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#16 Gemini

 
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Posted 01 May 2013 - 07:08 AM

Soap is an excellent cleanser because of its ability to act as an emulsifying agent. An emulsifier is capable of dispersing one liquid into another immiscible liquid. This means that while oil (which attracts dirt) doesn't naturally mix with water, soap can suspend oil/dirt in such a way that it can be removed more efficiently than using just water.

 

It's also highly recommended to wash all your produce / vegetables with 'produce washes' to more effectively remove pesticide residues.  

  Produce washes, which I assume you are referring to the kind that you spray onto produce and then scrub and wash off, are citrus based.  I use them all the time to wash produce.  There is no soap in them at all because most people would gak over the thought of eating soap or soap residue on food.  The citrus acid in the wash will dissolve any waxes on fruit and wash away any nasties on the surface. 

 

As I have stated before, I am also extremely sensitive and have never used soap to wash anything I eat and haven't had any issues.  The vast majority of people who report a reaction to legumes are just having trouble breaking down the sugars in the legume.  This is why we have products like Beano on the market.  The reaction is the same as a gluten reaction.....gas, pain and even diarrhea.  You can also be intolerant of them and that may very well cause neuro symptoms in some. 


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#17 dilettantesteph

 
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Posted 01 May 2013 - 02:07 PM

It is my experience that soap works better to remove gluten than plain water.  I don't like the idea of eating soap, so I rinse well.  I don't get diarrhea from using soap, I prevent diarrhea by using soap.  It is important to rinse well until there is no soap remaining.  I am glad for the people who don't need to use soap to not suffer gluten reactions.  Those of us who do need to do what works for us.


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#18 IrishHeart

 
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Posted 01 May 2013 - 02:16 PM

And as always, this discussion (like all discussions on here) comes down to a personal decision to do what one may  "need", based on what makes someone have what they deem a "gluten reaction" from a food that does not inherently contain gluten.

 

 

We will all have to agree to disagree, I think.

 

And continue to take whatever precautions one deems necessary.

 

To each his/her own.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:20 AM

And as always, this discussion (like all discussions on here) comes down to a personal decision to do what one may  "need", based on what makes someone have what they deem a "gluten reaction" from a food that does not inherently contain gluten.

 

 

We will all have to agree to disagree, I think.

 

And continue to take whatever precautions one deems necessary.

 

To each his/her own.

I agree.  I  DON'T need to agree to disagree.  LOL

 

edited to add the don't that I thought I had put there to begin with.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:36 AM

I agree.  I  need to agree to disagree.  LOL

 

:lol:  well said.


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#21 dilettantesteph

 
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 06:21 AM

Maybe I should have said "I already agree to disagree."  I've really never had much difficulty with disagreeing in this situation.

 

It is very clear to me that celiacs vary and that what works for some does not work for all.  Not everyone needs to take the precautions that I take, and not everyone can eat the things that less sensitive ones can eat.

 

I don't remember your exact quote Irishheart.  Something like there isn't a one size fits all diet.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 08:29 AM

Maybe I should have said "I already agree to disagree."  I've really never had much difficulty with disagreeing in this situation.

 

It is very clear to me that celiacs vary and that what works for some does not work for all.  Not everyone needs to take the precautions that I take, and not everyone can eat the things that less sensitive ones can eat.

 

I don't remember your exact quote Irishheart.  Something like there isn't a one size fits all diet.

 

 

 I have said this disease is not a "one size fits all"---- in regards to symptoms, healing times, complications and various food intolerances.

I wish I were one of the ones who goes off gluten and "all's well in the land". Some of us take more time.


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"Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It's the way it is. The way we cope with it makes the difference." Virginia Satir

"The strongest of all warriors are these two - time and patience." Leo Tolstoy

"If you want to lift yourself up, lift up someone else" Booker T. Washington

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"Do or do not. There is no try. "-  Yoda.

"LTES"  Gem 2014

 

Misdiagnosed for 25+ years; Finally Diagnosed with Celiac  11/01/10.  Double DQ2 genes. This thing tried to kill me. I view Celiac as a fire breathing dragon --and I have run my sword right through his throat.
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:38 AM

That bean company doesn't seem to want to call me back or answer their phone :-/


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 06:56 PM

For what it's worth, I suggest getting a gluten-free testing kit and checking to see if your beans are safe after washing.  It's the only way to be sure.

 

Jane Anderson at About.com claims that washing (soap or no) does not really remove the gluten: http://celiacdisease...-Free-Beans.htm

 

I'm inclined to agree.  Most beans are not totally smooth surfaces, so some gluten bits are likely to cling despite washing, unless you are tumbling them in a rock polisher.  But if a few trace bits do cling after soaking and washing, and then you boil the beans, you are boiling all of it in glutened water.  I'm also worried that tiny amounts may gluten the water that the beans absorb when you soak them.  

 

Some people will do OK with washing, because either their beans really are gluten free, or the tiny bit of gluten isn't bothering them.  But you can't know until you test it yourself.

 

I have a bunch of dried beans from Rancho Gordo I got before being diagnosed, and I'm waiting for my gluten-free test kits to arrive before I dive back in.  In the meantime, Eden Foods tests their own beans and a subset of their beans (dry and canned) are certified gluten-free to 10 ppm: http://www.edenfoods...?articles_id=85  Nuts.com also claims some are gluten-free, but Jane Anderson says they aren't testing rigorously -- there may be some cc from harvesting.

 

I think that if you do OK with just washing beans, fantastic.  If you're still having problems, go for a certified option.  

 

(I know this is an old post, but I have beans on the mind right now, and others having problems may do searches and come across this.)


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 05:41 AM

I think that Jane Anderson was referring to low levels that will not be detected with your home tests.  You can contact her directly to see what she says.  That test doesn't detect oats either and wild oats seem to be a common weed, and you mentioned being sensitive to oats in another post.  You may be better off with gluten-free certification which can be to as low as 5 ppm gluten.  That way the company has received training on avoiding cc too.  That still won't help with the oat issue though.  I hope you can figure this out and feel better soon.


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 08:31 PM

Hi Dilettantsteph -- thanks for your reply.  I should clarify that I'm not posting here on this for me.  I'm posting this because a lot of folks online are suggesting just washing the beans to magically remove the gluten, while Jane Anderson is saying that trace amounts may remain.  I just want to point that out in case there are other sensitive folks like me out there wondering why they are sick.  I have a separate post (the one I linked to) on my own problems.  No one responded there and I suspect the sensitive folks don't check that forum too often.  But it's OK.  (You know, I actually did email Ms. Anderson on this a few weeks ago, but so far no reply.  Oh well. It's OK.)

 

Anyway, I think Jane Anderson meant that testing would still find the gluten:

 

However, informal experiments using home gluten testing kits show it's not that easy to get rid of the contamination — some seems to remain behind, despite your best scrubbing efforts.

The problem is, gluten is a very sticky molecule, and it's just not very responsive to washing. Friends who also happen to be scientists have experimented with this, and have found you can lessen — although not eliminate — the gluten cross-contamination in beans by washing them repeatedly in water with dish soap, and then rinsing.

http://celiacdisease...race-Gluten.htm

Sounds like her scientist friends are actually doing the ELISA test here to confirm results. I ordered some of those tests and some certified gluten-free Eden Food canned beans, and I suggest anyone eating beans from any source other than one where they know how it was harvested (their own garden or a small farmers' they have spoken to) do the same, and not rely on just washing.


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