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Wheat / Corn Vinegar, And Alcohol.


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#1 JennGFCF

 
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Posted 03 March 2007 - 09:51 PM

Hi,

I'm new here. I have Celiac disease, and an intense corn intolerance. I'd like to know if anyone here also experiences feeling lousy after eating anything with white vinegar in it, or from drinking grain based alcohol. I've noticed that I tend to feel sick after ingesting any of those.
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Posted 04 March 2007 - 12:12 AM

Hi,

I'm new here. I have Celiac disease, and an intense corn intolerance. I'd like to know if anyone here also experiences feeling lousy after eating anything with white vinegar in it, or from drinking grain based alcohol. I've noticed that I tend to feel sick after ingesting any of those.

Dear JennGFCF,
I have experienced this as well. I tolerate corn, but not corn syrup. It makes me feel blah afterwards. I don't know if it is just too sweet, or what. Grain derived alcohol is something you need to completely avoid unless it is labeled gluten free. Japanese Mirin is a rice wine. It should be safe, but it never hurts to look up brands to be sure. I cannot live without Chinese food, so when I thought I was never going to be able to find a gluten free sherry for the marinade (it is equal parts soy sauce to equal parts sherry) I was very upset. It turns out, Holland House sold at Wal-Mart is labeled gluten free. It is by the vinegars. I believe you could have an overgrowth of yeast in your system causing the sensitivity to vinegar and corn. Corn is high in carbohydrate, and sometimes high carbohydrate foods make you ill if you have an overgrowth of yeast in your system. I have that. I get terrible reflux from vinegar much of the time. Two lousy sips of alcohol used to make me feel like I had a fireball in my stomach, and it would ache all night afterward before I went gluten free. Alcohol tends to irritate yeast overgrowth as well. One way to tell if you could have an overgrowth of Candida is if you have been on a lot of antibiotics, (recently or in the past), have taken birth control, given birth, and/or been on steroids of any kind, including those for asthma. I hope this helps.
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Posted 04 March 2007 - 10:01 AM

Grain alcohol bothers some celiacs and not others. Potato vodka, rum, tequila, most wine do not have gluten. You might stick with those.

I don't think distilled vinegar bothers me, but to tell the truth, the ONLY time I would ever have it is if it was in a salad dressing, and I make all my own dressings at home.

Things that are labeled "vinegar" and it does not specify, is apple cider vinegar.
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Posted 04 March 2007 - 11:55 AM

White vinegar is generally corn-based, so if you have a problem with corn, you should not be eating it. That would be why you are feeling sick after eating it!
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Posted 04 March 2007 - 02:16 PM

Grain alcohol bothers some celiacs and not others. Potato vodka, rum, tequila, most wine do not have gluten. You might stick with those.


Thats great to know. Thank you. I was warned off red wine which is my favourite choice unfortunately. I've actually seriously thought of brewing my own buckwheat beer lately! :lol:
And I have shelved the idea of picking up some gluten-free beers here in Britain -- with carriage the cost is something like 30 ($90's) for 12 bottles. Yeah I'm still having trouble converting the change!

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Posted 04 March 2007 - 02:20 PM

Marcus, I've drank red wine with no problem, so I know it doesn't apply to all red wines. I guess you could check your favorites to be sure. I'm with you, I don't like white wine and even drink red wine with fish! :lol:

Too bad there's not a good gluten-free beer there. My husband likes Budweiser's new Redbridge, and he doesn't have to be gluten-free.
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Posted 04 March 2007 - 02:22 PM

White vinegar is generally corn-based, so if you have a problem with corn, you should not be eating it. That would be why you are feeling sick after eating it!


I was not aware of that! Hhhhmmmm
Explains loads tho'! Would you know if coeliacs become more tolerant of corn once they get over the glutening and are utterly wheat-free? I'd love to be able to introduce corn back into my diet. Not to mention popcorn. From curiosity, can you suggest an alternative to corn syrup for candy making and baking? Honey?

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Posted 04 March 2007 - 02:31 PM

Marcus, I've drank red wine with no problem, so I know it doesn't apply to all red wines. I guess you could check your favorites to be sure. I'm with you, I don't like white wine and even drink red wine with fish! :lol:

Too bad there's not a good gluten-free beer there. My husband likes Budweiser's new Redbridge, and he doesn't have to be gluten-free.


Oh I must treat myself soon! It's been years! Years I tell you. And I did the same with fish! Oh I'm drooling! Maybe a nice California or Chilean if I can track one down. Woot that means -- wine jelly with the left overs! (Don't ask, out of fashion for decades). Although the likes of us don't need more than just a fraction of something to set us off huh?

Well I'm not sure about the beers here. When I first got over everything tasted so weird especially the Bud's then I discovered they were brewed in Belgium AND a coeliac. Your husband is a very lucky man. Eyeballing the links a pal sent me they featured cherry beer and chestnut beer both gluten-free. Sometimes just saying "no" is much safer.
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Posted 04 March 2007 - 03:30 PM

...Would you know if coeliacs become more tolerant of corn once they get over the glutening and are utterly wheat-free? I'd love to be able to introduce corn back into my diet. Not to mention popcorn. From curiosity, can you suggest an alternative to corn syrup for candy making and baking? Honey?

Marcus.


First - sorry to report in my case that my corn sensitivity has never reduced, and I've been gluten-free for almost 10 years. :(

As for the candy making - I add a 1/2 tsp or so of lemon juice to the sugar mixture. The corn syrup has a different sugar molecule, and doesn't crystallize as easily, so that is why a small amount is added to most candy recipes. The Lemon juice will break down some of the sugar into the other form, and help avoid crystallization. I make a lot of my own candy, especially around Christmas, (marshmallows, brittle, caramel, Mmmm...), and have a good success with the lemon juice. Don't add too much, or you will notice the taste. but hey - even lemony marshmallows are better than corn-laced ones! :P

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Posted 04 March 2007 - 03:41 PM

First - sorry to report in my case that my corn sensitivity has never reduced, and I've been gluten-free for almost 10 years. :(

As for the candy making - I add a 1/2 tsp or so of lemon juice to the sugar mixture. The corn syrup has a different sugar molecule, and doesn't crystallize as easily, so that is why a small amount is added to most candy recipes. The Lemon juice will break down some of the sugar into the other form, and help avoid crystallization. I make a lot of my own candy, especially around Christmas, (marshmallows, brittle, caramel, Mmmm...), and have a good success with the lemon juice. Don't add too much, or you will notice the taste. but hey - even lemony marshmallows are better than corn-laced ones! :P

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Good tip there on the lemon juice. Hey I like lemons and don't mind the flavour, Oranges are verbooten but limes, lemons and grapefuits are fine. I hear you. The marshmallows here have wheat in the readily available ones so it hasn't featured on the list either. And I recently got a gluten-free recipe too.

Too bad about the corn. :( :( I really miss popcorn, corn wraps and Fritos. The Indians do a puffed rice and I've been wondering whether I could tweak that into a savoury snack with cheese melted over it, although the idea of puffing the rice sort of boggles me.

Speaking of corn syrups and sweeteners -- you should see the list of ingredients on a "squash" here. Instant death! I stop breathing the moment the stuff touches my lips.
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Posted 04 March 2007 - 03:50 PM

I think it varies based on the person...some Celiacs have no other food issues, some have concurent and long term allergies/intolerances, and some develop them and they stay/others have them and they leave. At one point I was intolerant to just about everything, including corn.

If you are truly having trouble with any corn, be aware the corn can be cross contaminated with corn, and is generally not safe for those who are truly allergic to corn.

There are a couple threads on this board about corn, for more information. You can also check out www.cornallergens.com and they have great information including what corn derivatives are out there, but this is mainly American based info.

Wines are almost always gluten free, but I can't speak to their corn free status. They can be made with all kinds of things, including eggs, casein, etc (i.e., other allergens) and they aren't listed, so I don't know how you would find out about corn and wine.
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Posted 04 March 2007 - 04:00 PM

Oh I must treat myself soon! It's been years! Years I tell you. And I did the same with fish! Oh I'm drooling! Maybe a nice California or Chilean if I can track one down. Woot that means -- wine jelly with the left overs! (Don't ask, out of fashion for decades). Although the likes of us don't need more than just a fraction of something to set us off huh?

Well I'm not sure about the beers here. When I first got over everything tasted so weird especially the Bud's then I discovered they were brewed in Belgium AND a coeliac. Your husband is a very lucky man. Eyeballing the links a pal sent me they featured cherry beer and chestnut beer both gluten-free. Sometimes just saying "no" is much safer.


Thank you ... and enjoy the wine! Yes, and just a fraction can set us off, that's for sure!

I, thankfully, do not have a problem with corn ... but believe it or not, I can't have alcohol! (nothing to do with gluten intolerance, has to do with medications and Lyme).

Nice picture. :)
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Posted 04 March 2007 - 05:00 PM

White vinegar is generally corn-based, so if you have a problem with corn, you should not be eating it. That would be why you are feeling sick after eating it!


That's interesting, because I can drink red wine. It doesn't make me sick.
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Posted 04 March 2007 - 05:02 PM

Good tip there on the lemon juice. Hey I like lemons and don't mind the flavour, Oranges are verbooten but limes, lemons and grapefuits are fine. I hear you. The marshmallows here have wheat in the readily available ones so it hasn't featured on the list either. And I recently got a gluten-free recipe too.

Too bad about the corn. :( :( I really miss popcorn, corn wraps and Fritos. The Indians do a puffed rice and I've been wondering whether I could tweak that into a savoury snack with cheese melted over it, although the idea of puffing the rice sort of boggles me.

Speaking of corn syrups and sweeteners -- you should see the list of ingredients on a "squash" here. Instant death! I stop breathing the moment the stuff touches my lips.


I've never heard of corn wine. Most wine is made from grapes alone. As for corn syrup, I completely avoid it, too. It's really bad stuff.
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Posted 04 March 2007 - 05:19 PM

Thank you ... and enjoy the wine! I can't have alcohol! (nothing to do with gluten intolerance, has to do with medications and Lyme).

Nice picture. :)



Sorry about the Lyme's Disease! :( Nasty!
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