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Posted 01 July 2006 - 04:47 AM

Thanks Nini, Do you get it at a pet store? I will try that. Is it dry food? My cat is older -long-haired and keeps me busy with the litter box. What kind of litter do you use? I used to always be a dog person but they all went to heaven so I'm learning. Hope you are doing well. I know it has been a hard month for you. LindaLee



I get it at the health food store... they have a natural pet section and this is one of the brands of dog and cat food that they have. My dog still eats tons of gluteny food, and occassionally gets "d" but I think her "d" is related to when she gets table scraps...
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Posted 01 July 2006 - 05:10 AM

Do you cook it? He never really cared for people food but lately he will eat a little bite usually from something grilled. I heard not to give a cat garlic-have you? I put garlic on alot. Thanks, LLee

Cooking: It depends what it is.... cheap non free range chicken yes... but free range beef no.
Raw chicken we used to chop up and stick in a little chicken broth ... and cook... by gentle boiling
Seasonings ... nope except when he was a kitten he would try anything ?? chips, bread ... the weirdest things.
Once he was matured he wasn't interested in anything with seasoning, be it garlic or herbs but usually even with a roast chicken we would just wash off the carcass and give it to him whole after we had picked off the human food.

At some point we figured with him eating so much wild stuff there was little point cooking most of it..
I'm sure the good cat food is OK but at least in the UK it was more expensive than offcuts .... and it kinda forces me into the kind of shops I try and avoid like supermarkets... ( I don't not use them I just prefer to buy my fresh produce from a butcher or farmer...)

I always bought my meat direct and butchered it myself (being a country boy) and basically I just saved the bits with gristle running through .. the cat didn't seem to care ... you could give him a poor cut of meat in a big lump and he would just leave the strings of gristle ... etc. in a neat little pile.

I usually found this pretty simple, its just something to get used to... for instance when filleting a chicken breast I would just run the knife a bit deeper down the ligament and that would be the cat pile. Throw it in a chicken broth and boil it gently ...
We were lucky in that our neighbour had two cats and she fed them the same ... so when we went away for a weekend she would just pop in and pop down the same as we did ...

Our next but one neighbour the other side of the cat one was a vet (though large farm animals) and he always said we were crazy but everytime he had to go in for shots he would remark how healthy he was... and comparing our cat and those of our immediate neighbour with his you could see why.

My cat was 14 lbs and no extra fat ... and both the direct neighbours cats were the same ... they used to fight like cats and dogs ... but all three more or less ignored the scrawny vets cat passing through their territory ...like it wasn't a threat at all.

Like you I was a dog person and totally unprapred for cattyness. A dog will always eat if only because YOU have it to them whereas a cat will mostly only eat when it wants.
The cheap cat food contains lots of addictive things (including gluten which cats are just completely unequiped to deal with) so this is why they always pounce on it.

Our cat died of cancer (actually we had to put him down) but I am really glad we let him be a cat.
We had sleepless nights and worries about him getting run over .. we chose our house because it was cat friendly and all but in the end he had what I hope was a good life as close to being a "real cat" as we could.
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Posted 01 July 2006 - 07:46 AM

LindaLee, Both of my cats have celiac, so I use Special Kitty brand from Wal Mart in the green bag. It has to be the green bag, the blue one had wheat last time I looked. Also, probably half of the Special Kitty canned cat food is glutenfree. You have to read the labels, but my cats are doing sssooo much better on a gluten-free diet! I always know when Joie steals a slice of bread, the whole house stinks!
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Posted 01 July 2006 - 08:29 AM

:) That is so great to hear. My dog Baby Ruth-golden retriever-has incredible stinky gas and loose, not liquid but still hard to scoop up (and so gross) stools. I think I will switch her to see if it makes a difference as soon as I use up the case of pedigree. Is Biljack the frozen food? I understand completely about them being your babies. I joke I have 2 handsome sons, but only one daughter-she's quite a dog. :)



Hi Robbin,

Boy do I know what you mean about the stinky farts....Tika's could clear a room, and she doesn't have them AT ALL any more - unless they've been naughty and gotten into something. Bil Jac is dry food, a little more expensive but worth it. And, not as expensive as the Canine ID (intestinal diet) that STILL made her have D.

It IS crazy what the ingredients in pet food are, mostly grains and terrible stuff, as if dogs in the wild would EVER eat grains!

GFP, what a life your cat had. That's fantastic. I know you can feed dogs the same way, but they must eat this way exclusively or they will get pancreatitis (another thing my Tika had).

Well, it's a beautiful morning here, and I am off to take the girls to see their friends at the dog park so they will quit staring at me and then mommy can accomplish things in peace today! :rolleyes:
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Posted 01 July 2006 - 09:16 AM

GFP, what a life your cat had. That's fantastic.

You don't know the half of it ...
He was born in Africa and lived in a few African countries then his first flight to Vienna where he had to stop with his aunty, best pal and her other cat who he never did get on with while I got a job anywhere not the UK.... (because of the quarantine at the time) then he lived In Norway through 2 winters and saw his first snow... quite a shock as he ran out through the balcony window into 4 feet of snow ... and finally quarantine restrictions lifted and I was able to go back to the UK....

I know you can feed dogs the same way, but they must eat this way exclusively or they will get pancreatitis (another thing my Tika had).


Yep dogs are far more adaptive to diet which is good and bad.... once they do get used to it they really need to stick with it. I had a friend in Libya with a huge German Shepard (the largest I have ever seen) and was an ex-East German military dog. He fed her exclusively on meats and would take a whole grilled chicken and take out the two bones from the back of the thighs and she would just crunch the whole thing down in 2-3 bites but she could only do that because he had adopted her very young and trained her digestive system The only dog that ever scared my cat... who at one point in kittenhood decided the best food on earth was the budgie he kept in a huge cage in his garden....
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Posted 01 July 2006 - 09:53 AM

I don't know that any of my pets have/had it, but I have two cats and two dogs and they all get gluten free food because when they have food with gluten, *I* end up getting sick. No - I don't eat their food! I don't know how it gets to me, but it could be through feeding them (reaching into the bag, the dust gets on me, and somehow into my body) or through it being on their fur and getting on me somehow. There was an obvious link to my reacting when the cats got gluteny treats while we were in bed.

And, my one cat who did barf a lot hardly does at all now.

My cats get Science Diet Light/Hairball forumla, and my dogs get Nutro Naturals (or something like that) Chicken and Rice. Nutro has a chicken and rice with wheat in it, but this one doesn't (green bag).

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Posted 01 July 2006 - 10:15 AM

You don't know the half of it ...
He was born in Africa and lived in a few African countries then his first flight to Vienna where he had to stop with his aunty, best pal and her other cat who he never did get on with while I got a job anywhere not the UK.... (because of the quarantine at the time) then he lived In Norway through 2 winters and saw his first snow... quite a shock as he ran out through the balcony window into 4 feet of snow ... and finally quarantine restrictions lifted and I was able to go back to the UK....
Yep dogs are far more adaptive to diet which is good and bad.... once they do get used to it they really need to stick with it. I had a friend in Libya with a huge German Shepard (the largest I have ever seen) and was an ex-East German military dog. He fed her exclusively on meats and would take a whole grilled chicken and take out the two bones from the back of the thighs and she would just crunch the whole thing down in 2-3 bites but she could only do that because he had adopted her very young and trained her digestive system The only dog that ever scared my cat... who at one point in kittenhood decided the best food on earth was the budgie he kept in a huge cage in his garden....


Are you in the military? and citizen of what country? Yup, definitely quite a life for that cat....but oh, the poor budgie. That must have been an elusive and tasty treat.

As for that Libyan German Shepherd....wow, what a diet....it's just SO much easier to scoop the food out of a bag, isn't it? :ph34r:
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Posted 01 July 2006 - 10:30 AM

Are you in the military?

nope even worse, oil

and citizen of what country?

presently France

Yup, definitely quite a life for that cat....but oh, the poor budgie. That must have been an elusive and tasty treat.

As for that Libyan German Shepherd....wow, what a diet....it's just SO much easier to scoop the food out of a bag, isn't it? :ph34r:

I dunno... its like some people find it easier to carry home tins than make something themself for human food as well.
I never found it easier ... when you have the ingredients a pound of minced beef can be whatever you want whereas if you have tins of spagetti sauce or chilli sauce then its pretty much fixed and either way I can make the sauce while i stick the rice/gluten-free pasta pan on and wait for it to boil....
I can never understand people who say its easier .. its just practice and I find it easier picking up a few fresh veg and meat than lugging heavy cans!

Same goes fo the cat ... it was just easier to give it scraps than keep buying packets/tins and have it refuse to eat "real" cat food.

anyway if your interested found some photo's unfortunately earlier ones are with my ex-wife ....


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Posted 01 July 2006 - 10:45 AM

Oh, what a beautiful cat. And so healthy looking as you can tell by the fur. Thank you for sharing.
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Posted 01 July 2006 - 10:54 AM

I had to take a peek--and yes, what a beautiful cat! :)
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Posted 01 July 2006 - 10:55 AM

Yup, gorgeous cat....I miss my fat, healthy, Cookster kitty....17 pounds, tortie-point Himalayan (not purebred).....quite the huntress and lived an amazing life, only sick the last two weeks of her 14 years (liver failure)..... :( When one of my dogs dies I am getting a kitty....so much easier than dogs.

I disagree GFP, I'd rather open a can (for dogs), go to a drive-thru, order up, tear a bag open (for dogs also) ANY day than have to do all this cooking I do now.....I absolutely LOATHE the acquisition and preparation of food, always have, always will....what a terrible and cruel irony Celiac is! Having to CONSTANTLY worry about food and COOK FOOD....the horror......no more just driving through El Pollo or running anywhere to pick up food.....aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! if and when I win the lottery (I guess I have to buy tickets to win :huh: ) I am getting a part-time chef......what joy!

Of course the flip side of this diet is I haven't eaten this way in years....VERY healthy and almost no processed food but how freakin' tedious to steam vegetables every day!! :angry:
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Posted 01 July 2006 - 11:17 AM

Yup, gorgeous cat....I miss my fat, healthy, Cookster kitty....17 pounds, tortie-point Himalayan (not purebred).....quite the huntress and lived an amazing life, only sick the last two weeks of her 14 years (liver failure)..... :( When one of my dogs dies I am getting a kitty....so much easier than dogs.

I disagree GFP, I'd rather open a can (for dogs), go to a drive-thru, order up, tear a bag open (for dogs also) ANY day than have to do all this cooking I do now.....I absolutely LOATHE the acquisition and preparation of food, always have, always will....what a terrible and cruel irony Celiac is! Having to CONSTANTLY worry about food and COOK FOOD....the horror......no more just driving through El Pollo or running anywhere to pick up food.....aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! if and when I win the lottery (I guess I have to buy tickets to win :huh: ) I am getting a part-time chef......what joy!

Of course the flip side of this diet is I haven't eaten this way in years....VERY healthy and almost no processed food but how freakin' tedious to steam vegetables every day!! :angry:

How long have you been gluten-free?
I'm asking because I think cooking is something you get used to.... I mean I would die without my dishwasher but its an aquired perspective. When you base your life around running to El Pollo then you obviously don't stock up but I actually really enjoy food shopping now.

Im not saying it wouldn't be useful sometimes but if you can make it a leisure activity it can be quite fun it just takes planning and attitude.
When i buy food I walk round the market and start thinking what I can make and cooking can be quite rewarding but it helps to have someone to share ... and chat with as Im cooking, when Im alone its much harder....but I rtend to cook 3-4 portions and freeze 2 and put one in the fridge.

The thing is i can whip anything up pretty much from memory so when Im shopping recipees come to mind and I only really buy fresh fruit and vegetables but only because i have done it so long. When I was first diagnosed it was a horror and I would go to supermarkets and practically break down but once i got the knack and stopped trying to find gluten-free substitutes everywhere I started to enjoy it.

What really annoys me is inverse shopping as i call it where I go to find somethig inparticular so now i let the market decide and buy what looks good/fresh instead.
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Posted 01 July 2006 - 11:27 AM

How long have you been gluten-free?
Five months.....was severely malnourished and part of the reason for "instant food " was no STRENGTH or stamina to cook anything except two or three times a week.....

Im not saying it wouldn't be useful sometimes but if you can make it a leisure activity it can be quite fun it just takes planning and attitude.

Yes, I used to enjoy this and would cook for various boyfriends and myself in younger days....but, this involved drinking WINE while doing and as you may have read in another post where I once again bared my soul, have to quit that for a while or forever...... *SNIFF*

What really annoys me is inverse shopping as i call it where I go to find somethig inparticular so now i let the market decide and buy what looks good/fresh instead.


Bien, mais vous habitez EN FRANCE et c'est la.....j'ai oublier (sp?) la mot....that's what everyone does! Vraiment la belle cuisine....ah, to be a Celiac in France, je pense que c'est plus facile?


Ooops - still don't quite know how to do those quotes in between like you all do..... :blink: don't bother explaining, my brain is feeble......
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Posted 01 July 2006 - 02:05 PM

Bien, mais vous habitez EN FRANCE et c'est la.....j'ai oublier (sp?) la mot....that's what everyone does! Vraiment la belle cuisine....ah, to be a Celiac in France, je pense que c'est plus facile?
Ooops - still don't quite know how to do those quotes in between like you all do..... :blink: don't bother explaining, my brain is feeble......

Ahh go-on its not hard you just wrap the word "quote" in square brackets at the front and "/quote" at the end of each quoted bit (can''t write it else it will quote ...) you can be fancier but that will get you off to a good start.

Some things are easier and others harder. Fresh produce is easier I think, unless you live in the sticks in the US and even in Paris I have lots of markets to choose from but awareness is nearly non-existant ....

Haven't read your alcohol post yet... I did notice you had posted on it but if I look I will end up commenting again!
Saw the girlfriend of my bipolar friend last night btw... he has a morbid fear of death and is working in the graveyard .. although not nights... and apparently he's coping really well, given up weed and down to 2 sixpacks a day (and non export at that) although the Dr's keep telling hoim he needs to stop drinking for the medication to work properly ...its still a massive step for him!

When I'm alone and my girlfriend is away I tend to invite friends over .... it helps to have the incentive. Strangely I rarely drink when I cook.... ?? dunno why?
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Posted 11 July 2006 - 05:12 AM

LindaLee, Both of my cats have celiac, so I use Special Kitty brand from Wal Mart in the green bag. It has to be the green bag, the blue one had wheat last time I looked. Also, probably half of the Special Kitty canned cat food is glutenfree. You have to read the labels, but my cats are doing sssooo much better on a gluten-free diet! I always know when Joie steals a slice of bread, the whole house stinks!

I did not get the special kitty green bag it said wheat on it. Which one do you get? Thanks, LLee
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