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Should Celiacs Get Flu Shots?


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#1 acousticmom

 
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Posted 01 January 2007 - 05:31 PM

My 13-year old son had some mysterious stomach pain last month--3 episodes that were very painful, but different from how gluten feels. These he felt almost in his back. The doc gave him belladonna, which helped 2 of the three episodes.

We never figured out what caused those episodes, but at the time almost every family around here had kids sick with one virus or another. (Though nobody else in our family got the flu, so I can't say it was viral, either.)

So I'm wondering, is basic stomach flu worse for celiacs than the general population? Do you get a flu shot, or do the shots contain any fillers or ingredients that might be a concern?


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Posted 01 January 2007 - 05:37 PM

The flu shot is generally safe for celiacs (though not if you have an egg allergy) - vaccine debate aside, but "stomach flus" are usually not flus, in the first place. (They're generally food poisoning of some variety.)
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Posted 01 January 2007 - 06:09 PM

the ful shot is not for the stomach flu it is more for the cold-type flu that effects your upper respritory tract not your stomach

i hope he feels better!
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Posted 01 January 2007 - 07:04 PM

Flu shots generally have mercury and aluminum in them (and other very questionable things). Studies have shown that all these years of flu shots have done nothing to decrease the incidence of deaths from the flu, especially amongst the elderly. They are pretty useless (other than making the pharmaceutical companies super rich). If you eat right and take vitamins to allow your immune system to do its job, you are much less likely to get the flu.

And yes, stomach flu isn't addressed by the flu shots anyway.
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Posted 01 January 2007 - 07:24 PM

Also--wash hands every time you leave a building or come home! (As well as the obvious bathroom times.) This is something that teenage boys rarely do. Purell and wipees do NOT do the job. Purell might kill organisms, but they stay on your hands--and if they make their way to your mouth, your immune system will still be set off.

I did find that not eating out made a HUGE difference in how often we got sick (as in, we DID NOT get sick when we did not eat out). Hmmmm.
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Posted 02 January 2007 - 10:36 AM

[quote name='Ursa Major' date='Jan 1 2007, 07:04 PM' post='251594']
They are pretty useless (other than making the pharmaceutical companies super rich). If you eat right and take vitamins to allow your immune system to do its job, you are much less likely to get the flu.

So are you saying that doctors, nurses, and pharmaceutical companies are all lying and that flu shots do nothing at all to keep you from getting the flu? I don't take the flu shot to prevent death; I do so in hopes of avoiding getting the flu. If you have evidence that flu shots are of no value at all you really should provide the evidence rather than making a blanket "studies have shown" statement.

I know this is just anecdotal, but before 1985 I got the flu two out of five years when I wasn't getting the shot. I've gotten the shot every year since then and have remained flu free for 21 years. Same with my wife.

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Posted 02 January 2007 - 10:39 AM

i have gotten the flu shot every year and i have NEVER gotten the flu before and i can't afford to miss more school than i have to i just use it as a preventative measure so i know i won't get it.

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Posted 02 January 2007 - 11:22 AM

So are you saying that doctors, nurses, and pharmaceutical companies are all lying and that flu shots do nothing at all to keep you from getting the flu? richard



We already KNOW the pharm companies have a long history of lying. There is a an enormous amount of documentation of this. Just look up Polio and SV-40.

Do the doctors and nurses lie? No, I don't believe they are lying. I think they are misinformed.
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Posted 02 January 2007 - 01:56 PM

I think we should stick to the question ... which was, should Celiacs get the flu shot.
Not what is in it, or what you 'think' is in it. Or even whom is informed, or mis-informed.

Celiacs should get the shot if they are NOT allergic to eggs, they don't want the flu ... having said that, I don't think we are more at risk getting the flu, just that a lot of us are under weight, sometimes ill with gluten contamination and have other health problems. Getting flu on top of it just makes things a good deal worse.

And YES I get the shot every year, and have not had the flu since I started. I have no problems from the shot, and certainly don't miss have the flu!
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Posted 02 January 2007 - 02:22 PM

Right on Ursa Major. I ditto everything she said.
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Posted 02 January 2007 - 02:52 PM

I think we should stick to the question ... which was, should Celiacs get the flu shot.
Not what is in it, or what you 'think' is in it. Or even whom is informed, or mis-informed.

Celiacs should get the shot if they are NOT allergic to eggs, they don't want the flu ... having said that, I don't think we are more at risk getting the flu, just that a lot of us are under weight, sometimes ill with gluten contamination and have other health problems. Getting flu on top of it just makes things a good deal worse.


What is actually in the flu shot IS pertinent to whether celiacs (or anybody else) should get it. Mercury IS in any flu shot that is not coming from an individual-dose ampule. That is fact, not debatable. Mercury is dangerous for everybody, but especially to people with autoimmune disorders. And it crosses both the placenta and the blood-brain barrier. You still want to insist that I'm not sticking to the question?

Anecdotal evidence as well as the studies mentioned by Ursa Major, indicate that getting the flu shot not only is not likely to protect you from the flu, but IS likely to screw up your immune system. Having your immune system screwed around with makes things "a good deal worse."

Obviously, some of you here have had good experiences with the flu shot. Just as obviously, MANY of us here have had TERRIBLE experiences with the flu shot and other vaccines.

I'm glad for your sake that you have not had a bad reaction to the flu shot. But I rather suspect that, if YOU had had a severe reaction to it, you might not be insisting that every celiac should get it if they're not allergic to eggs.
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Posted 02 January 2007 - 05:10 PM

Just like the rest of the population each individual should decide whether a flu shot is beneficial to their health. After a bad bout of the flu about ten years ago I try (I have missed a couple of years) to get a flu shot each year. Other than a sore arm for a couple of days I have never had a problem. I have also be flu free.
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Posted 02 January 2007 - 06:35 PM

acousticmom,
to answer your question-about if Celiacs get the flu worse-no, they should not. As long as they are on a strict gluten free diet and are not having complications from being glutened, their everyday life *should* be the same. That is the joy of being a Celiac (yes, I said joy!) - it is one of the few diseases-autoimmune, at that!- that we know the trigger, and taking the trigger out solves the majority of problems (for most people). So no, getting the flu would not be any worse BECAUSE we are Celiacs.
Now, it can be frustrating trying to find comfort food, and double checking medicines, but thats another issue :)
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Posted 02 January 2007 - 06:40 PM

On a related note, it is suspected that celiacs are more prone to blood borne pneumonia and hence it is recommended that they get the pneumovax. The pneumovax, like the flu shot, is not designed to prevent you from ever getting the infection that is being vaccinated against, but rather to introduce the immune system to the offender ahead of time, in a controlled manner, so that infection is less severe, thus reducing the risk of life-threatening complications. Usually, life threatening complications is something to worry about only is you are particularly susceptible to something - such as asthmatics or the immuno-compromised with respiratory infections, or - apparently - celiacs with the blood borne pneumonias.
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Posted 02 January 2007 - 07:28 PM

Okay, Richard, you want evidence and studies? Here are a few that are fairly eye opening.

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Okay, I could post about 60,000 more, but I think this will do.
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Intolerant to all lectins (including gluten), nightshades (potatoes, tomatoes, peppers, eggplant) and salicylates.

Asperger Syndrome, Tourette Syndrome, Addison's disease (adrenal insufficiency), hypothyroidism, fatigue syndrome, asthma

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