Jump to content



   arrowShare this page:
   

   Get email alerts  Subscribe to FREE Celiac.com email alerts

 
Ads by Google:
Celiac.com Sponsor:                                    


Photo
- - - - -

Wheat And Pets...


  • Please log in to reply
32 replies to this topic

#1 GC1

GC1

    Community Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 53 posts

Posted 21 October 2005 - 10:30 PM

Got to thinking about how many older dogs and cats I've seen that aren't healthy 'cause dry food and canned with added wheat filler makes up the bulk of their diet.
We now rarely feed our cats dry food, and try to choose canned with as little wheat as possible. We eat tons of chicken (split breast, whole birds, and leg quarters), so we have lots of left-over/carcass to feed them.

I was just wondering how many have fed their animals 'gluten', and have noticed it effecting their health?

GC
  • 0

Celiac.com Sponsor:

#2 nettiebeads

nettiebeads

    Advanced Community Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 820 posts

Posted 22 October 2005 - 03:05 AM

Got to thinking about how many older dogs and cats I've seen that aren't healthy 'cause dry food and canned with added wheat filler makes up the bulk of their diet.
We now rarely feed our cats dry food, and try to choose canned with as little wheat as possible. We eat tons of chicken (split breast, whole birds, and leg quarters), so we have lots of left-over/carcass to feed them.

I was just wondering how many have fed their animals 'gluten', and have noticed it effecting their health?

GC

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Cats have to have an all meat diet - their bodies cannot handle grain. Dogs are a little more flexible on that, but you are right - the right foods for animals does make a difference. When I was (a whole lot) younger, I had a dog that developed skin/hair problems. I took him to the vet, the vet just ran his hand down my dog's back and asked "do you feed him Bow-Wow?" (it was a brand produced locally at the time and was CHEAP). That was my first lesson in fillers for dog food. I switched to a better brand with way more protein and the problems did clear up.
  • 0
gluten-free since Oct 1996

#3 Jnkmnky

Jnkmnky

    Bloom where you are planted.

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,350 posts

Posted 22 October 2005 - 08:12 AM

I read on that DrJ site that Celiac Disease is wiping out some breeds of dogs... like the irish setter.
  • 0
I believe in God.

#4 Guest_Viola_*

Guest_Viola_*
  • Guests

Posted 22 October 2005 - 08:16 AM

There are some brands of dog food that carry no wheat or corn. I feed 'Solid Gold' which is wheat and corn free.
For treats I buy another brand of wheat and corn free food "First Mate' My dog thinks if she doesn't get it in her dish, it must be a treat :lol: She also gets a very small amount of what ever meat we are having.
  • 0

#5 CeliacMe

CeliacMe

    Advanced Community Member

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 86 posts

Posted 22 October 2005 - 08:53 PM

Did you know that dogs have been diagnosed with Celiac? TRUE STORY!

go to:

www.dogtorj.com

There's a list of gluten-free dog and cat foods!!!

Got to thinking about how many older dogs and cats I've seen that aren't healthy 'cause dry food and canned with added wheat filler makes up the bulk of their diet.
We now rarely feed our cats dry food, and try to choose canned with as little wheat as possible. We eat tons of chicken (split breast, whole birds, and leg quarters), so we have lots of left-over/carcass to feed them.

I was just wondering how many have fed their animals 'gluten', and have noticed it effecting their health?

GC

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>


  • 0
Pamela
Florida

Gluten Free since 7/05

#6 frenchiemama

frenchiemama

    Advanced Community Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 734 posts

Posted 23 October 2005 - 08:15 AM

Oh, I certainly believe that feeding our companion animals foods that are loaded with grains (esp wheat) is damaging for their health.

Once upon a time, in a galaxy far, far away I fed my little darlings.......*gulp*......Purina Beneful. :ph34r: There, I admitted it. They were in terrible shape, but of course I didn't realize it, I had never seen a dog in really good shape because everyone I knew fed their dogs grocery store food. They were itchy, chubby, had chronic ear infections, poor body composition, low energy, smelly (bodies and breath), had dull and flakey coats, and they were poop machines. They also were reluctant to eat, and would sometimes leave their food in the dish for almost the whole day.

Then I learned about ProPlan. It was supposed to be the "best". So I ran right on down to petco and picked some up. They liked it better than the other stuff and I did notice some improvement. Their coats got a little shinier and less flakey, they lost a little fat and gained more muscle, they had less doggie odor. I thought this stuff was the best.

THEN, about 1 1/2 yrs ago, I learned about the *true* premium kibbles available. I also learned a good deal about canine nutrition, and I was shocked and disgusted at the lengths that some companies will go to in order to create the cheapest food they possibly can while at the same time convincing people that it is the healthiest way to feed their beloved pets (and charging an outrageous amount for it). I also learned that most vets know little or nothing about pet nutrition, and what they do know is taught to them by the Big Three pet food producers (every food you can buy at the grocery store is made by one of only 3 companies).

I have since tried several of the high-end kibbles, and I've found one that I am completely in love with (and so are my babies). My dogs are now shiny, soft, bright-eyed, full of energy, lean, muscular, nice smelling (even their breath), and healthy. They no longer itch or chew their paws, they don't have any more chronic ear problems, they have clean white teeth, they poop a lot less and it doesn't smell nearly so bad.

We have foster dog with us right now, who came to us eating one of the better brands of food (it's better than anything you can get at the grocery store, but it's still loaded with gluten/grains). Since he's been eating the food we serve here, he's shown a huge improvement. Not only is his coat better, but he has filled out with more muscle and is arthritis has improved quite a bit.

Of course, kibble (even the very best kibble) isn't a natural diet for your animal. Doing a carefully researched and planned homecooked or raw diet is the best that you can do. However you need to really know what you are doing in order to properly balance the animal's diet. Personally, I just can't manage feeding 4 dogs a raw or homecooked diet. It's way too much work for me at the present. So they get the best kibble I can get them with add-ins like sardines, mackrel, pumpkin, kefir, cooked veggies, and some meats.

After seeing the changes in my dogs' health, I would never go back to feeding them the way I used to. In fact, I would rather eat gluten myself before I fed them something from the grocery store. These little dogs mean the world to me.

Here are some great websites for anyone who may be interested: :D

http://mordanna.com/dogfood/

http://www.dogaware.com/

http://www.gooddogma...ogfoodcosts.htm


*edited to add one more link
  • 0

Carolyn


"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. "
- Hunter S. Thompson

#7 frenchiemama

frenchiemama

    Advanced Community Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 734 posts

Posted 23 October 2005 - 08:19 AM

Oh, one more thing that everyone with dogs should be aware of:

Never, EVER give your dog chocolate, onions, grapes/raisins, or cooked bones (raw bones, like soup bones, are fine).

I know that there is a list like this for cats as well, but I don't have cats so I'm not really sure what it is.
  • 0

Carolyn


"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. "
- Hunter S. Thompson

#8 Guest_Viola_*

Guest_Viola_*
  • Guests

Posted 23 October 2005 - 10:43 AM

Your talking about giving your dogs raw bones ... and a lot of people agree with you. I give mine a raw chicken neck every morning to keep her teeth clean, and she went from "you gotta get this dogs teeth cleaned .. to the vet saying nice teeth, did you get them cleaned?"

My daughter is into feeding her very large dogs raw beef bones that she gets done especially for pets. She once gave my, relatively small dog a raw beef hoof, with joint to chew on the long drive home. $300 later I find out she has a very serious case of ecoli :o :( We came very close to loosing her. I'm not saying don't feed beef, but be very careful where you get it from. Dogs cannot get samanella from chicken, but they CAN get ecoli! I, as a result, never feed un-cooked beef. The old saying of once burned, twice shy. :rolleyes:
  • 0

#9 frenchiemama

frenchiemama

    Advanced Community Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 734 posts

Posted 23 October 2005 - 02:15 PM

Your talking about giving your dogs raw bones ... and a lot of people agree with you. I give mine a raw chicken neck every morning to keep her teeth clean, and she went from "you gotta get this dogs teeth cleaned .. to the vet saying nice teeth, did you get them cleaned?"

My daughter is into feeding her very large dogs raw beef bones that she gets done especially for pets. She once gave my, relatively small dog a raw beef hoof, with joint to chew on the long drive home. $300 later I find out she has a very serious case of ecoli  :o  :(  We came very close to loosing her. I'm not saying don't feed beef, but be very careful where you get it from. Dogs cannot get samanella from chicken, but they CAN get ecoli!  I, as a result, never feed un-cooked beef. The old saying of once burned, twice shy.  :rolleyes:

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>


Very good point. While dogs do have a much shorter and more acidic digestive tract that we do, they are not immune to food borne bacteria (they do have a much lower risk than we do though).

If you are going to give your dogs raw anything; you need to buy, store, and handle that meat as though YOU were going to eat it. And don't tell the butcher shop people that it is for your dogs, they will give you things that are older and poor quality. Also be aware that certian cuts of meat will be much more likely to have bacterial contamination. For example, ground beef is much more likely to contain e.coli than a steak, roast, or soup bone.

The age and health of the dog needs to be considered as well. An older dog, or one that might have other illnesses may be at much higher risk.

Feeding a raw diet is not for the faint of heart. Which is exactly the reason that I don't do it. I believe that it is nutritionally the best, but I just can't manage the logistics and knowledge required.
  • 0

Carolyn


"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. "
- Hunter S. Thompson

#10 GC1

GC1

    Community Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 53 posts

Posted 23 October 2005 - 09:16 PM

Awesome responses... glad I thought to start this topic, 'cause I've learned alot, and love seeing all the stories/info about our pets!

I took a 55 gallon [food use] barrel, stood it on end, and cut a hole in 'front' and one in the 'top'... I took the cut-out from the front, and put it on hinges to make a door. We use it to grill the very infrequent 'hamburger steak', steak, and fresh fish... and to slow cook/smoke chicken split-breasts, leg-quarters, and whole birds cut in half.
Except for skin, larger bones, and thicker pieces of fat, we feed the cats these left-overs and carcasses. We know it's best to feed raw meats when possible... but we assumed this low temp cooking would be next best. The cats go totally 'ape' for it, so it must be fairly good for 'em. We noticed their eyes, ears, noses, fur, and their stool looks much better. Almost never see them have thin stool, unless they've been roaming the neighborhood eating who-knows-what.

Do any of you also give 'em eggs once-in-awhile?

GC
  • 0

#11 Guest_Viola_*

Guest_Viola_*
  • Guests

Posted 24 October 2005 - 08:12 AM

I don't feed eggs very often. If we have scrambled eggs, she might get a tablespoon full, without any onions of course. And my Dad spoils her when he's visiting. He has heart problems so never eats the yolks, Sheba gets the yolks when he's here. So she is always over at their travel trailer hoping he's having eggs for breakfast :lol: Sometimes she just gets a little bit of oatmeal, or skim milk though, as he doesn't have eggs often.
  • 0

#12 VydorScope

VydorScope

    Advanced Community Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,364 posts

Posted 24 October 2005 - 08:24 AM

There are some brands of dog food that carry no wheat or corn. I feed 'Solid Gold' which is wheat and corn free.
For treats I buy another brand of wheat and corn free food "First Mate' My dog thinks if she doesn't get it in her dish, it must be a treat  :lol:  She also gets a very small amount of what ever meat we are having.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>



Any that are store buyable?
  • 0

- Vincent -


#13 frenchiemama

frenchiemama

    Advanced Community Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 734 posts

Posted 24 October 2005 - 08:30 AM

Any that are store buyable?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>



Natural Balance is a good brand that you can find at Petco. At Petsmart I think Blue Buffalo is the best one that they carry (but we don't have a Petsmart so I don't know). For most of the other brands you would have to go to either a feed store or a non-chain pet store. I order my stuff online.

I posted a link earlier that lists several different brands and also gives their websites. If you go to the websites they have a store locator and you can find where they are sold near you.
  • 0

Carolyn


"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. "
- Hunter S. Thompson

#14 Guest_Viola_*

Guest_Viola_*
  • Guests

Posted 24 October 2005 - 08:36 AM

You'll also find that they are more expensive, at least they appear to be. However, they are a higher concentrate and so you don't feed as much.
For instance, something like Kibbles & Bits would tell you to feed a dog Sheba size about 2 to 3 cups a day. With Solid Gold she get 2/3 of a cup a day plus a few tiny treats and a tablespoon full of what ever we are eating twice a day. So it actually works out to be cheaper.
  • 0

#15 VydorScope

VydorScope

    Advanced Community Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,364 posts

Posted 24 October 2005 - 08:47 AM

Is there a list of brands anywhere? We have a locally own petstore that we like. Plus either petsmart or petco I forget which is close. Our dog is 55 pounds and we feed him 3 cups a day of Purina....
  • 0

- Vincent -



0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

Celiac.com Sponsors: