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Teeth Grinding And Tmj


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Posted 24 April 2006 - 06:39 AM

Hi Everyone- I have TMJ (I was diagnosed by my ear nose and throat doctor) and I have a mouth guard that I wear at night for teeth grinding. I've been wearing it religiously for the last two months because I noticed that I was waking up with a headache.

I thought it was helping until last night when, with mouth guard in, I was grinding my teeth so loudly that I woke my husband and myself up!

I think two thing may be at play here- I have arthritis in my neck along with a fusion at C4 and C5 and a cervical rib (yep- I've got a rib in my neck! Not funny, Adam :P ). The other thing is I take Celexa, and it is known to cause teeth grinding, and klonopin. I've cut down on both recently and I think that's when it started acting up, but I'm not sure.

I don't know what to do. I was just reading something that said you should wear your mouth guard all day in the beginning (first six weeks).

What do other people do for this? I was wondering if chiropractic treatment might be a good idea. Thanks, Beverly
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Posted 24 April 2006 - 06:51 AM

Hi Bev--I have TMJ Disfunction, too. I was diagnosed by an ENT also. My dentist told me to wear the night guard as much as possible--just remove it to eat, brush teeth, etc at the beginning. I did that for a while--but it got old fast, if you know what I mean! It was hard to talk with it in, but that got easier the more I did it. I just wear it at night now--and not even every night. But if I go too long without using it, the jaw pain and back of the neck headaches tend to come back, too. I think checking with a Chiropractor is a good idea--I saw a Chiro. who was also an accupuncturist. He confirmed the TMJ, and worked primarily on my neck--that's where most of my pain is. Hope you get some relief soon! :)
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Posted 24 April 2006 - 06:55 AM

I also have TMJ with horrible teeth grinding/clenching. I do not have a mouth guard that is fit to my teeth exactly, but I was given a temporary mouth guard to pillow my teeth from grinding. My dentist said that I should wear the guard during the day if I feel stressful (because I clench my teeth when I get stressed). Maybe that would help... I know TMJ can be brought on a lot by stress, so maybe a massage or yes, even the chiropractor would help.

Sometimes, though, my mouth guard does not help and I still feel as though I am in pain. Do you have a mouth guard that is fit to your teeth? Maybe you should call the doctor that diagnosed you, or even see a dentist. Good luck!!
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Posted 24 April 2006 - 06:56 AM

I think - it has been over 15 years - but I think I only wore it at night and while I was resting and not talking, chewing, etc. to teach my mouth the correct position and to stop the headaches.

What you might want to try in the day because the real mouth gards don't allow you to talk (or at least mine didn't), get a sports mouth guard for during the day or evening when you aren't eating/working so that you can talk a little easier. This is what my current dentist suggests to people having problems during the day and to see if that helps before going through getting the real devise. I'm not even sure where mine is or where it ended up but I had problems from my teens on and I can't remember the last time I had one of my dibilitating headaches. I did some damage to my jaw but it isn't too bad yet.

I have had my teeth re-ground about 5 or 6 times since then because my bite had readjusted but once you get the spacing down and the grinding stops, or slows, life is sooooo much better!!!!
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Posted 24 April 2006 - 07:05 AM

OK- I'll give it a shot. The one I have is fit to my teeth specifically and maybe I'll talk less :P

Funny thing was, last night when it was really bad, I had just had a massage! EEK!
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Posted 24 April 2006 - 07:23 AM

Well between my thirty year stint with tmj and my life long clenching and grinding issues. We tried every type of retainer but I would either choke at night or my tongue would flip it out during the day. I ended up breaking two of them before I became adept at catching them in mid air while talking to people. Now, thanks to all of that and Celiac, I don't have many teeth to worry about anymore, but I still have tmj.
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Posted 24 April 2006 - 07:41 AM

I have been wearing a mouth guard for too many years to count. I don't grind, but I clench my teeth during sleep. I had a new cap put in last fall when another tooth broke (love celiac disease) and I tried to force it in and thus cracked it big time. This Thursday I go back to the dentist and pick up my new one to the tune of $400. I can't wait to get it. I wear mine on the top and mine is ultra thin. I have them make mine thinner then usual as I can't stand the thick ones. I have tried a chiro on several occasions, but the neck adjustments always trigger my migraines. I have arthritis real bad in the cervical spine and even tho I really get tired of the neck crunching, I tell my chiro to stay away from the neck. The massage lady also stays away from that area.

Rusla, you are too funny-catching the mouthpieceLOL.

I have found mine, in the morning, in a hotel room, on the headboard. My husband and I have spent many hours on our hands and knees searching a hotel room for it as I would take it off in my sleep and throw it anywhere. We have taken our bedspread, etc. completely off of our bed in search of it. What a pain.

But, I only wear mine at night. When I first started to wear one, I was told to wear it 24/7 for quite awhile and that was an absolute pain. But, I did do it, except, when I wanted to talk and then I would take it out - speak - and then put it back in.
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Posted 24 April 2006 - 07:49 AM

Rusla, you are too funny-catching the mouthpieceLOL.

I have found mine, in the morning, in a hotel room, on the headboard. My husband and I have spent many hours on our hands and knees searching a hotel room for it as I would take it off in my sleep and throw it anywhere. We have taken our bedspread, etc. completely off of our bed in search of it. What a pain.


OM- you guys are hilarious! I had read somewhere that people do throw them out in their sleep and I was like "Whaaaaaat?" but you are living proof. :P

Armetta- I did see a chiro for a long time and it helped with my lower back but it never really helped with my neck. What do you do for your cervical arthritis? I've had it since I was like 20 and I've done PT, chiro, massage and nothing really seems to help long term. Do you take medication for it? Do neck exercises?

Well, I just tried to wear my mouth guard and I hate it but I guess I'll suck it up. :wacko:
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Posted 24 April 2006 - 07:57 AM

Many years ago I had a raging case of TMJ. I treated with a dentist that specialized in this. He made a special splint which I wore all the time and also I had some PT in his office. It got better enough that I could only wear the splint at night for many years to follow. I didn't grind my teet, but I did clench very badly. He wanted to build up my teeth so they all match and I refused (very costly) and I am very glad that I didn't do that. Several years later, a gal in his office admitted as much----that it was really unnecessary to go to those lengths. My advice is not to let any dentist try to talk you into extensive dental work. The splint should do it. In those days, though, they took an impression of your mouth and built you one kind of like they do false teeth. I still have mine and it is in such bad shape. I hope I never have to use it again. The dog got it a couple of times when I took it out and set it on the bed table!!!!!! One more time like that and it will be polished off. Once in awhile I get pain in that area and I just cringe as it reminds me of the terrible headaches and pain that I endured during that stage of my life. This can be so awful and those of you that are going through this stage of your life now, have my enduring sympathy. I will say, though, that I think if you use your splint and do the therapys.....it does seem to be a stage and it will pass. I was young, raising a house full of boys and working...you know the routine. When life smooths out a little it will get better......stress is a HUGE player in TMJ. It is also very closely linked with migraines. Barbara
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Posted 24 April 2006 - 08:00 AM

I've read that stress plays a huge factor in TMJ too and I definitely have flare-ups and times when it is better. I was just sitting here thinking, Oh, what have I got to be stressed about? Then I thought hmm.. I'm having my gall bladder removed, looking for a house, in a PhD program studying for a week long exam, trying to concieve. I can't imagine what I could be stressed about :P
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Posted 24 April 2006 - 08:12 AM

Berneses, I used to wear a soft neck brace in the evenings. When early evening would arrive, the pain would get so bad, that all I wanted to do was just take my head off and set it somewhere. The neck brace would relieve the pain after about an hour. It was great. I still have it somewhere. I have not had to wear it for a couple of years and now all I have is the crunching, which I assume is calcium deposits shifting.
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Posted 24 April 2006 - 08:24 AM

OK- that's good to know. I think I still have my soft brace. Ugh- wish none of us had this pain.
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Posted 24 April 2006 - 08:29 AM

I was trying to count all of auto-immune diseases that I have due to being an undiagnosed Celiac for so long. I have not even listed them all below my signature and maybe will do so in the future. I was reading in Dr. Green's new book that only 3% of the population has auto-immune diseases, but that 30% of Celiacs do. Also that it does not stop at one for us, but adds up to several. Life is great if we don't weaken :blink:
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Morphia Scleroderma
Osteoarthritis
Hypothyroid and Hperthyroid
Essential Tremors
Asthma
Migraines
Fibromyalgia - diag. in 1978 when they called it Fibrositis
PAD Peripheral Artery Disease
Angina and Atrial Fibrillation
Gluten Ataxia
Vitiligo
Scoliosis of the spine (caused by malabsorption and it is horribly painful) This would be enough reason for someone to go gluten free.
Ocular Myastenia Gravis

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Posted 24 April 2006 - 08:32 AM

I had TMJ (really, really bad) for around 7 years and had tried several types of mouth pieces to help subside the pain. I actually had to be on pain meds because it hurt so bad. I have found for me that a upper mouth piece that is very thick helps (I wear it only at night). I have also been seeing a chiropractor for once a week for the last two years. I have had absolutely no pain using these two methods. It may be that you just need to find the right combination that suits you. Good luck!!
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Posted 24 April 2006 - 09:40 AM

I got so good and so fast at catching the retainer when I was talking to someone, all they would see if my hand come up and shut. They never knew I was catching my retainer. I always thought that retainer catching should be an Olympic event.
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Asthma-1969
wheat/ dairy allergies, lactose/casein intolerance-1980
Multiple food, environmental allergies
allergic to all antibiotics except sulpha
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fibromyalgia-1995
egg allergy-1997
msg allergy,gall bladder surgery-1972
Skin Biopsy positive DH-Dec.1 2005, confirmed celiac disease
gluten-free totally since Nov. 28, 2005
Hashimoto's Hypothyroidism- 2005
Pernicious Anemia 1999 (still anemic on and off.)
Osteoporosis Aug. 2006


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