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Can You Be Intolerant To Things You Haven't Eaten Before?


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#1 lockerbear

 
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 11:28 PM

Hi! I'm just wondering if anyone here can help me out with this... many months ago i became gluten intolerant which lead to me becoming intolerant to other things like corn, soy, oats etc.. I eventually found out i have candida from my naturopath and have had to go on a terrible no sugar diet..

 

The naturopath helped me figure out food sensitivities using something called a biomeridian stress test and it seems to be fairly accurate, the foods that came up included all the foods I've mentioned and all grains except for rice and amaranth.. I find it a little strange though because I've never eaten millet or buckwheat before.. and they don't seem to have a relation to gluten at all since they are actually seeds :\ I didn't really care at first because I was still able to eat brown rice and amaranth so these are where my carb sources came from, but because of my huge lack of food on this candida diet I have now become intolerant to brown rice as I ate it daily instead of rotating it..

 

I really don't believe that in order to get rid of candida, you need to completely cut out carbs like most of the diets out there say, because I feel like I'm starving myself eating this way and my body cannot tolerate high amounts of meat and fat.. however I can't eat other kinds of carbs like potatoes because they are simple carbohydrates and create more sugar which feeds candida ARGH!!

 

I have been wanting to add more carbs into my diet and I am just wondering if it is even possible for me to be intolerant to things I haven't eaten before.. or at least not much.. because i would really like to be able to add things like buckwheat, millet and quinoa into my diet.. but I'm really scared of what will happen if i do and it turns out I'm intolerant :/ I hope someone can help me with this!


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 11:45 PM

You can, if the protein looks very similar to a protein you've eaten before your immune system will "see" it as the original problem. Worse yet your body can mistake your own cells as close enough to one of the proteins that's leaked through, that's how you develop Auto Immune disease.

 

Don't starve yourself to death, try and crowd out the candida with bacteria's (probiotics). Also you really should be on some kind of anti fungal drugs to help minimise it if possible.  Amphotericin b seems the best easy to get option.

 

I know you haven't had antibody testing but I think you have near enough to a classic leaky gut problem to follow classic therapy :).

 

The biggest problem for me isn't even the grain itself I've discovered it's the yeast that's growing on it.... My body doesn't know any difference between a yeast cell and a candida cell... big problem.

 

It doesn't take that long for your body to cut antibody numbers if it's no longer seeing the antigen. High calorie foods that don't feed candida (much) are potato and tuna (from a can soaked in oil) patties, I'm living on that the last few days. I seem to be able to eat unlimted potato without much consequences so long as I do my soy yoghurt with each meal and have the potatoes with a protein or fat. I don't know how skinny I'd be without potato... It's good stuff. I know a lot of people on here don't eat it but imho it's better than any grain even including rice which is the only half decent grain. So if you are thinking of adding other grains you haven't eaten before.. just don't and eat potato instead. That's my advice


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:04 AM

Thanks! Though I was hoping to hear something different.. :( I still find it weird though because I didn't think the "ancient grains" have similar protein structures to modern grains like wheat and I have barely eaten any of them at all.. if ever. My candida isn't out of control or anything, it was getting better even while eating a fair bit of rice, but my digestive system is screwed up in terms of not making enough enzymes and acid making me unable to tolerate any raw foods, red meat, or anything that hasn't been slow cooked or soaked or put into soups.. but I have finally found a diet that is working for that.. The only thing that is bothering me right now is that my body just doesn't want any carbs that are allowed on this diet! But i want carbs lol! I was finally starting to improve and devised a whole plan to get rid of this then bam! i have an intolerance to one of my main staple foods and feel like everything I've done has just gone straight out the window..

 

I have just started making my own probiotic foods and am waiting for them to ferment, I'm making kefir and saurkraut and am really hoping they make a difference, I''ve been taking a lot of supplements too to help the liver, immune system, digestive system, inflammation in the gut etc but i dunno.. I have now become terrified that anything I put in my mouth is going to cause a problem with either leaky gut or candida so i have so far starved myself all day :\ and am really scared about thinking of what to eat tomorrow..


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:37 AM

Throw probiotics into Soy milk! really. It only takes 8-12 hours in an esky of 35-40c water and you have a litre of the stuff LOADED with bacteria :). I bought a baby thermometer to check and keep the water the right temp. I just open the UHT carton and put the biotics in then screw the lid back on and sit it in the esky/cooler. 

 

I've got a factory going :) each carton is worth about 2000kj it's by far better than starving if you ask me. It'll make your stools gold standard within a few days too.

 

L. plantarum the biotic that grows on cabbage grows on soy too. it's just much faster on Soy. Actually I'm not even sure what cultures I'm growing anymore, I just ask my pregnant wife to smell them and if it makes her almost throw up I know they are loaded :D Candida really doesn't like bacteria so keep growing your stuff.


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#5 lockerbear

 
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 01:25 AM

thanks a lot for your advice! I unfortunately can't have soy milk cause it makes me sick though :( I was talking to this one girl who seems quite knowledgable about all this and i told her I've become intolerant to all grains and want to replace my carbs with legumes since they are complex carbohydrates.. and she told me if i don't eat grains I'm going to end up more sick later and i should continue eating them even though I am intolerant to them.. and also that i shouldn't eat legumes.. this is what mostly caused me to starve myself because i got so worried about not eating grains and not getting enough carbs and everything argh :( she said that i would feel sick eating things im intolerant to for now, but eventually I'll feel better.. so right now I'm confused and worried and hate all the conflicting advice that comes with this illness =\


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 01:46 AM

Potato breaks down into simple sugars the most quickly when it is mashed.  Can you try eating half a jacket potato (done in the microwave) every now and again.   It is much higher on the glycemic scale.  Same for sweet potato or yam, there's a lot of fiber and carbs there.  Root vegetables like rutabaga, parsnip and turnip, jicama, all these things have a lot of carbs and a lot of fiber too.   Raw carrots are better than cooked carrots You probably have to expand your food horizons a little :)

 

I had never eaten milllet, amaranth or quinoa, but did not tolerate any of them on first trial :blink: so yes, it's possible. 


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 01:57 AM

thanks so much! I'll try adding more root vegetables in.. And thanks for letting me know im not the only one to be randomly intolerant to those foods lol! I thought my gut was just going spaz


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 02:09 AM

I can't drink soy either (until it's cultured) things change then. Often even cow milk becomes digestible as yoghurt. +1 on parsnips and turnip. They are great, taste even better.

 

How much cabbage are you eating? that's something very good too.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 04:27 AM

Oh course you can be intolerant to things you've never eaten before.  I think you can even be allergic although some people claim otherwise.  When I was having chronic yeast infections, I tried an herb to help and noticed that each time I took it my lips got more and more numb.  I had a reaction the first time and I am pretty sure that I never had it before.

 

As for the Candida I have heard/read that the sugar free diet just won't work.  I remember my mom trying it back in the 60's. 

 

Have you tried Candex?  It really helped me.  I can't say for sure that I had Candida but I did seem to have yeast infections and even athlete's foot for a time.  Also fungal ear infections.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 05:17 AM

Foam - that's really interesting that culturing the soy makes it more digestible! I actually don't have problems with dairy strangely enough so at the moment I'm making dairy milk kefir and I'm happy it will help me get some calories! I just used up all my cabbage to make saurkraut so I'm gonna have it ready in a few days and probably eat it with every meal! I heard if you eat fermented foods with meals it will make digesting the food easier :)

 

Juliebove - thanks a lot for your letting me know your experiences :) I'm definitely not expecting the diet alone to  get rid of candida, but it's good to do in addition to all the other treatments I'm doing until I get better! I don't actually find the diet too bad, but my individual intolerances make it a lot more difficult :( I'll probably try something like candex after I improve a bit more


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 05:34 PM

I've read a research paper about bacteria in grains that suggested a good sour dough culture can do enough damage to the grains proteins that a true celiac can digest gluten that's been broken down by the bacteria. It changes things a lot. The only reason I'm not doing sour dough myself is because there's yeast growing in it also and I have antibodies against yeast that are causing my high eosoniphil levels.

 

I once saw a documentary about cultured soy and it's history in Asia, it was an amazing show. Some villages were fermenting Soy in balls for monnnnths years maybe in the ground and then eating them :). I wasn't even sick when I saw that show but it left a lasting impression on me and now that I need to know more about that stuff I wish I could see it again.

 

http://www.naturalne...hytic_acid.html

http://www.naturalne...d_soybeans.html

 

I've read those herbs mixes like Julie mentioned can really smash down candida, I haven't tried them myself yet. Will try drugs again first, since they are cheap :0


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