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Dairy Free Specific Carbohydrate Diet?


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#1 Can'tEvenEatRice!

 
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Posted 20 September 2006 - 01:23 PM

I have read some of the threads about the SCD diet. Can anyone post some links on where to find SCD recipes that do not contain dairy? I know the dairy in the diet is lactose free, but I am going to try to avoid all dairy. I just need some substitutions for the dairy ingredients. I just ordered the Breaking the Vicious Cycle book and I saw that Amazon has a Grain-free cookbook. But again, it is difficult to make the recipes when they call for butter, yogurt, cheese, cream, etc. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
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Posted 21 September 2006 - 02:17 PM

I have read some of the threads about the SCD diet. Can anyone post some links on where to find SCD recipes that do not contain dairy? I know the dairy in the diet is lactose free, but I am going to try to avoid all dairy. I just need some substitutions for the dairy ingredients. I just ordered the Breaking the Vicious Cycle book and I saw that Amazon has a Grain-free cookbook. But again, it is difficult to make the recipes when they call for butter, yogurt, cheese, cream, etc. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!



I find this diet hard to follow being dairy free. Eating the yogurt seems to be key. You can find out how to make the yogurt by using coconut milk or almond milk but I don't know how its done. I only have that advice so invest in a yogurt maker and google yogurt made with other milks like coconut and almond.


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#3 BRUMI1968

 
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Posted 21 September 2006 - 10:36 PM

You might look into the Paleo Diet as an alternative. I didn't want to do specific carb because of dairy either. I think the Paleo diet works pretty well, though sometimes it can be tough to get enough calories, and not eating ANY grains can be difficult out at restaurants (if any of us even go out to restaurants at this point).

there's a book called The Paleo Diet, one called Neanderthin...and some more I don't know the names of. I do it losely and am happy to talk to you about it more if you're interested.
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Posted 21 September 2006 - 11:44 PM

You might look into the Paleo Diet as an alternative. I didn't want to do specific carb because of dairy either. I think the Paleo diet works pretty well, though sometimes it can be tough to get enough calories, and not eating ANY grains can be difficult out at restaurants (if any of us even go out to restaurants at this point).

there's a book called The Paleo Diet, one called Neanderthin...and some more I don't know the names of. I do it losely and am happy to talk to you about it more if you're interested.

Cordain says that all meats should be trimmed very well of fat and, then you turn around and supplement the diet with perilla oil??? This in no way resembles any diet eaten by Paleo people during recent times, nor does the fossil record support this. They always ate the fatty parts. If you don't, you will end up eating way too much protein, yet not taking in enough calories.

Among people who do a diet based on paleo principles, there is the feeling that making it a low fat diet is a compromise he made to keep the diet from getting slammed by the medical establishment. Personally, I would rapidly go into the "rabbit starvation" mode if I ate that little fat and few if any starches.
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Posted 22 September 2006 - 08:10 AM

It is hard sometimes to feel full, but you do get used to it. I was losing weight like crazy, and I don't have it to lose - once I added nut butters and some almond milk in there, my weight evened out.

To be honest, I haven't read the books. I read the principles: fruit, nuts, seeds, non-starchy veggies, and relatively lean meats. I did get his book on Paleo diet for athletes, because I was starting to play tennis...but it didn't mention the fat stuff too much. His approach is overly wordy and scientific when it needent be, in my opinion. I like to understand the way I am eating, but political argument about fat or cholesterol or salt or whatever I find ridiculous - those are the kinds of things that individuals work out for themselves.

I eat meat, usually lean but sometimes not - like bacon - and I eat beef but only grass fed for the omega balance and the fact that it doesn't make cows eat corn which they weren't meant to digest. I actually think right now I'm having a hard time digetsting fats altogether - so my liver must be clogged or something. All of my bm's are floating, and if I mix avocado and beef together, something I loved doing two months ago, my stomach is unhappy like crazy.

I guess my point in suggesting the diet was that it bears a vague similarity. When I quit all grains and all beans, lots of my digestive problems disappeared. I wanted to do the SCD, but don't want to add back any dairy, whether or not it has lactose in it.

Another diet that helped me out quite a bit was the BODY ECOLOGY DIET. It's meant to restore flora and balance in the digestive tract, and she does suggest, after about a year, adding kefir to the diet, which is like yoghurt. I found the diet difficult to maintain for lack of energy, but it did seem to decrease my bloating and get me off sugar entirely.
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Posted 26 September 2006 - 10:45 AM

Bully4You,
Is it worth buying the Paleo diet or should I just scan the web for recipes? I think that diet is for me because I cannot tolerate grains or dairy. Do they make any good Paleo cookbooks? What is a list of safe foods? What am I suppose to avoid?
Thanks for your help!
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Posted 26 September 2006 - 10:48 AM

Bully4You,
Is it worth buying the Paleo diet or should I just scan the web for recipes? I think that diet is for me because I cannot tolerate grains or dairy. Do they make any good Paleo cookbooks? What is a list of safe foods? What am I suppose to avoid?
Thanks for your help!

Don't buy the book. I'm sure they have it at your local library. It's a sure "once read" book.
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Posted 26 September 2006 - 10:57 AM

I haven't seen the Paleo book exactly - I bought one for athletes because at first I was having a bit of trouble with energy levels, and I was starting to play tennis. I think I either adjusted or finished with some yeast die off or something, because I got much better with the energy and the muscle cramps.

I, therefore, am an example of someone who has done it from the Internet, and from common sense.

The gist is, if paleo man could not have eaten it, neither should you. Thus, grains would not have been feasible (can't be eaten raw, and are extremely difficult to harvest if you have hunter/gatherer society), nor legumes of any kind (goodbye hummus), and probably not starchy vegetables, though there is some contention in anthropology circles about this one.

NOT TO EAT:
dairy, beans (including soy), grains, starchy veggies, super fatty meats, sugar, lots of table salt

TO EAT:
veggies, fruits, nuts, seeds, lean meats, fish.

I EAT ALSO:
winter squash (a bit starchy, but frankly, the paleo diet has nothing that feels creamy in it, except nut butters, so I like to whip up some squash soup with apple); ocassional sweet potato.

WHAT TO WATCH FOR:

sugar - it'll hit you like a ton of bricks on this diet. You should avoid sugar. Try stevia, and eating sweet veggies like carmelized onions, summer squash, winter squash, etc. Also, if you eat a lot of dried fruit (which Paleo chick/dude would have), you want to watch out you don't have any yeast problems. It'll feed the yeast. If your yeast is under control, and you don't have diabetes, dried fruits are probably fine. I think you could well get a lot of natural sugar on the paleo diet.

salt - you should use either himalayan crystal salt (which is ultra delicious but spendy) or sea salt. table salt has problems. (this is true for all, not just pelo dieters)

water - you'll get more in the veggies, but you'll need more with all the protein. i'm usually a bit dehydrated - this is some advice of mine I wish I would take myself.


It takes a bit of getting used to. Snacking is perfect, you've got tons of choices on snacking. And if you like veggies, you won't be sad at dinner or lunch either. Breakfast is a bit tough because we're used to having special breakfast food...I have yet to master breakfast, because I think I eat too many eggs.

Also, the only "milk" that works if you put "milk" in your coffee/tea, is almond milk, and it's a bit odd. Again, be careful to get gluten-free almond milk if you do choose to do almond milk.

As to weight gain/loss - watch the nut butters. They're yummy, and they'll help keep the pounds on if you need that (or they have me anyway), but if you want pounds off, you might want to take it easy on them. Lots of calories.

If I think of anything else I'll tell you. But I would google paleo diet and see what you come up with. And then experiment.
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Posted 26 September 2006 - 11:15 AM

I thought of something else, actually. I'd really look into trying raw sauerkraut. It has some of the same good intestinal bacteria as yoghurt, but it's dairy free. It also helps to digest proteins, and is really good, for some reason, for your skin. It's relatively expensive in the store (healthfood store), but you can make it yourself i you have a food processor. I eat it almost every time I have meat - it's good in meat rollups and with chicken, it's good on a hamburger with carmelized onions and avocado. I like it. It does stink though...and your friends/family will doubtlessly make fun of you.
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Posted 27 September 2006 - 08:35 AM

I kinda eat a paleo diet like diet, since I (on top of gluten of course) avoid legumes and nightshades, and dairy, and generally don't eat a lot of grains. So I end up eating a lot of veggies and fruit plus meat and fish. I do have a couple rice cakes for breakfast though but that's all grain I usually have in a day. I was completely sugar free for a while, too, but nowadays I might have some every now and then, if I have some jam for instance.

I don't cut out the fat in meat, and I add liberal amounts of olive oil to my stir frys, and I like to use coconut milk for some things like smoothies. I have actually lost weight! I feel full and satisfied the way I eat though, and my tummy seems happy, too.

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