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#1 ForTrent9

 
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:04 AM

well we have been gluten free for 3  weeks and  of a sudden he is home from school again with bad gas pains, gas that burns his  anus. He has loose bowel this a.m. and  cramps.  Celiac  blood  results  were  negative.

what  could be causing this?


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#2 GottaSki

 
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:19 AM

Welcome Trent's Mom or Dad?

 

Did he have a complete celiac antibody panel?

 

Total Serum IgA

tTG - IgA and IgG

EMA - IgA

DGP - IgA and IgG

 

Any nutrient testing?

 

Vitamins B1, B2, B6, B12, D, K, Iron, Ferritin, Copper, Zinc

 

Complete Blood Count (CBC) and Complete Metabolic Panel (CMP)?

 

Were you gluten-free or gluten light for any period of time before the celiac antibody tests?

 

Is it possible he is eating gluten at school or in a friend's home?

 

Hang in there -- not all children with Celiac Disease test positive -- dietary results are very important with kids -- try keeping a log of what he is eating along with any symptoms -- it really helps to find possible problem foods (even gluten-free processed foods can be problematic when newly gluten-free)


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-Lisa

Undiagnosed Celiac Disease ~ 43 years

3/26/09 gluten-free - dignosed celiac - blood 3/3/09, biopsy 3/26/09, double DQ2 / single DQ8 positive

10/25/13 - MCAD

Health history since celiac diagnosis became too long -- moved to the "about me" section of my profile

My children and I all have multiple copies of the genes for Celiac Disease, along with large variety of symptoms/resolution gluten-free

Current tally from me, three kids and two grands: 4 diagnosed with Celiac Disease, 2 NCGS

Get PROPERLY tested BEFORE REMOVING GLUTEN.

ALWAYS independently research health related information found on internet forums/blogs.

"LTES" a Gem :)


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:33 AM

I second Gottaski and Dairy always makes me have that burning feeling. Even small amounts of butter. But it could be a number of things.
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#4 ForTrent9

 
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 09:06 AM

Welcome Trent's Mom or Dad?

 

Did he have a complete celiac antibody panel?

 

Total Serum IgA

tTG - IgA and IgG

EMA - IgA

DGP - IgA and IgG

 

Any nutrient testing?

 

Vitamins B1, B2, B6, B12, D, K, Iron, Ferritin, Copper, Zinc

 

Complete Blood Count (CBC) and Complete Metabolic Panel (CMP)?

 

Were you gluten-free or gluten light for any period of time before the celiac antibody tests?

 

Is it possible he is eating gluten at school or in a friend's home?

 

Hang in there -- not all children with Celiac Disease test positive -- dietary results are very important with kids -- try keeping a log of what he is eating along with any symptoms -- it really helps to find possible problem foods (even gluten-free processed foods can be problematic when newly gluten-free)

Thank you, but the Dr. only tested D and Iron , CBC, Complete metabolic panel, celiac panel, and Thyroid.

We were on a light gluten free when testing with blood work. No , he is so afraid to consume Gluten so he is very disciplined about his food choices! Thank God!

Have you heard of enterolab? and what are your opinions? it cost alot, but I am interested!


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 09:15 AM

Thank you, but the Dr. only tested D and Iron , CBC, Complete metabolic panel, celiac panel, and Thyroid.
We were on a light gluten free when testing with blood work. No , he is so afraid to consume Gluten so he is very disciplined about his food choices! Thank God!
Have you heard of enterolab? and what are your opinions? it cost alot, but I am interested!



Doesn't matter what I think. See what Celiac experts think:

http://www.curecelia...erolab-or-cyrex

"Why don’t you recognize tests (stool tests or otherwise) for non-celiac gluten sensitivity that are currently available through companies like Enterolab or Cyrex?
We only embrace tests that have endured rigorous scientific evaluations. So far, these tests have received no evidence-based support.
Enterolab has never successfully published anything on the accuracy of stool tests (nor have any other stool test manufacturers, to our knowledge) making it difficult to confirm the research results. Because of this, we must make our decisions based on what has been published; Harvard, UCSD, and the American College of Gastroenterology all agree that stool tests are simply not sensitive or specific enough methods in screening for celiac disease.
We can say therefore with confidence that the test currently being used by these labs is not good enough. In fact, while it is true that about 40% of people with proven gluten sensitivity have elevated AGA-IgG, it is also true that about 15-25% of the healthy individuals who have absolutely nothing wrong also have elevated AGA-IgG. Hence, about 60% of gluten sensitive people do not have elevated AGA-IgG (making the test not sensitive enough); and about 20% of normal, non-gluten sensitive people have elevated AGA-IgG for no apparent reason (making the test not specific enough).
Further reading: “Detection of secretory IgA antibodies against gliadin and human tissue transglutaminase in stool to screen for coeliac disease in children: validation study” at BMJ.com"
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 01:18 PM

I agree with Karen's info, but have no direct experience with enterolab.

 

I believe our doctors can run all the tests necessary -- often they just don't order the correct ones.

 

Removing gluten or eating gluten light prior to celiac antibody tests can affect the results -- especially in children that don't always test strong possitive anyway.

 

If I didn't mention before -- three weeks is a very short time to be gluten-free.  You are all learning how to remove all gluten -- took our family at least three months to weed out all the sources of cross contamination in our kitchen and longer for my teens to remove it from their lives.


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-Lisa

Undiagnosed Celiac Disease ~ 43 years

3/26/09 gluten-free - dignosed celiac - blood 3/3/09, biopsy 3/26/09, double DQ2 / single DQ8 positive

10/25/13 - MCAD

Health history since celiac diagnosis became too long -- moved to the "about me" section of my profile

My children and I all have multiple copies of the genes for Celiac Disease, along with large variety of symptoms/resolution gluten-free

Current tally from me, three kids and two grands: 4 diagnosed with Celiac Disease, 2 NCGS

Get PROPERLY tested BEFORE REMOVING GLUTEN.

ALWAYS independently research health related information found on internet forums/blogs.

"LTES" a Gem :)


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 07:12 PM

what could be causing this

 

1. the tests aren't 100%

2. there's such a thing as non celiac gluten intolerance

3. some people get more sensitive after being off gluten for a while, which is proof that it's a real gluten problem

4. no matter what, sometimes you or a loved one gets cross contaminated by gluten, and you have to play "search and throw out" aka seek and destroy. 

5. a small percentage of us react to even gluten free oats, which is a nuisance.  others to soy flour or dairy.  dairy may be able to be added back in later, after healing.

6. writing down everything you eat, or at least when you add a new thing in, is a good way to keep track of reactions during the shakedown phase. 

7. gluten free labeling, at times, is not optimal in this country, and I can personally attest to having reacted to things labeled as such, while just by switching brands, to something sometimes not labeled but by a better manufacturer who isn't playing around with running production on shared lines with gluten ingredients, gets rid of the reaction. 

8. people will sometimes try to feed you what they think is gluten free snacks.... their kitchens are sort of not up to spec with the cross contamination issues....  if it ain't in a sealed package where you can study the ingredients, just gently refuse, if it is from a brand you don't do well with, thank them and just come up with another excuse that you can't eat "ingredient x" so you don't hurt their feelings.     Saves lots of reactions. 


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#8 ForTrent9

 
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 07:12 PM

Doesn't matter what I think. See what Celiac experts think:

http://www.curecelia...erolab-or-cyrex

"Why don’t you recognize tests (stool tests or otherwise) for non-celiac gluten sensitivity that are currently available through companies like Enterolab or Cyrex?
We only embrace tests that have endured rigorous scientific evaluations. So far, these tests have received no evidence-based support.
Enterolab has never successfully published anything on the accuracy of stool tests (nor have any other stool test manufacturers, to our knowledge) making it difficult to confirm the research results. Because of this, we must make our decisions based on what has been published; Harvard, UCSD, and the American College of Gastroenterology all agree that stool tests are simply not sensitive or specific enough methods in screening for celiac disease.
We can say therefore with confidence that the test currently being used by these labs is not good enough. In fact, while it is true that about 40% of people with proven gluten sensitivity have elevated AGA-IgG, it is also true that about 15-25% of the healthy individuals who have absolutely nothing wrong also have elevated AGA-IgG. Hence, about 60% of gluten sensitive people do not have elevated AGA-IgG (making the test not sensitive enough); and about 20% of normal, non-gluten sensitive people have elevated AGA-IgG for no apparent reason (making the test not specific enough).
Further reading: “Detection of secretory IgA antibodies against gliadin and human tissue transglutaminase in stool to screen for coeliac disease in children: validation study” at BMJ.com"

thanks!!!!
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 06:40 AM

Was he starting to feel better during the three weeks he was gluten free?  

 

I know we had very mild symptoms (none really, except behavior) before my son was diagnosed at age 5.  Now, if he gets "glutened" accidentally, he gets all kinds of sever GI issues.  He is much more sensitive after being gluten free.

 

If you think gluten is his problem (don't dismiss it just because of negative blood tests) keep him on the diet (try for 3 months).  I suspect he ate some on accident - maybe just from cross contamination.  

 

I had a similar problem in the early weeks of the diet change.  Turned out to me by B vitamin supplement.  It had gluten in it.

 

Cara


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