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#1 marciab

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Posted 07 April 2006 - 02:17 PM

I get this rash on my belly from time to time and I was wondering if it is DH ? It looks like what I have seen DH described like. Tiny pimples with a blistery head that burst easily and itch like crazy.

But, I only get 10 at a time at the most. All on my belly too. And I never notice them until I they start itching like crazy. I scratch my belly and can feel the liquid come out of the bump. That's how I know I have one. Sorry to be so graphic.

I've shown these to all my of docs over the years and all they ever said was "hmmm".

What do you think ? Is this DH ? If it is and I can't resist the urge to kill my doctors, will ya'll vouch for me ???

Marcia
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Jan 1990 - Dx CFS/ME/FM (URI's, Ataxia, myoclonus, orthostatic hypotension, insomnia, brain fog, swollen lymph nodes, sore throat... ) Completely Disabled (housebound and bedridden at times)

2004 - Digestive pain all the time.

May 2004 - Hiatal hernia, erosive gastritis, gastroparesis (endoscopy)
August 2004 - Colon polyps, diverticulitus, internal hemorrhoids (colonoscopy)

No relief from Nexium, Prilosec, Protonix, Zelnorm, Miralax, Imodium, Lomotil ...
July 2005 - GP recommended WFDFSFEFCF + vegan (Also, anything that hurts free)
Immediately stopped needing naps and digestive pain reduced.

Sept 2005 - GFDFCFSFEF + chemical free - Immediately stopped feeling jittery / buzzing and digestive issues were much better.

June 2006 - Dx B12 and iron deficient. Started B12 injections and using cast iron pan.

August 2006 - MYOCLONUS GONE. (off Klonopin)
September 2006 - ATAXIA, INSOMNIA and Feeling like the floor was moving under my feet gone.

June 19, 2007 - Positive DQ2, Dx Celiac

October 2007 - Sleeping like a baby, waking up with energy, but still having fatigue/stamina issues

Nov 2007 - Started Paleo diet for chronic hypoglycemia

April 2008 - GTT normal. I'm no longer hypoglycemic. Started Low oxalate diet for kidney stones.

May 1, 2008 - Began salt loading for OI/NMH - noticed immediately muscle weakness was gone. I was sodium deficient but my labs don't reflect it. Still working on OI and PEM.

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#2 Ursa Major

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Posted 07 April 2006 - 08:43 PM

Marcia, it is definitely possible that those bumps are DH. You might want to get a skin biopsy next time you get those. If you are diagnosed with DH, you automatically have a firm diagnosis of celiac disease.
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Asperger Syndrome, Tourette Syndrome, Addison's disease (adrenal insufficiency), hypothyroidism, fatigue syndrome, asthma

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#3 marciab

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Posted 08 April 2006 - 06:29 AM

Thanks Ursula,

I had discounted it as DH because everything I read about DH said that people normally get the rash on their elbow, knees and buttocks. I looked here first before asking, but didn't see anything about where all you can get DH. I could have missed it though, I get sidetracked easily.

Once a blister has popped it continues to ooze anc crust over for several days and then goes away completely about two weeks after it has popped. They itch like crazy while they are in the oozing phase. I don't get them all at one time either. It takes about 3 days for all of them to show up.

I got one a couple of days ago, but so far that's all. I've been checking daily now because I am curious.

I will definitely get it biopsied next time. Do they have to be in the oozing phase for a biopsy to be correct ?

I know it would help me stay motivated to stay gluten free if I had a medical diagnosis. That's just me.

Thanks again ... Marcia
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Jan 1990 - Dx CFS/ME/FM (URI's, Ataxia, myoclonus, orthostatic hypotension, insomnia, brain fog, swollen lymph nodes, sore throat... ) Completely Disabled (housebound and bedridden at times)

2004 - Digestive pain all the time.

May 2004 - Hiatal hernia, erosive gastritis, gastroparesis (endoscopy)
August 2004 - Colon polyps, diverticulitus, internal hemorrhoids (colonoscopy)

No relief from Nexium, Prilosec, Protonix, Zelnorm, Miralax, Imodium, Lomotil ...
July 2005 - GP recommended WFDFSFEFCF + vegan (Also, anything that hurts free)
Immediately stopped needing naps and digestive pain reduced.

Sept 2005 - GFDFCFSFEF + chemical free - Immediately stopped feeling jittery / buzzing and digestive issues were much better.

June 2006 - Dx B12 and iron deficient. Started B12 injections and using cast iron pan.

August 2006 - MYOCLONUS GONE. (off Klonopin)
September 2006 - ATAXIA, INSOMNIA and Feeling like the floor was moving under my feet gone.

June 19, 2007 - Positive DQ2, Dx Celiac

October 2007 - Sleeping like a baby, waking up with energy, but still having fatigue/stamina issues

Nov 2007 - Started Paleo diet for chronic hypoglycemia

April 2008 - GTT normal. I'm no longer hypoglycemic. Started Low oxalate diet for kidney stones.

May 1, 2008 - Began salt loading for OI/NMH - noticed immediately muscle weakness was gone. I was sodium deficient but my labs don't reflect it. Still working on OI and PEM.

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Posted 09 April 2006 - 12:52 PM

I get outbreaks of those blisters just as you described. I DO have dh, but my dr. wasn't convinced that these bumps were the same thing. I tend to think that they are dh. Mine are around my middle with more on the sides. I use a steroid ointment to help the itch. I've been on a gluten free diet for 2 years, but have these flare ups every so often.
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Posted 09 April 2006 - 03:09 PM

I wonder if that's what I've got right now. I got glutened this week and I have these little blistery bumps on my breasts and tummy. I also get them on my arms sometimes. They itch like crazy.
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#6 Ursa Major

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Posted 09 April 2006 - 08:56 PM

Marcia, even though MOST people get DH in those usual areas doesn't mean you couldn't get them anywhere at all. I've seen pictures on the Internet of DH pretty much anywhere on your body. And those oozing blisters are pretty typical, no matter where they are. I don't know what stage the blister (or bump or pimple) should be in to do the biopsy. You will need a referral to a dermatologist for starters, and see him/her. If you don't have a rash at the time of the appointment that's okay, go anyway (here in Canada it could be months before you get to see a specialist, sometimes more than a year, so you can't time your appointment for when you KNOW you have a rash), you will likely be told to come in on short notice when you get blisters again to do the biopsy. Its just hard to get in the first time.

Take pictures of your rash now to show the dermatologist, just in case.

Pegster, I think your doctor is wrong. DH doesn't always look exactly the same.

Ann, it is possible that your rash is DH. It doesn't have to be, but could very well be. I get those itchy rashes, and should follow my own advice and go to a dermatologist to have a skin biopsy done myself. At least if it comes up positive for DH I'd have a firm diagnosis as well.
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I am a German citizen, married to a Canadian 29 years, four daughters, one son, seven granddaughters and four grandsons, with one more grandchild on the way in July 2009.

Intolerant to all lectins (including gluten), nightshades (potatoes, tomatoes, peppers, eggplant) and salicylates.

Asperger Syndrome, Tourette Syndrome, Addison's disease (adrenal insufficiency), hypothyroidism, fatigue syndrome, asthma

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Posted 10 April 2006 - 06:58 AM

Thanks again Ursula,

I will definitely go to my dermatologist next time and ask him to biopsy it. Only, this time I will know to ask him to check for DH. I have been wondering what this was forever.

It would be great to have a firm medical diagnosis.

Marcia
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Jan 1990 - Dx CFS/ME/FM (URI's, Ataxia, myoclonus, orthostatic hypotension, insomnia, brain fog, swollen lymph nodes, sore throat... ) Completely Disabled (housebound and bedridden at times)

2004 - Digestive pain all the time.

May 2004 - Hiatal hernia, erosive gastritis, gastroparesis (endoscopy)
August 2004 - Colon polyps, diverticulitus, internal hemorrhoids (colonoscopy)

No relief from Nexium, Prilosec, Protonix, Zelnorm, Miralax, Imodium, Lomotil ...
July 2005 - GP recommended WFDFSFEFCF + vegan (Also, anything that hurts free)
Immediately stopped needing naps and digestive pain reduced.

Sept 2005 - GFDFCFSFEF + chemical free - Immediately stopped feeling jittery / buzzing and digestive issues were much better.

June 2006 - Dx B12 and iron deficient. Started B12 injections and using cast iron pan.

August 2006 - MYOCLONUS GONE. (off Klonopin)
September 2006 - ATAXIA, INSOMNIA and Feeling like the floor was moving under my feet gone.

June 19, 2007 - Positive DQ2, Dx Celiac

October 2007 - Sleeping like a baby, waking up with energy, but still having fatigue/stamina issues

Nov 2007 - Started Paleo diet for chronic hypoglycemia

April 2008 - GTT normal. I'm no longer hypoglycemic. Started Low oxalate diet for kidney stones.

May 1, 2008 - Began salt loading for OI/NMH - noticed immediately muscle weakness was gone. I was sodium deficient but my labs don't reflect it. Still working on OI and PEM.

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Posted 11 April 2006 - 06:06 PM

I would almost bet It's DH, I had the same thing, closer to the belt line, but oh yeah itchy, itchy it was!
I wondered the same thing, weather it was DH or not because I read, elbows, knees & buttock mostly
but I had the skin biospy, and it was confirmed.
I'm just recently diagnosed with celiac, but years of itching, and pain, been on a gluten-free diet for about 2 months, and feel alot better, little flare ups now and then but nothing like before

take care

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Posted 11 April 2006 - 06:56 PM

I would almost bet It's DH, I had the same thing, closer to the belt line, but oh yeah itchy, itchy it was!
I wondered the same thing, weather it was DH or not because I read, elbows, knees & buttock mostly
but I had the skin biospy, and it was confirmed.
I'm just recently diagnosed with celiac, but years of itching, and pain, been on a gluten-free diet for about 2 months, and feel alot better, little flare ups now and then but nothing like before

take care

Allen


I have "semi-dx'd" DH. It looks like a DH rash. It responds to Dapsone. Neg. Bloodwork (3 months mostly gluten-free at time of test), biopsy done (possibly wrong site) and results will be available on Thurs.
Ordered Enterolab test last night.

I have the "DH" rash EVERYWHERE except face, scalp, and bottom of feet. My Dr. (allergist who says he has seen it many times before) says it can be anywhere on body and can cover most of your body at one time. The elbows, buttocks, sacrum must be urban legend!
I glutened on a trip and got rash very very badly (so bad in fact I thought I'd end up in a mental ward). Dapsone didn't even really help. Stopped Dapsone - it got even WORSE. Started Dapsone yesterday again, now abating SOME.

And also, the DH rash can be a different type of rash depending on the type of skin that it's on. The easy-to-break oozing blisters are what I get on forearms and legs and upper back. On my underarms, lower back and (shhh!) crotch, are harder white bumps that itch like crazy but don't scratch off as easily. Scratching those areas causes either bruising or dark pigmentation of skin around bumps (UGLY!) When that rash first happened I was sure it was NOT DH - but Dr. said it still could be (the different type of skin issue).
Between the Biopsy and the Enterolab fecal test, I HOPE HOPE I can find out what this awful rash I've had for more than 3 years is! And I really do hope it is Celiac in a way! The "cure" is non-medical and fully within one's own control. And it's ONLY FOOD, right? (But I'm having hard time of it so far too).

And a lot of my history points to Celiac!
French Canadian
Lifetime of Constipation
Reflux caused by "bread/Flour" products started 1981 continued until I went gluten-free in Dec! Now very little GERD
Gall Bladder removed (stones) 1984 (right after 2nd pregnancy)
Major gas/bloat/stomach problems led to dx of IBS and increase by about 1000% of Wh. Wheat BREAD (to get fiber) - that helped constipation, caused almost diahrea (learned about Imodium!) but started with the awful rash almost immediately. So I made it worse - No gas, lots of diarhea, lots :huh: of rash!
Sound like Celiac?
It does to me!
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Diagnosed DH by Allergist via gluten-free Diet Success
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Neg skin biopsy & Neg bloodwork after gluten-free for 3 months
No Endoscopy - need to eat gluten for good test & won't do it

No other Allergies or major ailments!


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Posted 13 April 2006 - 04:07 PM

I feel lucky that I was diagnosed with DH because my not-so-severe GI symptoms had been ignored or blamed on food poisoning for years and years. My blood work was moderately high, but I think I would have had to be desperately ill before anyone would have caught the Celiac. I recommend a biopsy for anyone with the slightest suspicion of DH! It's good to know for sure.
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Posted 13 April 2006 - 04:23 PM

Anyone heard of DH *not* itching? I get blistery flat spots whenever I get glutened, and they are often symetrical (in same place on either side of my body). They usually appear on my upper chest and on my midrift. I did have them on my inner arms once too. I usually only get 2 - 3 'pairs' at a time, but they ONLY come after a glutening and fade afterwards. They reappear (same place or new places) if I get more gluten. They also show up for casein and yeast (which I have tested IgA positive for an intolerance to). But they are not itchy at all.
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Posted 13 April 2006 - 07:42 PM

Cornbread, those sound like hives.........even though when I get hives, they usually are itchy. But you can get hives from all kinds of different intolerances, I do.
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Intolerant to all lectins (including gluten), nightshades (potatoes, tomatoes, peppers, eggplant) and salicylates.

Asperger Syndrome, Tourette Syndrome, Addison's disease (adrenal insufficiency), hypothyroidism, fatigue syndrome, asthma

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Posted 14 April 2006 - 09:10 AM

The rash you described, Franceen, is just like what I had for a long time, off and on for as long as I can remember, but much, much worse in the past ten years or so. It is so itchy that it drives you nuts to take a shower or bath or work up a sweat doing outdoor work. I got it all over. I started gluten-free in Jan. and little by little the rash disappeared. It like moved up my body, and finally stopped. I know almost immediately when I've been glutened because I get the little blister ones on my face that itch and hurt at the same time. I also get them from dairy. Did anyone here get them inside the mouth? I get them inside the mouth and on my tongue. I've never been officially dx'd with DH, but I really don't think I need to since gluten-free makes it stop. I have had a dermatologist give me prednisone and steroid creme, but they never did a biopsy, since this was before I suspected gluten. Hope you all get to the bottom of it and get relief soon. I know how MISERABLE that rash can be. Especially when you want to sleep. :blink:
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Posted 14 April 2006 - 10:13 AM

Well, I've had my hands full with medical problems the past few days.
Dr. told me to increase my Dapsone to 200 Mg. because the rash was worsening (although different). Last time I did that I got a horrific and DIFFERENT type of rash (hive-like) in places that I had not gotten rash before.
My 2 skin biopsies came back negative for IgA but showed large amount of eonsiphils (allergy reaction).
That led Dr. to do some bigtime bloodwork. (I had Hepatitis A and C 34 and 33 years ago).
My eonisophils were out the roof, and my liver enzymes were also out the roof (3 years ago they were all normal BEFORE this rash). Also have the anemia from Dapsone ("not significant") and awaiting the Thyroid tests.
So they are sending me to a Gastro. next week. Same one I saw 4 years ago that wanted to put me on Interferon treatment and do a biopsy. I did neither and blookwork was normal 1 year later and until now, every year since.
And also believe that I am having a Dapsone Hypersensitivity Syndrom problem. That can be fatal, so I've stopped the Dapsone completely. They told me to stay Gluten Free because the underlying issue could still be DH/Celiac.
(I have not had alcohol since I was 20 and first hepatitis illness, I quit smoking 13 years ago. I don't do pleasure drugs. And I used to eat pretty well. Now, I don't eat very much because gluten-free leaves little I like (except chocolate and steak - and chocolate is GONE TOO). But I'm losing weight (could loose 20 lbs and be good)

I just received the Enterolab Fecal test for IgA, etc.
That should finalize if it's DH/Celiac or not.
I also have York Labs tests for common allergens. That will be interesting too.
Skin tests were probably masked by Allegra, Benedryl, and rash itself. But tested minimally positive for cats, chocolate, chicken, carbomer and of course, dust mites. Hmmm. Have had cats for 45 years (Dr. thinks I've desensitized to that, same with dust mites. Chicken was really a marginal result, leaving just the chocolate to avoid :(

I am really miserable, hungry, tired, itchy, ugly (have to cover my arms & legs to be socially acceptable with this rash). And I have to work too - and travel.
Just a bad day.
Hope tomorrow is better.
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Diagnosed DH by Allergist via gluten-free Diet Success
Gluten-free since Dec 2005
Gluten-free works so why keep getting tests?

Neg skin biopsy & Neg bloodwork after gluten-free for 3 months
No Endoscopy - need to eat gluten for good test & won't do it

No other Allergies or major ailments!



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