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#1 whitelacegal

 
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Posted 05 May 2004 - 05:07 AM

I wondered if anyone has ever heard of this? My doctor (GI) diagnosed me with Celiac after biopsy of the intestines, but i am wondering if i have candida instead of celiac? or if this has anything to do with Celiac disease, cause i have had problems after taking alot of antibiotics and have had postive culture of Candida in the mouth?
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Posted 05 May 2004 - 02:11 PM

It is my opinion that most of Celiac patients probably have Candida. If you have had damage in your intestines and there is undigested food there to be consumed and you are weakened as well, then throw antibotics in the mix (anyone having long standing health problems has probably taken them at one time or another) that is a breeding ground for Candida. I have known that I have Candida for almost 20 years but have not been able clear the infection totally, now that I know I have Celiac as well, it is understandable why.
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Posted 17 May 2004 - 11:57 AM

What is Candida?
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Posted 17 May 2004 - 01:21 PM

This is what one article had to say: Candida Albicans is a yeast infestation, from a parasite that thrives in warm-blooded animals. In the allopathic world of medicine it is referred as a fungus. This fungus can cause thrush and vaginal infections and spread to any part of the body that is weakened. We all have intestinal candida and when in balance it helps maintain and aid our immune system by controlling the unfriendly organisms. However, Candida Albicans takes advantage of circumstances in the body. This single cell fungi multiplies and develops toxins which circulate in the blood stream which cause an array of maladies.

Candida produces an alcohol called ethanol producing an intoxicating effect in the blood if the count level is too high. Ethanol grows rapidly when yeast has a food source like white sugar or white floor products. In severe cases it produces much more than the liver can oxidize and eliminate. It can produce a false estrogen and make the body think it has enough, which signals the body to cease production. Or send messages to the thyroid, making it think it has enough stopping the production of thyroxin. The cause of this is menstrual problems and hypothyroid problems.

Another byproduct is acetaldehyde and it is related to formaldehyde this disrupts collagen production, fatty acid oxidation and blocks normal nerve functions. Basically it interferes with the normal functions of the entire body and is a severe problem. One way to get an overdose of candida in the system is by taking antibiotics and birth control pills, and consuming sugar products. Candida feeds on antibiotics (it is their food source). Other causes: cortisone, progesterone suppositories, faulty diets, diet, too much meat, weakened immune systems, and hi-mercury levels from mercury fillings.
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Posted 17 May 2004 - 01:28 PM

Also, here are a list of symptoms. Many of us probably thought Candida was our sole problem originally, but were unable to get over the condition and now we know why our bodies were in a perpetually weak state and our intestines were a perfect breeding ground for the infection.

Some Symptoms:

anxiety
constipation
hiatal hernia
depression
burning in eyes
rashes
dry or sore throat
inability to cope
adrenal failure
dizziness/vertigo
intestinal pain/colitis
hyper-irritability
asthma
feeling drained
puffy eyes
energy loss
thyroid failure
hyperactivity
inability to absorb food
insomnia
chemical sensitivity
muscle weakness
panic attacks
loss of concentration
bloating
food cravings
dry mouth
fatigue
food sensitivity
hives odors cold
belching heartburn
migraine headaches
bladder infections
mouth infections / thrush
spots in front of eyes
mental confusion
hay fever

Lastly I will say that if you are told you have it, the first thing they will say is that you have to go off sugar and all starchy foods, etc. However, it has been proven that once an infection is present it cannot be starved to death as they would have you believe (if the person then starved themselves to death, the candida would still be present I once read). Digestive enzymes can be used to get the infection under control, also I am now using Virgin Coconut Oil as it contains acids that are said to destroy the protective coating that candida forms to hide from the immune system and then your body can rid itself. If you do a search on this forum under coconut oil you will find some good info on it from another discussion. I am trying this method instead of the higher amounts of enzymes needed to get rid of the infection because coconut oil is said to also helps the thyroid recover and is such an easy lipid for the system to assimilate that it burns as a carbohydrate without being one. I take enzymes also, but cannot afford to stay at the levels it takes to dispose of candida (which you have to stay at for several months). I have heard the enzyme method works well however.
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Posted 17 May 2004 - 03:00 PM

Lisa, you seem very knowledge about this, how would i get some virgin coccanut oil?
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Posted 17 May 2004 - 05:35 PM

I use NOW Organic Virgin Coconut Oil and get it online at www.totaldiscountvitamins.com I did a lot of research and tried another brand as well and the quality and taste differs greatly, I trust NOW because they have high standards of quality and purity and they label when supplements are gluten free.

Here is a site that has a lot of info on the what Coconut Oil is good for: http://www.tropicalt...coconut_oil.htm

They recommend taking about 3 Tablespoons a day, you can cook with it (makes a great stir fry) or add it to a smoothie (great with fruit), I add a bit to each cup of coffee I have and cook with it and take it plain sometimes.
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Posted 19 May 2004 - 05:50 AM

LISA,

TANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION. TANK YOU ALSO FOR THE COCONUT OIL TIP. A DIDN'T KNEW ABOUT IT.

ALSO, I DON'T KNOW IF I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING. WHEN I READ YOU:

However, Candida Albicans takes advantage of circumstances in the body.

IT'S NOT WHAT I LEARNED FROM WHAT I READ: WHAT I LEARNED FROM THAT SUBJECT IS ABOUT MOLDS. THE MORE YOU EAT MOLDS, THE MORE YOU GOT CHANCES TO GET THAT DISEASE. HAVE A LOOK AT THIS:

http://www.phs.ualbe...22Myctoxins.ppt

SO, THAT WOULD BE THE POINT TO NO GRAIN DIET AND CLOSER TO RAW DIET TO...

DID I MISUNDERSTOOD SOMETHING?

PAUL
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Posted 19 May 2004 - 09:55 AM

Paul,

That link did not work for me, what is the name of the article and how do you find it on that site?

The only thing I can think of that you may have been reading about would be toxic molds, they can be inhaled (breathed in thru the mouth or nose) or eaten and cause health problems. As you probably know, there are many different kinds of molds/fungus and Candida in its original state is a friendly type that is already in the body. When we have a situation in our systems where the balance is not correct then it can change form and grow, causing an big problem. It can punch holes in the intestinal walls and leave the area, causing leaky gut because there are now areas that food and other materials can pass into the body directly.

You will have to let me know about that article or maybe you can copy some of it and post it here for us to read. :) Hope this makes it a bit more clear.
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Posted 19 May 2004 - 12:52 PM

THE PRESENTATION IS ON POWERPOINT FORMAT.

Food is the Substrate (slide 2)

Fungal toxins or mycotoxins (SLIDE 2 IS THE TABLE OF CONTENT)
Aflatoxins
Trichothecenes
T-2 Toxin
Diacetoxyscirpenol
Vomatoxin or deoxynivalenol
Ochratoxins
Fumonisins
Zearalenone
a resorcyclic lactone
Ergot alkaloids
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Trichothecenes (slide 8)
T-2 Toxin
Diacetoxyscirpenol
Deoxynivalenol or vomitoxin
Mimic radiation poisoning
Prevent initiation of protein synthesis

Trichothecenes (slide 10)
Produced by species of Fusarium
Grow under cool to cold conditions
Grow in a variety of substrates
Cereal grains
Canola
Alfalfa
Tomatoes
Fruits


Toxic Effects
(slide 12)
Radiomimetic toxins
Targets are rapidly reproducing cells:
Bone marrow
Enterocytes
Lymphocytes in lymph nodes
Seminferous tubules of testicle
Fetus and placenta
Cell with high metabolic rate
Chief cells in the stomach
Cells in salivary gland

Reproductive Effects (slide 13)
Toxic to testicle
Abortions

Clinical Signs (slide 14)
Perfuse diarrhea
Acute abdominal pain
Sores in the mouth
Immunosuppression

OF COURSE, THERE IS PHOTOS. IT'S NOT COMPLETE BUT IT GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE PRESENTATION. IN FACT, YOU ONLY NEED TO FIND A COMPUTER WITH POWERPOINT ON IT (MS OFFICE).

PAUL
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Posted 19 May 2004 - 02:32 PM

I don't see any reference to Candida and do not have Power Point so I cannot look over the presentation. It does still look like they are referring to toxic molds to me, they can have many if not all of the same effects as Candida but different origins.
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Posted 19 May 2004 - 03:09 PM

Yes lisa i am off all sugars and almost everything else to lol but i am seeing some of my problems like diarrhea disaapear after getting rid of sugar in my diet, when i got rid of gluetin i still had the diarrhea and didnt go away till i got rid of the sugar! :)
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#13 LUAP

 
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Posted 20 May 2004 - 05:05 AM

CANDIDA IS JUST A FAMILY OF YEAST. SOME SITES ARE MAKING IT A MONSTER TO MAKES YOU AFFRAID, AND TO HELP YOU MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE OF BUYING THEIR PRODUCTS. HERE IS A VERY GOOD EXPLANATION AND THAT CORRELATE WHAT YOUR SAYING.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeast

IF YOU READ CAREFULLY, YOUR GONNA SEE THAT IT IS ALREADY PRESENT IN FOOD :o , ACCORDING TO WHAT I AM SAYING TO.

ME, BECAUSE I AM COELIAQUE, I THINK THAT IF I DON'T WANT TO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH MOLDS, BETTER HAVE THE RIGHT DIET...AND THE RIGHT DIET DOESN'T MEAN ONLY EXCLUDE RYE, WHEAT AND BARLEY.

PAUL
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Posted 20 May 2004 - 11:12 AM

Paul,

I understand what you are saying, but we are not just speaking just of a type of yeast, we are speaking of a medically documented [/B]health conditioin[B]. Yes, Candida is a type of yeast, but when you have Systematic Candidiasis (I hope I spelled that right) you have a condition in which your own bodies naturally occuring candida flora has gone thru the asexual reproduction (as discribed in that link) and has gotten out of control due to one of many factors. Once this has happened, it is very hard to get it back into proper balance and you have the added problem of it usually being outside the intestines at this point. It forms around itself a protein coating (as many virus and bacteria do as well) and thus it hides from the immune system, especially if you have low enzyme levels and cannot break down protein and carbohydrates very well. That is where the enzyme therapy and coconut oil comes in, protease digests the outer coating and cellulase/amylase aid the body in digesting the candida itself, especially in areas outside the digestive tract. Coconut oil has the right acids to dispose of the protein coating as well, allowing the body to "see" the candida and attack it.

So, enzyme therapy or taking digestive enzymes is very important for more than just getting your nutrition from your food, it is also a part of the immune system and every system in the body uses enzymes for multiple jobs. I believe they make all the difference in the world.

If your still unclear about this being a health risk, ask your doctor, this is not just something companies are using to make sales. With the overuse of antiboitics, many, many people suffer from this condition.
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Posted 21 May 2004 - 07:00 AM

OK NOW, LETíS GIVING SOLUTIONS AGAINST CANDIDA AND OTHER MOLDS PROBLEMS.

FIRST WHAT OTHER THINGS THAN COCONUT OIL KILLS CANDIDA AND OTHER YEAST:
- ONIONS
- GARLIC (STRONG AGAINST CANCER TO)
- CHIVES
- CLOVES
- LACTOFERIN (MILK PRODUCTS)
- CAPRYLIC ACID (MILK PRODUCTS)
- SORBIC ACID
- POE DíARCO TEA
- OLIVE LEAF
- GOOD BACTERIA

NOW, WITH THE GOOD BACTERIA (ENZYME) DIET, YOU NEED TO BE CAREFULLÖBECAUSE IF YOU EAT TO MUCH, OR IF YOU FUEL THEM TO MUCH, YOU GONNA GET GAS AND DIAREA. AND THIS IS NOT FUNNY.

WHERE TO FIND YOUR GOOD BACTERIA (ENZYME, PROBIOTICS)
- ALOE
- YOGURT (10 STRAINS OF GOOD BACTERIA/ 1 BAD STRAIN)
- KEFIR (5 STRAINS OF GOOD BACTERIA/ 1 BAD)
- FRESH CHEESE
- CUCUMBER
- SAUERKRAUT
- JERUSALEM ARTICHOKE (TOPINAMBOURG IN FRENCH)
- BREAD YEAST (FOR SACCHAROMYCES BOULARDI)
- FISH/SEA FOOD

NOW WHAT FUELíS GOOD BACTERIA (PRE BIOTICS)

IN FRENCH, ITíS CALLED FRUCTO-OLIGOSACCHARIDES. THIS IS FOOD FOR YOUR GOOD BACTERIA. IT HELPS THEM TO LIVE INSIDE OF YOU AND REPRODUCE.

- BANANA
- ARTICHOKE
- GARLIC
- HONEY (SOME EXCLUDE THIS ONE)
- SALSIFY
- LEEK
- CHICORY
- JERUSALEM ARTICHOKE
- GARLIC

OF THAT LIST I EXCLUDED

- ASPARAGUS
- TOMATO
- WHEAT
- RYE

THATíS IT FOR FRUCTO-OLIGOSACCHARIDES.

AND THATíS WHAT I HAVE FOR MOLDS(YEAST,FUNGUS). I DO NOT MINIMISE EFFECTS OF CANDIDA. LIKE I DONíT MINIMISE THE FACT THAT, AS A COELIAQUE PERSON, MY STOMACH HAVE BEEN DESTROYED BY ADENO VIRUS 12. SO I RECOMMEND EVERYONE TO DO THE SAME EXERCISE WITH CANCER. WHAT IS GOOD AGAINST CANCER?

AGAIN, TANK YOU LISA FOR THE TIP OF COCONUT OIL. I ADDED IT TO MY LIST OF FOOD AGAINST MOLDS.

PAUL
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