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#1 UnhappyCoeliac

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 03:03 AM

Does that mean us?

When referring to a new super strain of flu. I've always wondered are they talking to me? Sadly I get sick all the time mostly from a train carriage full of people :(

Should I get the flu vaccine? It's free in Australia.


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 05:10 AM

If you get the flu vaccine make sure you know what is in it.  I saw on the website of the Center for Disease Control http://www.cdc.gov/v...n/additives.htm Thimerosal (mercury) is in it..  They also list fermeldahyde as a possible ingredient in vaccines.    They have a list of each specific vaccine and its contents. 

 

I don't get vaccines  I read the label and consider whether this is for my best health or not.  Just as I would anything I put into my mouth...  I take my health seriously and do follow a careful diet, garden, and exercise. 

 

. You can find literature with each vaccination box.  You Physician should be able to give the list to you as you consider what is in the vaccine.  You may find some surprises if you look carefully into what each ingredient is.

 

 

I found evidence .on the center for Disease Control that abortion materials are  in some vaccines.  I copied the ingredients for Adenovirus. PSAWYER just pointed out that this is not the flu.It is an example of the ingredients in one vaccine:  The adenovirus vaccine.

 

 

sucrose, D-mannose, D-fructose, dextrose, potassium phosphate, plasdone C, anhydrous lactose, micro crystalline cellulose, polacrilin potassium, magnesium stearate, cellulose acetate phthalate, alcohol, acetone, castor oil, FD&C Yellow #6 aluminum lake dye, human serum albumin, fetal bovine serum, sodium bicarbonate, human-diploid fibroblast cell cultures (WI-38), Dulbecco’s Modified Eagle’s Medium

To clarify it is the human-dipoid  cell cultures which I believe are from an aborted fetus.  I have discussed this with a few medical doctors and they did not deny it.

 

Incase you need a to find out what a human diploid cell is I went here to find out about it.http://www.ncbi.nlm....C377233/?page=1  I believe these cells are also called stem cells.

 

I am sorry that I did not fully support this at first.  My wording, I thought, was stronger than it should have been.  I would not have picked this fight here on the forum, but forgot that it was not common knowledge.  I hope that you will forgive this.  I also hope that I have fully supported my position with credible sources.

 

I previously said that there is human ingredients in the vaccine, but I meant some vaccines and now have revised it to be more correct.   I am sorry it was necessary to make this change but my edits have been intended to make the information that I shared more accurate.  I cannot share which vaccines are flu, because I do not know.  I did, however, refer to the CDC for all to check the ingredients.

 

I am perfectly willing to rewrite this with just the link to read the lists of ingredients and a caution to do so if that will be acceptable.  I hesitate to do it now, because some have replied to it and I cannot change those.

 

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 05:12 AM

If you get the flu vaccine make sure you know what is in it.  I don't get them because they put in mercury, fermeldahide, and materials derived from abortions.  I take my health seriously and do follow a careful diet, garden, and exercise.  One can find out what they contain by visiting (USA) the Center for Disease Control Website.



Can you post a link for this, please?
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Posted 12 May 2013 - 05:13 AM

The University of Chicago Celiac Center says its fine for us to get the flu shot.

http://www.curecelia...u&submit=Search
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Posted 12 May 2013 - 05:46 AM

If you are continueing to get glutened, which is the impression I got from another of your posts, your body is going to be so busy fighting the gluten that it won't be able to fight off other stuff.  I have worked in schools and with the public for years and I used to catch everything that was going around pre gluten free but very rarely get ill now. That may off course not be the case for you.

Do what you can to prevent picking up these 'bugs'. Wash your hands a lot and keep them away from your face as much as you can. Hopefully your body will be better able to fight off communicable illnesses once it has healed from gluten.

As far as getting a flu shot talk to your doctor about any concerns you have and then make a decision on whether or not to get one.


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 05:49 AM

If you are continueing to get glutened, which is the impression I got from another of your posts, your body is going to be so busy fighting the gluten that it won't be able to fight off other stuff.  I have worked in schools and with the public for years and I used to catch everything that was going around pre gluten free but very rarely get ill now. That may off course not be the case for you.
Do what you can to prevent picking up these 'bugs'. Wash your hands a lot and keep them away from your face as much as you can. Hopefully your body will be better able to fight off communicable illnesses once it has healed from gluten.
As far as getting a flu shot talk to your doctor about any concerns you have and then make a decision on whether or not to get one.

 
Yeah I am battling never getting Gluten-Free for more than 4 days at the moment so yeah my body is busy battling gluten. I think it's probably wise I get it!


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 06:28 AM

I won't get into an argument here on the intelligence of mercury in vaccines, but with one exception it is only in multidose vials as a preservative and can be easily avoided by simply requesting a prefilled syringe injection. As for other preservatives, anyone can contact doctors and pharmacies in their area and see which brand is available and if it is prefilled or not and then go look up the ingredients.

http://www.cdc.gov/f...ne/vaccines.htm

 

Only one company uses mammalian cells to make their flu shots, and they use animal cells. Still, it is quite frankly a huge leap forward to have the shot available to people with egg allergies. I did also see that there is a new insect based one that was approved just this year.

http://www.cdc.gov/f.../cell-based.htm

http://thechart.blog...pe-of-flu-shot/

 

The shots are safe for us and soon should be more readily available for people with egg allergies also. This is good news. Many of us have been sick for a long time and are frankly sick of being sick. If a simple shot can save me from the flu, I'll do it.


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 08:00 AM

 
Yeah I am battling never getting Gluten-Free for more than 4 days at the moment so yeah my body is busy battling gluten. I think it's probably wise I get it!

It sounds like you are one of us for whom gluten is addictive. You have to beat this! Your life and quality of life depend on it. It is hard and you may go through a form of withdrawl. We are here to help in any way we can. You can do it!


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"I will try again tommorrow" (Mary Anne Radmacher)


celiac 49 years - Misdiagnosed for 45
Blood tested and repeatedly negative
Diagnosed by Allergist with elimination diet and diagnosis confirmed by GI in 2002
Misdiagnoses for 15 years were IBS-D, ataxia, migraines, anxiety, depression, fibromyalgia, parathesias, arthritis, livedo reticularis, hairloss, premature menopause, osteoporosis, kidney damage, diverticulosis, prediabetes and ulcers, dermatitis herpeformis
All bold resoved or went into remission with proper diagnosis of Celiac November 2002
Some residual nerve damage remains as of 2006- this has continued to resolve after eliminating soy in 2007

Mother died of celiac related cancer at 56
Twin brother died as a result of autoimmune liver destruction at age 15

Children 2 with Ulcers, GERD, Depression, , 1 with DH, 1 with severe growth stunting (male adult 5 feet)both finally diagnosed Celiac through blood testing and 1 with endo 6 months after Mom


Positive to Soy and Casien also Aug 2007

Gluten Sensitivity Gene Test Aug 2007
HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 1 0303

HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 2 0303

Serologic equivalent: HLA-DQ 3,3 (Subtype 9,9)

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 11:15 AM

If you get the flu vaccine make sure you know what is in it.  I don't get them because they put in mercury, fermeldahide, and materials derived from abortions.  I take my health seriously and do follow a careful diet, garden, and exercise.  One can find out what they contain by visiting (USA) the Center for Disease Control Website.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 11:33 AM

Provide evidence to support this allegation, or withdraw it. Rule 5.

Thank you, I couldn't type, my jaw fell onto the keyboard.


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 11:55 AM

Pre-existing conditions: Illness disease or treatment that may result in danger from taking the flu vaccine. This changes depending on which vaccine you receive. Go to: http://www.cdc.gov/v...ld-not-vacc.htm and scroll down for each vaccine.

If you have a milder condition, discuss with you doctor the risks of getting vaccinated and weigh those with the risks of getting sick. 36,000 people die each year from the flu.  


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 02:51 PM

Since going on the gluten-free diet, I find that I don't get AS sick as I used to.  I still seem to catch colds but I don't end up with fevers for days on end or secondary bronchitis or sinus infections. It could just be a coincidence that I don't get as sick now that I'm gluten-free, but I doubt it.

 

If you are having a tough time staying gluten-free, and have found the flu shot works for you in the past, I would get it. It's always good to have that healthy edge.

 

I am one of those people who tends to get sick for a week every time I get the flu shot so I gave up on them; I actually seemed to get sick less when I skip the shot. Instead I use homeopathy flu "vaccines". It works for me, whether it is the placebo affect or not, but I know it's not for everyone.

 

Good luck, and best wishes getting the gluten out of your life.


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 06:32 PM

Can you post a link for this, please?

.  Sorry, I forgot that this wasn't common knowledge, I have discussed it with several doctors and a person that used to work in a vaccine lab.  Please see my amended post for a link to the Center for Disease Controls ingredients of vaccines lists.  .

 

http://www.cdc.gov/v...n/additives.htm  You can find what ingredients are in these vaccines by visiting this sight.  Look for a list which shows the specifics for each vaccine.  Also, they have a general list of some of the ingredients.

 

 

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 07:21 PM

First, there is not one "flu shot". It varies from one year to the next depending on which strains of flu are going around. Some years more than one shot is needed if a strain is recognized later than usual.

Then, some vaccines use live virus weakened to a point that can not cause sickness but will cause the body to produce antibodies. Other vaccines do not use live virus. 

Some vaccines are not injections, but tablets or nasal sprays.

Further, people with egg allergy can not take some vaccines but eggs are not used in all vaccines.

All these things are listed on package inserts and can be found on several websites by searching "influenza vaccine package insert".

If anyone decides not to get the flu vaccine, they should avoid contact with people who could be put in danger by the spread of the flu. Unvaccinated persons may be carriers, causing illness or death in "at risk" populations, small children, the elderly, pregnant women, people with compromised immune systems and chronic illnesses to name a few. 


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Posted 13 May 2013 - 05:50 AM

Provide evidence to support this allegation, or withdraw it. Rule 5.

I failed to support this well at first.  I was rather strong for the audience.  Please forgive this and I did post some links now for people to look into the ingredients for themselves.

 

Get healthy, stay healthy.

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