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Some Probiotics Can Increase Histamine
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For those of us who suffer from histamine related issues, I wanted to pass along this info I read about probiotics. I found this info on several sites.

 

I read that some strains of probiotics can be histamine producing: Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus Bulgaricus, and Lactobacillus reuteri. I have the first two in the probiotics I've taken for over a year. I'm stopping them.

 

Others can work in the reverse, reducing histamine: Bifidobacterium infantis , Bifidobacterium longum, and Lactobacillus plantarum.

 

I've been taking Saccharomyces-Boulardii which is supposed to be helpful for gastroenteritis. I was planning to start Culturelle so I'm switching to that one. I just saw my ND. She said if you rotate the different types probiotics you take, it might increase their effectiveness.

 

I've included this link for the most recent info I found, but only for the info on probiotics, (not for any other claims it makes).

 

http://exerscribe.com/blog/3-reasons-to-toss-the-yogurt-and-probiotics/

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Hogwash :) not you!! -that guy he is quoting. lol

 

The man he is quoting in that blog article is this man (below)... so you are going to follow the advice of this guy?

 

 

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what several sites have you found this information on?

 

...because I have taken some  multi strain ProBs with 2 of those strains in them and my histamine intolerance is under control. 

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The woman who writes The Low Histamine Chef blog says

 

"Today I found that Lactobacillus reuteri is something I definitely want in thereRather excitingly to me, this new study proves something I’ve been talking about for ages – that not all histamine is bad for us. Lactobacillus reuteri causes histidine to convert to histamine, but this particular histamine raises cAMP (this is good!), and kills inflammation! This study finally backs up the assertion that not all histamine is bad and as such should not be entirely eliminated from the diet."

 

she questions the  casei  and Lactobacillus Bulgaricus ...

For now I’ve decided to avoid Lactobacillus casei and Lactobacillus Bulgaricus, until I find studies showing that their histamine raising qualities are in fact something we want, because it raises cAMP levels/fights inflammation.

 

But she does not produce any studies either way.

 

I do agree that you should switch up ProBs sometimes and Jess ( a doctor with celiac disease and MCAS ) and I take  Florejen 3.

 

Florajen contains only one active ingredient, Lactobacillus acidophilus, and has a total cell count of over 20 billion live cultures. It is especially helpful for maintaining a natural balance of vaginal flora. Florajen3 includes Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium lactis andBifidobacterium longum with a total cell count over 15 billion live cultures. It is especially helpful for maintaining gastrointestinal health.

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Hmmm… I'm not sure, but I get the idea you feel strongly about this :)

 

I wanted to share what I found but I was careful to state it as something I read, nothing more.

 

I'll leave it to you to determine whether there is truth in it IH.

 

I first read it on the Low Histamine Chef website. I originally came across it when I clicked on the link about histamine lowering probiotic strains. Then I found the same info on other sites. The links are below.

 

http://thelowhistaminechef.com/these-probiotic-strains-lower-histamine-rather-than-raising-it/

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2621.2011.02717.x/abstract

http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/rethinking-probiotics.24643/

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/huaraches/zDg_-xlFwQU/4vQl9x41PQoJ

http://www.bulletproofexec.com/why-yogurt-and-probiotics-make-you-fat-and-foggy/

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I'll leave it to you to determine whether there is truth in it IH.

 

 

 

When it comes to celiac and the issue of histamine intolerance (which is poorly understood, really) I always read current research from reputable sources, check in with my GI doctor and discuss things with him , talk with people who have also researched HIT for a few years besides me (GottaskiLisa, Jebby aka jess) and then, I do what's best for me. ^_^ Lisa and Jess and I have had great success controlling the histamine levels in our bodies and we all have to do different things to obtain that. They both require medications, whereas I do not because I do not suffer anaphylaxis.

I take quercetin, probiotics, fish oil caps and stay low histamine on the food intake. Symptoms that troubled me for 2 years--even after going gluten-free and being monitored by my doctor--- are almost obsolete. It was not pleasant to continuously suffer from allergic reactions, sores on my face and scalp, fatigue, wonky bowels, joint pain etc. so I did everything in my power to make that stop. 

 

I hope you can find your tolerance level and enjoy a wider variety of foods at some point.

 

I know how hard it is to have so many foods out of the rotation.I did it for a long time. 

Good luck! 

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FruitE,

 

I really have to agree with Irish on everything she's told you and there are VERY few on this board who actually have a Histamine intolerance and even less with MCAD.  If you don't find relief of some big issues with going low/no histamine in a few weeks then it is likely not an issue for you.

 

I hate to see New Members run after cures when Celiac takes time for wellness to happen.  If after some period of time you still have unresolved issues, then look for the next probable issue AND seek medical care.

 

Colleen

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Yep, what Irish said.

 

Hang in there :)

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I've seen a huge difference going low histamine. The allergy-like symptoms have improved, I see positive changes in my digestion, and my joint pain is better so I can sleep more comfortably again.

 

I have more foods to choose from now, so it's easier. I'm on the right path, getting better, and moving forward  :)

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There is most definitely a connection with probiotics and histamine or something to do with the liver's detoxification pathways. I will preface this by saying I have had fluoroquinolone toxicity syndrome (floxing) from Levaquin for over two years. I have severe bodywide damage, especially neurological. The first few months of floxing I had severe multiple chemical sensitivities, but went away after a few months. I also have a pre-existing pancreatic biliary disorder and coupled with the floxing's damage to my GI tract my doctor wanted me to try Align a few months ago. Within a few days I couldn't clean my house due to the smell of the chemicals (even the natural stuff), forget standing near someone with perfume on, and I couldn't even stand in a room with new carpet. I went off the Align and my symptoms improved. I then tried Culturelle and immediately couldn't stand chemicals in any form. Went off that and improved. Went on a hypoallergenic "clean" probiotic by Klare Labs called Vital 10. I was ok for a few days, then very mild chemical sensitivities began. After a week or so my nails started lifting from the nail beds and I could barely breathe from simple hand soap or shampoo. I have gone off these but am yet to fully recover. 

 

All that being said, there is most definitely an issue with probiotics causing histamine issues. I may be one case report, but that's enough for me. I do not believe probiotics are for everyone. I am done with them and will be happier all the same. 

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I've seen a huge difference going low histamine. The allergy-like symptoms have improved, I see positive changes in my digestion, and my joint pain is better so I can sleep more comfortably again.

 

I have more foods to choose from now, so it's easier. I'm on the right path, getting better, and moving forward  :)

Thank you for this...I think your spot on!

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There is most definitely a connection with probiotics and histamine or something to do with the liver's detoxification pathways. I will preface this by saying I have had fluoroquinolone toxicity syndrome (floxing) from Levaquin for over two years. I have severe bodywide damage, especially neurological. The first few months of floxing I had severe multiple chemical sensitivities, but went away after a few months. I also have a pre-existing pancreatic biliary disorder and coupled with the floxing's damage to my GI tract my doctor wanted me to try Align a few months ago. Within a few days I couldn't clean my house due to the smell of the chemicals (even the natural stuff), forget standing near someone with perfume on, and I couldn't even stand in a room with new carpet. I went off the Align and my symptoms improved. I then tried Culturelle and immediately couldn't stand chemicals in any form. Went off that and improved. Went on a hypoallergenic "clean" probiotic by Klare Labs called Vital 10. I was ok for a few days, then very mild chemical sensitivities began. After a week or so my nails started lifting from the nail beds and I could barely breathe from simple hand soap or shampoo. I have gone off these but am yet to fully recover. 

 

All that being said, there is most definitely an issue with probiotics causing histamine issues. I may be one case report, but that's enough for me. I do not believe probiotics are for everyone. I am done with them and will be happier all the same. 

I saw this post by accident, and I can really relate!!!...last year I was diagnosed with Ulcerative Colitis, and then two months later Lichen Schlerosus, then GERD, then Gluten Intolerance, and now more recently Dairy intolerance...and I have been taking probotics for quite some time.  
 
However more recently I have been getting worst with an impossible allergy to perfume!! one whiff makes me terribly ill, and household products are now a problem too, last week I had to stop wearing my gold studs (which I have worn for 5 years) all of a sudden I am allergic to them!!...this post has made me really think and I am going to stop taking my probotics for a while and see if I have any improvement.
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All the gut flora do different things, regulate your immune system by releasing cytokines and they make nutrients for you too.

 

Don't worry about what ones make histamine and what don't. What you need is to collect many more species of them. Probably you only have 100 species or so. Humans still living in nature have some 3000 different species, they all balance each other out and all digest different compounds. You only have to take one course of antibiotics to undo 20 years of bacteria collecting and that's what stuffs everything up. Eat dirt, eat poo, get in the rotten stuff..

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