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Feeling Worse On The Elimination Diet


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#1 emcmaster

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Posted 16 August 2006 - 04:35 PM

I felt great on a gluten-free/cf diet for 3.5 months, but lately I haven't been feeling normal anymore. Not nearly as bad as I used to feel, but not great, either. So I decided to start an elimination diet to hopefully figure out what else I'm intolerant to.

It's only been 2 days, but I actually feel a little worse. Am I just detoxing and it will get better in a few days or is it something else?

Thanks. :)
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Posted 16 August 2006 - 04:49 PM

Elizabeth:

It is very normal to have many ups and down. It took a long time for your body to react to that damage, as well it will take time to heal.

In the beginning it is almost impossible to go cold turkey from Gluten and be informed about all the things you need to avoid. It takes time to educate yourself. Gluten is everywhere.

It also takes time for you to heal enough to know that you have been glutened. Does that make sense? It took me about 7 months to feel better, to feel the effects of being glutened. It took me that long to heal

Be patient and you may need to re-check you shampoos, suppliments, lipsticks or anything that may come into contact with you mouth.

Sometimes, when you feel better, you tend to get a little lax in your diligence. You always want to keep that in check.

Hope you feel better.

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#3 jerseyangel

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Posted 16 August 2006 - 04:58 PM

Hi Elizabeth

How are you going about your elimination diet? When I did mine, I began by just eating the basics--nothing processed and very little sugar.

Each week or so, I would add something back in to see how or if I'd react.

I'm thinking that if you are at the point where you're down to basics (meat, veggies, fruit, water), you may be experiencing some withdrawl--especially if you were eating sugar and caffeine.

Have you added anything back in yet?

Let me know more about where you're at, and maybe I can be of more help.
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Posted 16 August 2006 - 05:32 PM

I'm doing the elimination diet right now too. For the last four days all I have been eating is lean meat, fruit, vegetables, and water. And I have been eating smaller meals too. My stomach feels a lot better, but the rest of my body is very tired...I have no energy and feel really shaky. I figured my body needs some time to adjust. I plan on giving it at least two weeks and see how it goes.

Good luck :)
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Posted 16 August 2006 - 07:22 PM

I did a few foods diet awhile ago---my allergist put me on it. But he didn't give me very much direction or info. So I bought this book by Janice Vickerstaff Joneja, PhD, RDN. (_Dealing with Food Allergies_) She explains everything! (she deals with intolerances + allergies) + gives lots of tips on what to eat on the diet + recipes for the diet. I highly recommend this book.

One of the things she explains----if you have allergies/food sensitivities you might actually feel worse at first. she calls this "serum sickness"---flu-like symptoms can be expected.

hope this helps!
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Posted 16 August 2006 - 08:04 PM

If you're only eating a few things, you may find that you're not getting:
1) enough calories
2) the right protein/carb/fat balance to keep your blood sugar steady
3) enough vitamins/minerals
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Posted 16 August 2006 - 08:09 PM

Hi everyone! Thanks so much for the replies!

I've only been on the elimination diet for 2 days - not long at all. I'm only eating fruits, vegetables and lean meats, which is really hard - I'm craving carbs of any kind! I haven't had anything processed, with the exception of canned in water albacore tuna, and the sugar I'm getting is coming from fruit.

I'm probably jumping the gun and not waiting long enough to see my symptoms disappear.

Thanks for all the support. I've been somewhat depressed because I was very, very bloated and had a lot of stomach pain for years before going gluten-free and now I'm worried that the relief I've felt for the last several months won't be permanant. I know that's just paranoia talking, but it's scary nonetheless.

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Posted 19 August 2006 - 10:17 PM

I'm feeling so dumb right now...I made it through six rough days of the elimination diet and felt like crap for most of it...and I just ate a ton of peanut butter. I feel like my stomach is going to explode. Ugh...I'm going to go throw away the rest of the peanut butter in the house. I'm so bloated right now. No food is worth this...I don't care how good it tastes. I think it will be easier to stick to the diet now. <_<
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Posted 20 August 2006 - 06:57 AM

I'm feeling so dumb right now...I made it through six rough days of the elimination diet and felt like crap for most of it...and I just ate a ton of peanut butter. I feel like my stomach is going to explode. Ugh...I'm going to go throw away the rest of the peanut butter in the house. I'm so bloated right now. No food is worth this...I don't care how good it tastes. I think it will be easier to stick to the diet now. <_<


I'm so sorry sweetie! It's so hard to stick to this diet - I've had moments of temptation where I wanted to have a gluten-free english muffin or make some rice, but I'm sticking it out.

If you ever want to chat, PM me. I'm going through this as well!
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Posted 20 August 2006 - 01:16 PM

I'm so sorry sweetie! It's so hard to stick to this diet - I've had moments of temptation where I wanted to have a gluten-free english muffin or make some rice, but I'm sticking it out.

If you ever want to chat, PM me. I'm going through this as well!




It's been a pretty tough week. My stomach felt sooo much better, but I had no energy at all and was cranky all the time and last night I broke down and had a bite of peanut butter and I could feel it immediately. So I figured if I already felt sick I might as well eat as much as I wanted. So I have eaten two small jars in less than a day :o Maybe I needed this to make it easier to stick to my diet...I'm starting over right now.

Thanks for your help...email or IM me anytime if you need some too B)
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Posted 20 August 2006 - 02:13 PM

I felt great on a gluten-free/cf diet for 3.5 months, but lately I haven't been feeling normal anymore. Not nearly as bad as I used to feel, but not great, either. So I decided to start an elimination diet to hopefully figure out what else I'm intolerant to.

It's only been 2 days, but I actually feel a little worse. Am I just detoxing and it will get better in a few days or is it something else?

Thanks. :)

I felt horrible on the elimination diet too! Now I think I know why. I got my IgG food intolerance test results which showed a major reaction to almonds. I was probably eating more almonds than usual on the elimination diet because it was something I thought was ok. I kept eliminating stuff but hadn't made it to almonds yet. Erg.

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#12 mle_ii

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Posted 22 August 2006 - 03:42 PM

Here's another reason why folks might feel crappy when doing an elimination diet.

Ok, I've heard of Peptides before, but being curious I looked it up on wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia....iki/Polypeptide

While reading it I came across this bit of info:

Digested peptides
Are the result of nonspecific proteolysis as part of the digestive cycle. It has also been documented that, when certain food proteins such as gluten, casein, egg protein and spinach protein are broken down, opioid peptides are formed. These peptides mimic the effects of morphine, and those individuals that are unable to break them down will experience mental illness. These peptides are quite short and are given names such as casomorphine, gluten exorphine and dermorphine. Ultimately digested peptides are ribosomal peptides, although they aren't made on the ribosome of the organism that contains them.

Opioid peptides, now that sounds interesting what is that?
http://en.wikipedia....Opioid_peptides

Brain opioid peptide systems are known to play an important role in motivation, emotion, attachment behaviour, the response to stress and pain, and the control of food intake.

Wow, no wonder it's so hard for some folks to give up breads and dairy. Since a lot of us have issues with gluten, lets take a look at one.
http://en.wikipedia....Gluten_exorphin

The Gluten exorphines are a group of opioid peptides which are formed during digestion of the gluten protein. They are usually broken down into amino acids by digestion enzymes, but in some individuals they are not. They are then accumulated in the body over time and can lead to a peptide poisoning. This is particularly often reported in patients with ADHD, autism and schizophrenia. Gluten exorphines mimick the effects of opiates and therefore influence the mind. This is partly the basis for the Gluten-free, casein-free diet. Withdrawal symptoms are reported in severe cases.

Wow.

Looking into a few of those opioid peptieds led me into some interesting areas as well.

How in the world can Doctors still believe that food plays no role in a lot of our problems? The evidence out there is pretty substantial that it does.

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 12:51 PM

I really want to do the elmination diet but I crave stuff like rice and corn tortillas. I probably eat rice cakes almost every day! I tend to have a lot of difficulty with roughage type stuff (veggies like carrots, spinach, heck all veggies really) and I am a VEGETARIAN (who consumes some tuna). I feel like the rice and corn tortillas "settle" my often upset stomach.

So I have some questions re: the elmination diet.
1. What on earth would I eat (remember I am a vegetarian)?
2. How do you stick to it!?

Any ideas/suggestions would be great. I am so tired of being bloated and having an upset stomach all the time. The only time I feel "good" is right when I wake up in the morning w/nothing in my stomach.
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Posted 25 August 2006 - 12:42 PM

I really want to do the elmination diet but I crave stuff like rice and corn tortillas. I probably eat rice cakes almost every day! I tend to have a lot of difficulty with roughage type stuff (veggies like carrots, spinach, heck all veggies really) and I am a VEGETARIAN (who consumes some tuna). I feel like the rice and corn tortillas "settle" my often upset stomach.

So I have some questions re: the elmination diet.
1. What on earth would I eat (remember I am a vegetarian)?
2. How do you stick to it!?

Any ideas/suggestions would be great. I am so tired of being bloated and having an upset stomach all the time. The only time I feel "good" is right when I wake up in the morning w/nothing in my stomach.



I'm going to leave the big answer up to the experts (if no one answers, PM jerseyangel or Ursula), but here's my $0.02:

If you have trouble with roughage, you might try cooking it really well and pureeing it. That breaks down the fiber into a more managable form for your intestines to digest.

As a vegetarian, you might try eating only well cooked and pureed fruits and veggies until your symptoms disappear and then adding eggs, if you eat them. Eggs are excellent sources of protein.

Another thing it might be, since it sounds like your entire gut is sensitive, is an intolerance to high levels of fat. You might try eating a very low-fat diet for a few days and see if your symptoms improve - I cannot eat more than 25% of my calories from fat in any given meal or I bloat up like a balloon. It seems that a good number of celiacs have fat intolerance problems as well.

Good luck!
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Posted 25 August 2006 - 02:24 PM

Just want to explain something. If you go from a high carb, starchy or high sugar diet to one of meats and veggies you're going to have a couple of weeks of adjustment. Your body is shifting from a high glucose/insulin mode to doing things like converting proteins to glucose and burning dietary fat and body fat. After the conversion process you'll feel better. In fact, you might feel massively better. Stay the course! :D

If you can't handle it, add in a bit of fruit.
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