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Other Causes For Flattened/blunting Of Villi?


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#1 Lisa

 
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Posted 09 October 2006 - 03:03 PM

I have thought of this often. With a possitive dx with endoscope, I am curious about other possible causes of flatten/blunting of villi. There MUST be other causes other than a gluten intollerance. I have tried to do some research, but found nothing.

I have had a very acid stomach for as long as I can remember. During stress periods, it does get worse. Is it possible that severe stomach acid entering into the small intestine could cause the blunting and flattening of the villi. Perhaps it's not Celiac? :huh:

This makes sense to me. Excess acid burning it's way throught my system.

I have been without my Aciphex for several days and I'd dying here, can't breath, can't eat and look like I'm about to give birth. :huh:

Any thoughts here.

Lisa
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Posted 09 October 2006 - 04:58 PM

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Posted 09 October 2006 - 05:01 PM

I have thought of this often. With a possitive dx with endoscope, I am curious about other possible causes of flatten/blunting of villi. There MUST be other causes other than a gluten intollerance. I have tried to do some research, but found nothing.

I have had a very acid stomach for as long as I can remember. During stress periods, it does get worse. Is it possible that severe stomach acid entering into the small intestine could cause the blunting and flattening of the villi. Perhaps it's not Celiac? :huh:

This makes sense to me. Excess acid burning it's way throught my system.

I have been without my Aciphex for several days and I'd dying here, can't breath, can't eat and look like I'm about to give birth. :huh:

Any thoughts here.

Lisa

Someone around here, I think it's Andrea, has an article about how soy intolerance can blunt villi like Celiac can.

Other than that, I know nothing.
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Posted 09 October 2006 - 05:15 PM

Someone around here, I think it's Andrea, has an article about how soy intolerance can blunt villi like Celiac can.

Other than that, I know nothing.


I believe milk products can also do that. I have been finding that the hard way so am staying away for awhile. Luck to you!! evie
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Posted 09 October 2006 - 05:49 PM

I believe milk products can also do that. I have been finding that the hard way so am staying away for awhile. Luck to you!! evie



Hi evie :)

I was going to post the same thing, that somewhere at sometime on the board, I thought, there was a post about dairy/casein's ability to permanently damge the intestinal lining. Not sure about details though?

Am interested to hear others thoughts/info.
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Posted 09 October 2006 - 05:50 PM

:) Hi! So sorry you are suffering. I agree with evie, there was some thread some time ago with the links to studies regarding casein intolerance causing blunting as well. I get the same symptoms from all three-gluten, soy, & dairy.
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Posted 09 October 2006 - 06:24 PM

Here's the Merck Manual on malabsorbtion syndromes.

Notice this is the old edition - under celiac it lists prelavence in the US to be 1 in 5000! (The updated version should be online Oct 14.)

I have a Merck Manual from the 1950s, it's so bad it's funny.
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Posted 09 October 2006 - 06:29 PM

Here's the Merck Manual on malabsorbtion syndromes.

Kelly, thanks, going to bumpt it up. so I can read it n the am.
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Posted 09 October 2006 - 07:34 PM

I did a google search for "intestinal villi damage cause" and found several sites talking about paracites, viral infections, and bacterial infections.

However, the most interesting was this
http://www.badgut.co.....eliac Disease

Which states "Gluten triggers an abnormal immune response and causes the villi of the small intestine to become flattened and altered."

Along that lines, it is possible that anything someone is allergic to.. can cause an abnormal immune response which would cause intestinal damage. Which honestly helps explain a theory I've had about corn for a while now. Anyway.. hope that helps.
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Posted 09 October 2006 - 07:51 PM

According to the book, "Breaking the Vicious Cycle" by Elaine Gottschall, "The flattened or blunted intestinal surface has been reported in innumerable disease states: infectious heptitis, ulcerative colitis, parasitic infections of the intestine including various types of worms and one-celled parasites, kwashiorkor, soy protein intolerance, intolerance to cow's milk protein, intractable diarrhea of infancy, Chron's disease, and bacterial overgrowth of the small intestine".
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Posted 09 October 2006 - 08:10 PM

Lisa, have you tried eating more alkaline foods? Yogurt? These types fight the beasts. They adore sugar.

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 07:05 AM

According to the book, "Breaking the Vicious Cycle" by Elaine Gottschall, "The flattened ot blunted intestinal surface has been reported in innumerable disease states: infectious heptitis, ulcerative colitis, parasitic infections of the intestine including various types of worms and one-celled parasites, kwashiorkor, soy protein intolerance, intolerance to cow's milk protein, intractable diarrhea of infancy, Chron's disease, and bacterial overgrowth of the small intestine".



Thanks for posting this CarrieFaith, very informative quote.
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Posted 10 October 2006 - 08:09 AM

if all this is true----then doesn't this mean that an intestinal biopsy isn't really the "gold standard" for diagnosing celiac?
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Posted 10 October 2006 - 08:21 AM

if all this is true----then doesn't this mean that an intestinal biopsy isn't really the "gold standard" for diagnosing celiac?


Good point!!
I knew that casein intolerance could blunt the villi,but I thought only in very young children.
Very interesting!!
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Posted 10 October 2006 - 07:27 PM

I think that an intestinal biopsy should be complemented by a celiac disease blood test or tests. There are also other tests that could be done such as the celiac disease gene test and the fecal fat test.

My above quote is on page 41 of the book.
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