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Hello!:) I am new to this website.  I think it would be nice to have people I can talk to about this that will actually understand.

 

I am the only person in my family that has been diagnosed with Celiac Disease and it has been quite a ride.  I am almost 20 years old (now a sophomore in college) and my parents just don't quite understand how this whole thing works.  Has anyone ever told you that having just a little bit of gluten wouldn't be so bad? And you look at them like they have totally lost their minds? haha then you understand my problem!

 

I am constantly surrounded by foods that I love but can't eat in my house.  My favorite cereal and ice cream are currently in our kitchen now, along with nutrigrain bars, crackers, soups, pasta, pizza, cookies, and so on.  In the very bottom of our fridge we have a few apples... and that is basically the only thing I can eat in this house.  We also go out to eat quite often and that is also always a struggle.  

 

I don't have any support from my family and friends.  My mom has even been critical about my gaining weight since going gluten-free.  I want her to understand how difficult it has been since being diagnosed (around 1 1/2 years ago) and how my body is still really out of whack. 

 

On top of this my stomach still isn't fairing well.  It isn't nearly as bad as it what while eating gluten, but I still have to constantly go to the bathroom after meals and I still bloat like crazy which makes me really uncomfortable.  The only things that have really changed are that I don't get crazy migraines anymore (thank goodness!) and my body doesn't always ache.

 

I am also CRAVING everything I can't have like crazy recently.  So bad that I might even slip up and that scares me.  Why am I craving so much?!

 

Does anyone else deal with all of this? How do you guys cope with the lonely celiac life? 

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What's wrong with your mom?  All she has for you to eat are apples?  I'm the mom of a 20 year old boy and I can't imagine not trying to help him with his health issues and making sure he has good, safe food to eat.

 

But...you are 20, so I guess you could offer to do the grocery shopping and cooking until you go back to school?  I think your mom should fund the grocery shopping trip.  You don't have to buy expensive "gluten-free" products.  Get chicken and beans and cheese (if you eat that), hamburgers (yours without the bun), eggs, ice cream without cookies in it, etc.

 

 Can you get your mom to read on here?  Tell her I don't understand how she has a child diagnosed with a very real disease and she won't help her child.

 

Maybe she will read this?

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Your cravings might be a sign that  you need more nutrition? There is an introductory 101 thread in the very top of this board by IrishHeart. It is very good reading. Lots of information about our needs and the learning curve we go through while healing.

 

 

Welcome to the forum, nice to meet you :-)

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What's wrong with your mom?  All she has for you to eat are apples?  I'm the mom of a 20 year old boy and I can't imagine not trying to help him with his health issues and making sure he has good, safe food to eat.

 

But...you are 20, so I guess you could offer to do the grocery shopping and cooking until you go back to school?  I think your mom should fund the grocery shopping trip.  You don't have to buy expensive "gluten-free" products.  Get chicken and beans and cheese (if you eat that), hamburgers (yours without the bun), eggs, ice cream without cookies in it, etc.

 

 Can you get your mom to read on here?  Tell her I don't understand how she has a child diagnosed with a very real disease and she won't help her child.

 

Maybe she will read this?

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Mothers usually come around once they've seen how serious we are about the matter. They are very sceptical in the beginning because the condition seems  unreal to them. I wish there was an effective way of educating people without having to go through the same conversation with everyone and sounding like a broken record.. and that doesn't require convincing them to go read about it.

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What's wrong with your mom?  All she has for you to eat are apples?  I'm the mom of a 20 year old boy and I can't imagine not trying to help him with his health issues and making sure he has good, safe food to eat.

 

But...you are 20, so I guess you could offer to do the grocery shopping and cooking until you go back to school?  I think your mom should fund the grocery shopping trip.  You don't have to buy expensive "gluten-free" products.  Get chicken and beans and cheese (if you eat that), hamburgers (yours without the bun), eggs, ice cream without cookies in it, etc.

 

 Can you get your mom to read on here?  Tell her I don't understand how she has a child diagnosed with a very real disease and she won't help her child.

 

Maybe she will read this?

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Thank you for replying!  My dad is actually the one who does the grocery shopping, but my mom is the one who makes the shopping list.  Sometimes I go with my dad (if I am home) shopping so that I can put stuff in the cart that I can eat.  My mom always says that she shouldn't have to make things "special" for me.  As in if she is going to make mac-n-cheese or spaghetti, then she will make it how she likes it and I can either eat it (and feel like I'm dying) or scrounge up something else to eat.  I don't even really expect her to do anything "special" for me now (I used to, but she makes me feel selfish), but just buying a variety of fruits and vegetables would suffice.

 

I live off of sandwich meat, cheese, chex gluten-free cereal, carrots, and apples basically.  If I could just have a few more selections to choose from my life would be MUCH easier!

 

Now when I am away at school it is a much different story.  There's always something I can eat there and the food services take care of my needs:)

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Now when I am away at school it is a much different story.  There's always something I can eat there and the food services take care of my needs:)

Tell your parents - I think its really sad that a bunch of strangers care about their daughter and her health more than they do. Maybe a kick in the behind will get them to think?

You don't happen to go to Colorado State, do you? I could introduce you to my son........ :)

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Tell your parents - I think its really sad that a bunch of strangers care about their daughter and her health more than they do. Maybe a kick in the behind will get them to think?

You don't happen to go to Colorado State, do you? I could introduce you to my son........ :)

I will talk to them about, although there is a 99% chance that they won't really care, but I suppose it is worth a shot!  If nothing changes though, at least I only have another month before fall semester begins!

 

I go to Mississippi College actually:) It's been a really great experience!  I hope your son is enjoying Colorado State! 

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I will talk to them about, although there is a 99% chance that they won't really care, but I suppose it is worth a shot! If nothing changes though, at least I only have another month before fall semester begins!

I go to Mississippi College actually:) It's been a really great experience! I hope your son is enjoying Colorado State!

I know your a little young, but....do they realize that untreated Celiac often effects a daughter's ability to give them grand kids?

I'm sooooo sorry your parents don't care. If you were diagnosed with diabetes or cancer, would they care? Celiac is a real autoimmune disease.

We have lots of Mom's on here and a few Dads, so you can have some extra parents here.

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I can't even begin to imagine treating my own children this way. It makes me sick to think a mother could be like that.

 

My best advice is that since cooking is an important life skill for anyone, you should probably offer to cook dinner a few times a week. Nothing fancy, and you can get ideas from the dinner thread. https://www.celiac.com/forums/topic/75238-the-whats-for-dinner-tonight-chat/page-437 There are plenty of naturally gluten free things to make wonderful meals. Maybe seeing that meals can be "normal" and delicious and safe for you will make a difference.

 

And hey, at least summer vacation is half over right? Don't throw anything at me! :ph34r:

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I know your a little young, but....do they realize that untreated Celiac often effects a daughter's ability to give them grand kids?

I'm sooooo sorry your parents don't care. If you were diagnosed with diabetes or cancer, would they care? Celiac is a real autoimmune disease.

We have lots of Mom's on here and a few Dads, so you can have some extra parents here.

I bet they would care a little bit more if I had diabetes or cancer!  I think it is just because Celiac is still sort of a "new" thing to society.  My parents never heard of it growing up and now that their daughter has been diagnosed with it, I am sure they just don't know what to think.

In my mother's defense (not really...) she is so busy taking care of my high-maintenance little brother that often times she just doesn't want to deal with my issues.

Not an excuse really, but I can see her struggle.

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I can't even begin to imagine treating my own children this way. It makes me sick to think a mother could be like that.

 

My best advice is that since cooking is an important life skill for anyone, you should probably offer to cook dinner a few times a week. Nothing fancy, and you can get ideas from the dinner thread. https://www.celiac.com/forums/topic/75238-the-whats-for-dinner-tonight-chat/page-437 There are plenty of naturally gluten free things to make wonderful meals. Maybe seeing that meals can be "normal" and delicious and safe for you will make a difference.

 

And hey, at least summer vacation is half over right? Don't throw anything at me! :ph34r:

That is really great advice! This past year I have learned to cook a multitude of gluten-free HEALTHY meals and snacks, as well as some much needed desserts! Our kitchen just isn't stocked for me to cook most of it.  I have gotten her to agree to eat gluten-free spaghetti noodles though! So i guess we're moving in the right direction:)

 

And while most 20 year olds are sad about summer being over, I am the weird nerdy girl who loves college and taking classes! So I agree; at least summer is over half way through! :D

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I bet they would care a little bit more if I had diabetes or cancer! I think it is just because Celiac is still sort of a "new" thing to society. My parents never heard of it growing up and now that their daughter has been diagnosed with it, I am sure they just don't know what to think.

In my mother's defense (not really...) she is so busy taking care of my high-maintenance little brother that often times she just doesn't want to deal with my issues.

Not an excuse really, but I can see her struggle.

She has had him tested, hasn't she? All first degree relatives should be tested. Bad behaviors can be a symptom of Celiac in kids.

I'll be back with the link for his doctor.

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Ah, well, its hard.

 

I agree going and getting food that you can eat. Find things that you like that replace that. For example, when i'm around pizza, I often go get myself a large apple with peanut butter or i make my own pasta dish. I certainly miss a lot of foods, but you will find things that replace them.

 

I would also suggest to try and ignore the comments. Sometimes people cannot see what is not physical (as opposed to your example where they can see it and relate to it as they have heard of it). Perhaps printing out some studies done on celiac will help?

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Have you sat down with your parents and asked them how they feel about your disease? The reason I ask this because they may be in denial. They may not want to realize that something is wrong with their daughter, especially when there are genetic links. They may feel guilty because they feel responsible for you being sick. I know it's silly but I've seen many parents do this with children of autism and diabetes.

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Now I have read your blog on here, I understand your parents better. You haven't actually been diagnosed with Celiac Disease. You cut out gluten and felt better, but without any help from a doctor. To your parents, this is probably a lot like you deciding to be a vegetarian - it's a choice.

Could you have Celiac disease? Definitely. Or it could be Non-Celiac Gluten Intolerance. You feel better gluten-free and that's a good thing. But I now understand why your parents are not very concerned. To them its just a fad or a whim.

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I keep getting interrupted.

Even without a diagnosis, if it made my kid feel better, I would help him. My oldest has discovered that something in normal cheap shampoos make his skin itch. He has no diagnosis but I buy him the expensive stuff because he says it makes him feel better.

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Hello! :) I am new to this website.  I think it would be nice to have people I can talk to about this that will actually understand.

 

I am the only person in my family that has been diagnosed with Celiac Disease and it has been quite a ride.  I am almost 20 years old (now a sophomore in college) and my parents just don't quite understand how this whole thing works.  Has anyone ever told you that having just a little bit of gluten wouldn't be so bad? And you look at them like they have totally lost their minds? haha then you understand my problem!

 

I am constantly surrounded by foods that I love but can't eat in my house.  My favorite cereal and ice cream are currently in our kitchen now, along with nutrigrain bars, crackers, soups, pasta, pizza, cookies, and so on.  In the very bottom of our fridge we have a few apples... and that is basically the only thing I can eat in this house.  We also go out to eat quite often and that is also always a struggle.  

 

I don't have any support from my family and friends.  My mom has even been critical about my gaining weight since going gluten-free.  I want her to understand how difficult it has been since being diagnosed (around 1 1/2 years ago) and how my body is still really out of whack. 

 

On top of this my stomach still isn't fairing well.  It isn't nearly as bad as it what while eating gluten, but I still have to constantly go to the bathroom after meals and I still bloat like crazy which makes me really uncomfortable.  The only things that have really changed are that I don't get crazy migraines anymore (thank goodness!) and my body doesn't always ache.

 

I am also CRAVING everything I can't have like crazy recently.  So bad that I might even slip up and that scares me.  Why am I craving so much?!

 

Does anyone else deal with all of this? How do you guys cope with the lonely celiac life? 

I am in the same position as you! I'm 20 and was diagnosed about a year and a half ago. My parents have come around, but at first my dad got personally offended when I wouldn't "just try" something with gluten in it, and my mom thought I was so rude for not eating food with gluten that she made. I feel your pain. I have been struggling with weight gain too, and I recently went completely insane and went to every single fast food place and ate all the gluten possible for about a week. It has been easier since I moved out of my parents house and buy my own food because bread isn't always staring me in the face. 

I still have some stomach issues but they have improved A TON after I gave up dairy, which is another added restriction but it was definitely worth it. I lost about 10 pounds and I don't bloat nearly as much any more. Can you go shopping for your own groceries? That would probably help a lot! 

I cant imagine having no support though :(

I have found that replacement gluten products are not the best and almost every time they leave me crying over my food and how much I miss the gluten. So I just try to eat dishes that are gluten free to begin with like meat and potatoes, and fruits and vegetables. 

 

I tried to take it as an opportunity to get healthier and that really has been a blessing. I eat a ton of fruit which helps with my cravings and it helps with weight loss too. Eating out is a particular challenge that I haven't gotten used to. I was always the girl who never made any trouble for the waitress and now I have to drill them with questions about what I can eat and even then, they think I'm rude or just making a big deal out of nothing. 

 

I'm sorry I don't have many suggestions, I just feel the same way and am really struggling with this disease. 

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Oops! I left out a part in my blog then sorry!

I was diagnosed with gluten intolerance probably 8 months ago. This past summer I forced my mom to let me go to the doctor again because I had totally stopped eating due to being nauseous every time I took a bite of my food. It turns out I had some bacterial imbalance in my stomach but they checked for Celiac in my blood work and so I was officially diagnosed a month ago. However, I had already been eating gluten free and assumed I had it long before this so I usually just say 1 1/2 years.

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Were you diagnosed with celiac even though you were already gluten-free?

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Were you diagnosed with celiac even though you were already gluten-free?

Yes.  I heard the blood tests wouldn't come back positive if I wasn't eating gluten, but my doctor seemed sure it would still work.

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I am in the same position as you! I'm 20 and was diagnosed about a year and a half ago. My parents have come around, but at first my dad got personally offended when I wouldn't "just try" something with gluten in it, and my mom thought I was so rude for not eating food with gluten that she made. I feel your pain. I have been struggling with weight gain too, and I recently went completely insane and went to every single fast food place and ate all the gluten possible for about a week. It has been easier since I moved out of my parents house and buy my own food because bread isn't always staring me in the face. 

I still have some stomach issues but they have improved A TON after I gave up dairy, which is another added restriction but it was definitely worth it. I lost about 10 pounds and I don't bloat nearly as much any more. Can you go shopping for your own groceries? That would probably help a lot! 

I cant imagine having no support though :(

I have found that replacement gluten products are not the best and almost every time they leave me crying over my food and how much I miss the gluten. So I just try to eat dishes that are gluten free to begin with like meat and potatoes, and fruits and vegetables. 

 

I tried to take it as an opportunity to get healthier and that really has been a blessing. I eat a ton of fruit which helps with my cravings and it helps with weight loss too. Eating out is a particular challenge that I haven't gotten used to. I was always the girl who never made any trouble for the waitress and now I have to drill them with questions about what I can eat and even then, they think I'm rude or just making a big deal out of nothing. 

 

I'm sorry I don't have many suggestions, I just feel the same way and am really struggling with this disease. 

Hi!:) Thank you for sharing! I'm glad you understand how it feels to be so young and have to deal with all of this.

I messed up today and ate fried chicken... and gravy... and a teensy bit of mac-n-cheese.  Needless to say I feel pretty bad right now! (that mac-n-cheese might have been worth it though ;)

 

Replacement gluten-free foods are often loaded with extra sugar and starch, I've discovered, which isn't helping my weight gain problem.  I've laid off going out and buying that stuff and started sticking to natural fruits and vegetables too.

 

I have been considering giving up dairy also! Part of me feels like I need to get this gluten-free thing down though before I embark on that adventure.  We shall see.  I am glad it has worked so well for you!  I am hoping that it will work the same way for me.

 

And I totally understand about the going out to eat thing.  People think I'm crazy, but there's a rare few that actually care about my condition and want to help me out.  Those people get really nice tips;)

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Were you diagnosed with celiac even though you were already gluten-free?

Yes I was

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Welcome Lexi!

 

Sorry to hear you are having such a tough time at home -- Karen is right....there are quite a few parents on this forum who will try to help....me included.

 

I agree with making a real effort to help or take over the shopping while on your break.

 

Offer to cook just one family dinner per week, maybe two.  If that goes well more until you return to school.  Starting with one should be easy enough for you and a nice break for your Mom. 

 

Sometimes us parents tend to view our young adult kids as children -- I am guilty of this.

 

That being said, your whole family needs to be tested.  If you have suggested this before....try again...prepare a dinner conversation as you would prepare a presentation at school.  Use handouts...be sure to re-visit the past two years of your realization that you have Celiac Disease -- am a bit confused about your diagnosis process -- but whether it is Celiac Disease or NCGS you need to be gluten free and there is a real possibility your brother or parents may need to be as well.

 

It may not seem fair...but living the way you are is not fun and certainly not good for your health.

 

Make a plan....present the facts to your family in a clear concise manner...things may get better.

 

If not...make sure you are along for the shopping missions or minimally add to your Dad's shopping list:  chicken, pork, ground beef or turkey, rice, potato, gluten-free pasta, specific fruits and veggies you need purchased and then proceed to eat right for you.  Most processed foods labeled gluten-free are much more expensive and not great for a healthful diet -- so fill that frig with whole food -- adding a few labeled gluten-free items as treats.  There are many mainstream "treats" that are naturally gluten-free - I'm guessing you know many of them from eating away at school.

 

Oh for that first dinner...simply baked chicken with salt and pepper, rice and a vegetable is easy to make even if you have never cooked before...pop back in if you need step by step instructions.

 

Hang in there :)

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Yes I was

 

This is very interesting. May I ask how the doc went about diagnosing you?

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Sorry to hear about your parents not being understanding! My hubby is the same way. Altho I di the shopping, but on the weekends he likes to cook! He is Mr. Noodle man! He loves his Noodles! Anyway we were trying to figure out what we could eat one day and he suggested something with a bunch of Gluten in it, I said ohhh I can't eat that it has Gluten in it. His response was "Well a little bit won't hurt you" I told him it was like eating a lil bit of poison ivy, I think that next time I go see the Dr, I will have my husband go with me, so the Dr. Can explain to him, NO means NO gluten. I hope you find the answers your looking for , I know it's not in my post. I am just here to let you know you are not alone.

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I am going to say this because I'm not sure anyone else noticed, and because someone who can be the "tough parent" needs to do it. If you want your parents to take your disease seriously, first you have to. Until you do, your parents won't, and you can't expect them to. You can't expect them to take things like cross contamination seriously, or statements like "no, just a little bit is not okay" seriously when you are willing to sit down and eat meals of fried chicken, mac & cheese, and biscuits and gravy.

 

What you think you just did was poison yourself physically, make yourself feel bad for a bit and you'll get over it. What you actually did was poison every last effort and bit of progress you ever made with your parents. What your parents now see is that what it truly comes down to, is that you simply are being picky. From their perspective now, you don't want to eat what they are working hard to put in front of you. If you wanted to you just would, after all you ate the fried chicken. And they can throw that back in your face every time it comes up.

 

What you need to do is two things. First, realize that you haven't made a choice, you've pretty much been given an edict. No gluten. There is no cheating, no sneaking, no work arounds. Accept it, move on. You need to stop thinking of certain things as your favorite foods. Either the gluten free versions are your favorites now, or you have new favorites. That just is the way is has to be, you'll be happier accepting that fact. One of my favorite things in the whole world has always been cupcakes, still is, now it is just gluten free cupcakes. You adjust your attitude or die inside a little every time you see what you can't have. Second, get your parents with you to your doctor. Now that you have done the damage of eating all of that in front of your parents you need to undo the damage. Having that discussion together can help them understand that it really is a serious disease that needs to be taken seriously. It may also help you hear it again right now since you are obviously struggling with it.

 

Remember though, you only fell off the wagon. There is no reason to stay off the wagon. We trip, we fall, accidents happen. Brush yourself off and keep walking. Everyone here is here to help. And also remember what I said first, I am saying all of this from the tough love parent point of view. (I'm doing a lot of that this weekend... teenagers. <_<)

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      It sounds like you've been through a lot with your son's health journey, and it's understandable that you're seeking answers and solutions. Given the complexity of his symptoms and medical history, it might be beneficial to explore a few avenues: Encourage your son to keep a detailed journal of his symptoms, including when they occur, their severity, any triggers or patterns, and how they impact his daily life. This information can be valuable during medical consultations and may help identify correlations or trends. Consider seeking opinions from specialized medical centers or academic hospitals that have multidisciplinary teams specializing in gastrointestinal disorders, especially those related to Celiac disease and Eosinophilic Esophagitis (EOE). These centers often have experts who deal with complex cases and can offer a comprehensive evaluation. Since you've already explored alternative medicine with a nutrition response doctor and a gut detox diet, you may want to consider consulting a functional medicine practitioner. They take a holistic approach to health, looking at underlying causes and imbalances that may contribute to symptoms. Given his low vitamin D levels and other nutritional markers, a thorough nutritional assessment by a registered dietitian or nutritionist specializing in gastrointestinal health could provide insights into any deficiencies or dietary adjustments that might help alleviate symptoms. In addition to routine tests, consider asking about more specialized tests that may not be part of standard screenings. These could include comprehensive stool analyses, food intolerance testing, allergy panels, or advanced imaging studies to assess gut health.
    • Nacina
      Hello, I am a 45 year old mom, who was diagnosed at 29 with Celiac. My now 14 year old son was diagnosed just before his 4th birthday. Needless to say, we are old pros with the diet. He was experiencing some issues, overall health took a major plummet a year ago, and through a bit of work, was diagnosed with EOE. Tried diet alone, but his follow up endoscopy didn't show the improvements his DR. wanted to see, so I tried the medication. (Steroid). He became extremely backed up, and they had him taking Miralax daily. His health plummeted. He is a straight A honor's 8th grader who plays club soccer very competitively. His health continued to decline and at 13 had a colonoscopy and another upper gi. (He was still compacted even with the prep). I finally pulled him off all meds and mira lax, after reading much negative literature online, and put him on a gut detox diet and took him to a nutrition response dr. Finally things have improved. However...over a year later and he is having relapse stomach pain, debilitating stomach pain. Missing a day of school a week, to three this week. This is where we downward spiral with him. He says it doesn't feel the same as when he has gotten backed up before. He is eating prunes, taking his supplements, drinking water...all of the things. Yet, he is feeling horrible. Pain is abdomen, headache, lethargy, diarrhea . He is on a strict gluten dairy, egg free diet. He has adapted well in regards to diet. But I feel like we are missing something here. He is too active, too outgoing to be feeling sick all of the time. His Bilirubin is constantly high. His white blood count always runs slightly low. His vitamin D was very low last time he ran tests, (last month) when he was sick for a week. His celiac markers show negative, so it isn't that. His last endoscopy showed no Eosinaphils in his esophagus.  I have taken him to multiple Ped. Gastro specialists. They run tests, and we get zero answers. I meticulously go through labs, hoping to make some sense and maybe catch something. Any thoughts or ideas would greatly be appreciated. 
    • trents
      But if you have been off of wheat for a period of weeks/months leading up to the testing it will likely turn out to be negative for celiac disease, even if you actually have celiac disease. Given your symptoms when consuming gluten, we certainly understand your reluctance to undergo  the "gluten challenge" before testing but you need to understand that the testing may be a waste of time if you don't. What are you going to do if it is negative for celiac disease? Are you going to go back to merrily eating wheat/barley/rye products while living in pain and destroying your health? You will be in a conundrum. Do I or do I not? And you will likely have a difficult time being consistent with your diet. Celiac disease causes inflammation to the small bowel villous lining when gluten containing grains are consumed. This inflammation produces certain antibodies that can be detected in the blood after they reach a certain level, which takes weeks or months after the onset of the disease. If gluten is stopped or drastically reduced, the inflammation begins to decrease and so do the antibodies. Before long, their low levels are not detectable by testing and the antibody blood tests done for diagnosing celiac disease will be negative. Over time, this inflammation wears down the billions of microscopic, finger-like projections that make up the lining and form the nutrient absorbing layer of the small bowel where all the nutrition in our food is absorbed. As the villi bet worn down, vitamin and mineral deficiencies typically develop because absorption is compromised. An endoscopy with biopsy of the small bowel lining to microscopically examine this damage is usually the second stage of celiac disease diagnosis. However, when people cut out gluten or cut back on it significantly ahead of time before the biopsy is done, the villous lining has already experienced some healing and the microscopic examination may be negative or inconclusive. I'm not trying to tell you what to do I just want you to understand what the consequences of going gluten free ahead of testing are as far as test results go so that you will either not waste your time in having the tests done or will be prepared for negative test results and the impact that will have on your dietary decisions. And, who are these "consultants" you keep talking about and what are their qualifications? You are in the unenviable position that many who joint this forum have found themselves in. Namely, having begun a gluten free diet before getting a proper diagnosis but unwilling to enter into the gluten challenge for valid testing because of the severity of the symptoms it would cause them.
    • Fluka66
      Thank you very much for your reply. I hadn't heard of celiac disease but began to notice a pattern of pain. I've been on the floor more than once with agonising pain but this was always put down to another abdominal problem consequently I've been on a roundabout of backwards and forwards with another consultant for many years. I originally questioned this diagnosis but was assured it was the reason for my pain. Many years later the consultant gave up and I had a new GP. I started to cut out certain food types ,reading packets then really started to cut out wheat and went lactose free. After a month I reintroduced these in one meal and ended screaming in agony the tearing and bloating pain. With this info and a swollen lymph node in my neck I went back to the GP.  I have a referral now . I have also found out that acidic food is causing the terrible pain . My thoughts are this is irritating any ulcers. I'm hoping that after a decade the outlook isn't all bad. My blood test came back with a high marker but I didn't catch what it was. My GP and I have agreed that I won't go back on wheat just for the test due to the pain , my swollen lymph node and blood test results.  Trying to remain calm for the referral and perhaps needed to be more forceful all those years ago but I'm not assertive and consultants can be overwhelming. Many thanks for your reply . Wishing you all the best.
    • Moodiefoodie
      Wow! Fascinating info. Thanks so much! I really appreciate the guidance. @Spacepanther Over the years I have had rheumatologists do full lab work ups on me. They told me they had screened me for arthritis, lupus, and Lyme disease (all negative). In addition to joint pain and stiffness I had swelling in both knees that later moved to my elbow as well.  I also experience stiffness and pain in my neck and shoulders when it flares. I vomited fairly often growing up, but there wasn’t a real pattern to it and I didn’t know it wasn’t normal (thought people caught stomach viruses often).  I don’t usually have stomach symptoms immediately after eating gluten that I notice.  The only other joint condition I know of is fibromyalgia. Good luck! Hope you can get it figured out. I only assumed my joint symptoms were due to the celiac’s because it is under control for the most part on a gluten-free diet.  The rheumatologist also mentioned that some inflammatory/autoimmune diseases can be slow-moving and not detectable until they progress.
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