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Soy Problem Or Too Much Margaine?


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#1 Alexolua

 
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Posted 05 September 2004 - 11:03 PM

I wasn't sure where this should go, think it fit a few areas.. so I went with coping. Sorry if bad! =)

Okay, I found Shedd's Willow Run Soybean Margarine on a like two different sites for gluten-free/CF diets.. and looking at what's in it, didnt' see any problems. So got it! Been using it for awhile now, maybe.. errm 3-4 weeks?

Anyway, last Monday night, then Tuesday night.. it felt like I was having my usual reaction to diary. Though my body could react to other things in the same way, perhaps.. lol.

The only thing I could think of that could have caused this, was the margarine. Since I ended up haveing a lot of it Sunday and Monday at dinner. Sunday, gluten-free "buttered" noddles, and corn on the comb with it too. Monday, salt potatoes dipped it (sooo yummy). So I'm thinking maybe I have a problem with Soy?

But.. my mom said maybe I just had too much margarine for my system to handle. Seems pausible too?

I did call Shedd up, lady was real nice. Didn't sound like there was any cross contamination issues.. but.. it didn't feel we were entirely on the same wave length. So not sure.

Another odd thing is.. well, odd.. but good. Since last sunday, it feels like I may be finally making improvements on the diet! Which would be great. Though been feeling worse too at the same time, kinda.. that's the odd part. And I'm thinking if I have problems with Soy, I shouldn't be improving? lol

Oh well, so question.. anyone know of a gluten-free/CF Soy milk? I think the best way to find out if soy is bad, is to just drink a nice big glass and see what happens.

Soooo hoping maybe it was just too much margarine for my system to take. I'd cry if soy was bad. And the Shedd's Willow Run Soybean Margarine.. ugh.. it tastes like butter to me.. it's so yummy, LOL. Though could be contaminated too.. maybe, I dunno. Soy test first, then we'll see where to go from there.

Okay, somewhat asking questions, somewhat whining. =D
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#2 tarnalberry

 
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Posted 06 September 2004 - 07:49 AM

Silk is gluten-free/CF. You might try eliminating soy for a few days, then adding it back in with a vengance to see if it's bothering you.
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#3 Alexolua

 
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Posted 06 September 2004 - 10:13 AM

Yeah that's what I was thinking Tiffany. And thanks, I'll try out silk. =)
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Posted 09 September 2004 - 11:51 AM

Have you thought about corn? I can't eat it. It is a grain, isn't it? I ussually have a little different symtoms from eating corn than gluten. I ussually itch. Just an idea.
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Posted 09 September 2004 - 01:41 PM

After eliminating gluten, I discovered I have similar responses to corn, soy bean , and peanut products - this in additon to lactose/casien intollerance. Even the small amount in the completely lactose free margarins make me sick. I use olive oil for all cooking and am trying to eliminate the need for anything else. I have not figured out how to bake without it though so right now I am trying to do without.

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Posted 09 September 2004 - 04:49 PM

Alexolua: My gastrointestinal 'soy' symptoms are just like my dairy symptoms, except less severe and shorter in duration. Also I don't get the sinus and regularity symptoms with soy like I do with dairy. My gluten reaction symptoms are definitely different from dairy in duration, intensity and type of gastrointestinal pain. So I agree with all the previous posts: abstain from soy for a while and then test with soy milk. You probably won't need much after you have abstained to have a reaction, so just buy a small container for your test. ;)
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#7 Alexolua

 
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Posted 14 September 2004 - 12:23 PM

Thanks for the comments all.

Well I tried testing it out, and unfortunately my body doesn't want to be helpful!!

Burdee, I actually drank a TON of soy milk, hehe.

But.. I'm not sure if I'm having a reaction or not. If I am, it's nothing at all like I had to the Soybean Margarine. Not nearly as bad. Which doesn't make sense, since if I have a problem with soy, a ton should enduce a worse reaction, right? o.O

Seems mostly like some cramping, gassiness.. and I stayed up really late last night to gauge things, and it just went away.. had no problem sitting here at the computer. The Soybean Margarine reaction I got wouldn't have allowed me to stay here for hours with no problem. I would have felt an urge to go poo poo quite a bit.. even if nothing came out! lol

And since I'm still having lots of symptons.. despite the Gluten-free Casein-free diet, I may not even be having any reaction at all! Ugh.

So, I guess.. try to avoid soy again for a bit, drink more soy milk.. and see if the same things happen.

Maybe the Soybean Margarine might have some casein in it? Or maybe, I had too much of it for my system to handle. Cuz I'd guess that stuff is quite greasy!

I do think my reaction to nuts and casein is about the same though. Gluten reactions? Eh.. dunno. Gluten wise, my reaction was just a slow worsening health.. lol. Not sure what the reaction is now. Haven't tried testing it.

Maybe I'll need an uber-strict diet.. then try adding things in. Ugh!
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Posted 15 September 2004 - 07:55 PM

my soy reaction is a combination of my gluten (stabbing tummy pains) and casein (ridiculous headache) reactions.

I only figured this out after suddenly adding a bunch of soy filled gluten-free food into my diet... ie soy at every meal for a few days and ending up feeling terrible, and then taking it out again and feeling better. Before this "soy binge", I was eating soy every once in a while and sometimes feeling bad after, sometimes not.

Good luck figuring it out, try to be patient with it all.
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Posted 15 September 2004 - 08:23 PM

Alex: I wanted to share more of my 'soy' experience and how that convinced me I have soy problems. OK, I already said I substituted a LOT of different soy products when I learned I couldn't have dairy. Even without dairy or gluten I had symptoms which strongly resembled my dairy symptoms. So I went off soy for a week or so. However, I really thought I would 'get over' the soy problem after a short period, so I kept trying small amounts of soy after every few weeks, like a canola based margarine with a tiny bit of soy which gave me just as intense reactions. Then I tried a gluten-free/CF chocolate with a small amount of soy a few weeks later ... same reaction. Then I consumed a snack bar with a VERY tiny amount of soy another few weeks later ... same reaction. I'm convinced now. ;)

I suspect your reactions of cramping and gassiness were 'intolerance' reactions. My soy reaction was NEVER as intense as my dairy or my gluten reaction. Since I really want my intestines to heal, I regard even mild versions of my symptoms as signals to avoid that ingredient for awhile. Also reading Ron Hoggan's comments (in 'Dangerous Grains') about gluten, dairy and soy being 'diabetogenic foods' and my family history of diabetes (father, grandmother, greatgrandmother, etc.) influenced my decision to avoid soy until I feel healthy for six months or so.
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#10 Alexolua

 
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Posted 15 September 2004 - 10:36 PM

Burdee, I actually had what I'd call my normal reaction.. Tuesday night!! Argh. Had the Soy on Sunday.. so maybe it was just really delayed, and the things I felt before hand, were added.

Though I was an idiot and had something Monday night that might have containned traces of nuts too.. lol.

So, think I just need to really eliminate everything, and try the challenges.. ugh. Though I have been having foods with soy in them, without any real reaction either.. like a cookie here or there. But maybe that's enough to slow the healing too, even if I don't notice anything different.

But I would like to start feeling better already!! So.. guess it might be harder than the ol' gluten-free/CF diet.. =)
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