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Anyone With Second Endoscopy After Going gluten-free ?


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#1 PersianCeliac

 
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 06:11 AM

my aunt had her follow up endoscopy recently after one year gluten free and a biopsy sample was taken
she was diagnosed witj celiac after having symptoms for 16 years and her initial endoscopy showed scalloping in all three parts of duodenum and her biopsy showed severe atrophy marsh 3C. now after 1 year gluten free strictly her endoscopy shows first part of duodenum is now normal but second and third parts still still show scalloping which is a sign of villous atrophy we are now waotong for biopsy results. i was wondering if anyone had a similar experience or how long it took for ypur intestine to heal ? i am worried that she still has damage even on endoscopy after one year gluten-free.
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#2 GottaSki

 
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 06:18 AM

I've had four annual endoscopies.  The first three showed NO improvement -- the last finally showed minor improvement -- I went undiagnosed for decades, but my celiac doctor was surprised by what he saw each year.

 

How does your aunt feel?  

 

Has she had a subsequent celiac antibody panel to make sure she isn't accidentally ingesting gluten - this can happen sometimes with medications, etc.  

 

Have her symptoms improved? If so, I wouldn't worry about the damage for now -- stay as gluten-free as possible in this world and have another endoscopy after another year or more of healing.


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 06:32 AM

I've had four annual endoscopies.  The first three showed NO improvement -- the last finally showed minor improvement -- I went undiagnosed for decades, but my celiac doctor was surprised by what he saw each year.
 
How does your aunt feel?  
 
Has she had a subsequent celiac antibody panel to make sure she isn't accidentally ingesting gluten - this can happen sometimes with medications, etc.  
 
Have her symptoms improved? If so, I wouldn't worry about the damage for now -- stay as gluten-free as possible in this world and have another endoscopy after another year or more of healing.


thank you for the reply. my aunt had diarrhea all the time and after going gluten free for only weeks thw diarrhea went away and sje started gaining weight which she was never able to do. her follow up blood work is all normal
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#4 GottaSki

 
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 08:25 AM

thank you for the reply. my aunt had diarrhea all the time and after going gluten free for only weeks thw diarrhea went away and sje started gaining weight which she was never able to do. her follow up blood work is all normal

 

Then I wouldn't worry -- just keep living gluten-free and healing will happen.


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-Lisa

Undiagnosed Celiac Disease ~ 43 years

3/26/09 gluten-free - dignosed celiac - blood 3/3/09, biopsy 3/26/09, double DQ2 / single DQ8 positive

10/25/13 - MCAD

Health history since celiac diagnosis became too long -- moved to the "about me" section of my profile

My children and I all have multiple copies of the genes for Celiac Disease, along with large variety of symptoms/resolution gluten-free

Current tally from me, three kids and two grands: 4 diagnosed with Celiac Disease, 2 NCGS

Get PROPERLY tested BEFORE REMOVING GLUTEN.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 05:25 AM

She may need a more careful diet.  Does she eat a lot of processed foods?  My son's last endoscopy was negative, but he eats very few processed foods.


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 05:30 AM

I'm just reading this article: http://www.medscape....warticle/779873

 

It says: "Refractory coeliac disease (RCD) is currently defined by persistent symptoms and signs of malabsorption after gluten exclusion for 12 months with ongoing intestinal villous atrophy."

 

To me, that looks like they expect you to be healed after 12 months.  

 

This article talks about a gluten contamination free diet for non responsive celiac patients: http://www.biomedcen.../13/40/abstract


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#7 GottaSki

 
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Posted 15 April 2013 - 06:19 AM

My samples were checked and rechecked by UCSD and Mayo and it was determined I never had Refractory Celiac Disease - although it sure felt like it for a very long time.  I even thought they were wrong at one point -- turns out they were right -- for those of us with severe damage from decades of undiagnosed celiac disease it can take much more than one year to heal.

 

I do agree that whole foods, nothing processed is the best way to heal the small intestine.


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-Lisa

Undiagnosed Celiac Disease ~ 43 years

3/26/09 gluten-free - dignosed celiac - blood 3/3/09, biopsy 3/26/09, double DQ2 / single DQ8 positive

10/25/13 - MCAD

Health history since celiac diagnosis became too long -- moved to the "about me" section of my profile

My children and I all have multiple copies of the genes for Celiac Disease, along with large variety of symptoms/resolution gluten-free

Current tally from me, three kids and two grands: 4 diagnosed with Celiac Disease, 2 NCGS

Get PROPERLY tested BEFORE REMOVING GLUTEN.

ALWAYS independently research health related information found on internet forums/blogs.

"LTES" a Gem :)


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 07:05 AM

My first biopsy at the time of diagnosis showed major damage. It was visible to the doctor.

 

A second examination and biopsy about five years later showed normal, healthy intestines and villi.


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#9 Gemini

 
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 11:56 AM

One year is not very long to heal, especially if you went a long time before diagnosis.  It took me 3 years before every symptom went away completely, even though my blood work was stellar after one year gluten free.  If your aunt's entire small intestine was damaged, it will take quite awhile to heal but she shouldn't be worried about it.  This is the norm for many of us.

Refractory sprue is extremely uncommon and usually occurs in people who were never diagnosed until it's too late or they aren't following the diet well.  Your aunt is gaining weight, which is wonderful and a sign of healing. She just needs more time for the rest of her small intestine to catch up.

 

As far as the theory that many gluten-free foods are contaminated with gluten, I don't buy into that.  I am sure there are some but if all this gluten-free processed food were so contaminated, there would be very few of us who would heal.  The key is moderation in anything you do. So, your aunt shouldn't be afraid to eat a brownie......no one should!  :)


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