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(1) When you finally get up the nerve to tell your doc about your embarassing symptoms of gas, bloating, constipation and excruciating gut pain, she tells you "Oh, that's just IBS". Everybody your age gets IBS."

(2) When you ask how to treat IBS, she hands you a diet sheet which recommends you eat more fiber, but especially WHEAT bran.

(3) When you follow her 'IBS' diet sheet suggestions and your symptoms get WORSE, not better, she says, "You'll have to learn to live with it. There's nothing else we can do."

(4) Your doctor wants to test you for all the diseases for which you have no risk factors (like breast cancer, heart disease, etc.), but can't explain or resolve your excruciating gut pain symptoms.

(5) Your doctor tells you that you're perfectly healthy according to your physical exam and test results.

My doctor has said ALL of those exact things to me. I haven't been diagnosed yet, but have another appointment with him at the end of the month. The other times I went to him I had never heard of Celiac. Now I'm doing my homework, and making myself sick eating gluten! I'm hoping I can talk him into doing the blood panel.

I've found a Gastroenterologist that has been recommended, so will ask my internest for a referral as well.

Michelle

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For my complaints of dumping immediately after taking a bite of food, my primary care doctor did two things, gave me zelnorm, which is for constipation and told me that I was depressed, it was my nerves, and that I had IBS. He managed to get me to take paxil with no results, then zoloft which made it so much worse that I could not even eat one bite of food in the am and travel by car to work without having an accident. I had to wait all day long until I got home to eat, to where I could be near a toilet.

He kept trying different antidepressants, all with no results. I refused them after awhile and still he kept trying. Even though he never said it, looking back, I realize now that he thought I was some kind of a nut case. Our twenty year relationship ended when his office sent me a certified letter stating that it was no longer beneficial for him to be my doctor.

The only good thing that he did for me was to send me to a GI doctor who prescribed Cholestyramine which helped enough with the D that I could have enough time after eating to get to the bathroom, in most cases.

By that time I was so worn down and mentally confused due to fatigue and other symptoms that I didn't have the wherewithal to even keep track of doctor's appointments. The GI doctor insisted that I needed a test, which I have no clue to this day what the test was, and I kept dragging myself out of bed and going on the wrong day. I would go a few days in advance or a few days after the scheduled appt. I never got that test.

I then went through a sleeping spell that lasted for over 6 weeks, only rising to use the restroom and eating very little as everything made me sick.

Went to another doctor who told me I had EBV and low thyroid.

By this time, my extended family had drawn the conclusion that I was just lazy and were very unhappy with me because I could not drag myself out of bed to go visit them or do things with them. My brother washed his hands of me at that time.........and still won't speak to me because he wanted to have a big dinner for my birthday and I told him that I was too sick to come.

My new doctor listened to my entire laundry list of complaints, including the fact that my memory has deteriorated so badly that while on the way to his office I could not even remember where I was going at all for a few moments, and to his credit did not try to put me on antidepressants but started running blood tests. They came back as extremely low folate and low thyroid.

I have discussed the likelihood that I have Celiac disease with him but so far as I am aware, he has yet to order any blood tests for that nor has he referred me to a specialist in that field. He did however refer me to an allergist. The results where that out of 64 things tested for including, trees, grasses, molds and foods that I am allergic to all but 7. Beef, pork, chicken, fish, egg whites, garlic and saline are my safe foods.

When the test results came back on all of that he exclaimed with happiness, "See, it's not all in your head after all, you have a real problem". I had never indicated that it was all in my head. I had told the man that I have had chronic D for 12 years now and was suffering from extreme fatigue to where I could sleep around the clock and that my stomach was constantly bloated and felt as if it were on fire with infection at times, which I believed was altering my ability to absorb proper nutrients to the point that I was losing cognitive ability.

On my own I have gone gluten free, but it is particularly difficult when you are allergic to all grasses including rice. I have lived on cabbage soup, roast beef, scrambled eggs, green beans, pineapple and chicken for the last several months. The D is gone for the first time in 12 years.

This guy seems to want to help, but really knows so little, but is not really wanting to refer me to a specialist, as he seems to want to try to figure it out himself. If he will refer me to someone who can help I will keep him for my primary physician but if he won't, I am going to have to go doctor shopping yet again.

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5) First Gi when you were 16 did the upper and lower gi x rays and prononced your daily vomiting and diaherra for the last 2 years as possible complication from your appendectomy at age 14 and that being female, you were high strung and until you learned to handle stress would have diaherra. and then proceeded to do nothing for either possible problem

4) Second gi at age 18 after 4 years of on and off weekly if not almost daily diaherra seconds the first gi's opinion and adds if you were male I would rerun the tests but since you are female that automatically increases your inability to handle stress and you need to learn to chill. Go camping! Nature's relaxing. (not when you are pooping behind every tree on the trail!!)

3)after a major issue that winds up dx you with fibromyalgae(SP?) they inform you the "muslce relaxers" they are prescribe are anti-deppressants and that will not only cure your muscle aches but make you sleep at night and finally clear up that ongoing stomach issue since it will automatically help control your stress by making you feel happy

2) DIrect quote from a real practicing md who still is practicing - "everybody has problems, I have a bad back and can't do some things, my nurse has bad knees (she was the biggest woman I have ever seen in person even now years later) and you well you just internalize stress in your gut. At least it's not your heart or you would probably be dead by now." No joke sherlock !!! I'm just slowly dying

1) and From the baby's ped gi who just recently after interviewing him and getting all the right answers about Celiac being under diagnosed, a patchy disease that biopsies easily miss, you can be neg now and positive in a year or two or even longer, and that the biopsy can't rule it out completely back pedals and informs us that the biospy shows that she has absolutely no problem with wheat but lactose instead. Put her on wheat and take out the diary, she'll be perfectly fine in 2 weeks!

Oh and my all time favorite "according to your labs and tests, you are perfectly fine and shouldn't be sick" Gee reckon my body didn't understand the test results.

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1. Doctor (1) orders barium enema at age 16. Shows nothing. No ideas as to how to feel better and not go to bathroom so much.

2. Doctor (2) orders barium enema, gallbladder ultrasound, sigmoidoscopy, and pap smear. No ideas as to what is wrong.

3. Doctor (3) says I am under stress and begins telling me about her own problems and how stress can make you sick. Sends me to psychiatrist.

4. Psychatrist, after several visits and I explain I can't afford him, sends me to his psychologist co-hort.

5. Psychologist tells me to "let go" and relieve the stress, giving me the example of herself. She stopped shaving her armpits b/c she didn't want to conform to what others ideas dictate.

I can add more reasons to find another doctor but the post would be too long. Even though I now have a celiac familiar GI, I still disagree with him on some issues. He told my son that sinus problems could not be a symptom of celiac. My son did not want me to go into the office with him, b/c he was 21 at the time, but I think he was a little intimidated and frustrated with me b/c I told him to tell the GI everything and some of it was brushed off.

Sorry, I may be getting off topic here.

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I had D for so many years, I really, truly thought it was just normal for me! Gas, bloating, D were all "normal". The anemia was just "normal" since I was a woman. Uh, in case you didn't read the notes or LISTEN to me, I had a hysterectomy 10 years ago. I sincerely doubt I am having heavy menstral bleeding.

If I had a dollar for every time I heard "your results are normal, it's just stress (or in your head)" I could live next door to Bill Gates.

Finally found a doctor who listens, understands nutrition and works to find the problems. I would never have thought of celiac disease because of being told for so many years that it was "normal" for me to have constant D. :angry: Just like it was "normal" for me to have constant fatigue, no energy, hair loss, extreme weight gain (after extreme loss), rabid mood swings (yes, I mean rabid, not rapid), severe anemia, headaches, blurred vision, brain fog, etc., etc. ("You're just over-reacting to the death of your father. Take some anti-depressants and you'll be fine." - No, I wasn't fine. I just wound up sleeping more and not being able to get to the b-room in time. :( )

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when you can't get an appointment to see your or any other doctor because you can just email your symptoms! <_<

When after doing this the Dr replies by email that it can't be celiac because the single tTg test taken 18 months ago (before symptoms got worse) was negative and there are no other tests! :o

When the Dr. says to come back if you continue to have swelling/breathing difficulty/hives but it's nothing to do with gluten because the test has to be posative. :huh:

when you email symptoms and the system cuts out after two paragraphs and you still can't get an appointment. :angry:

When the nurse in ER (contrary to the dr you see afterwards) tells you that despite what the dr says, if you feel better gluten free, then it probably is celiac! :lol:

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Somewhere earlier in this thread it was said that this was the scariest thread ever. I have to agree. I also have to report that my Mom was once told that "it's all in your head." Turns out she had had a series of minor heart attacks! :o

I do hope the medical students keep track of this thread and get their classmates to care enough to listen to the patients and solve the problem instead of prescribing something - anything - so the patient goes away within the allotted 15 minute time slot.

It seems that no matter what chronic ailment you have "it's all in your head" gets used when it shouldn't. Besides my mom, I have heard others with chronic fatigue hear this all the time. A man at church has heard it many times and he has multiple problems.

I have heard that that in China you pay the doctor when you are well and don't pay as long as you stay sick. That way it is in the doctor's best interests to make you well and keep you that way. I don't know it that's true or not, but I like that idea! :)

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The first doctor I saw about my celiac symptoms: "Maybe you just need a hamburger" (I was vegetarian at the time), "IgA Ttg is the only blood test for celiac", and after I told him that it *wasn't* and told him exactly which tests he should have ran, he handed me a computer printout and told me to "go do your homework and you can call if there's something too hard for you to figure out". Um, yeah. I'm a grad student in biophysics. I think I can figure it out.

And the classic: "you clearly have IBS, just take these fiber supplements and you'll be fine".

And lots of "have you considered that you might be depressed/under a lot of stress? Let me make an appointment with mental health...."

I'm slightly amazed that I still go to the doctor at all anymore :-p

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I wonder if we should print out and send this to the AMA, Congress and the head of every major medical facility and school? So many stories of so much pain, so many dollars spent, lives stunted and cut short, I wonder if they would listen.

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I wonder if we should print out and send this to the AMA, Congress and the head of every major medical facility and school? So many stories of so much pain, so many dollars spent, lives stunted and cut short, I wonder if they would listen.

Ya know, it would be a bit pricey, but that ain't a bad idea. If even ONE paid attention it might be worth it.

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I have read everybody's posts, and if it weren't so sad it'd be hysterical. Of course, I have an inappropriate laughter response anyway, but...

Okay, I must admit, my doctor was a lovely man who wanted to do a colonoscopy from the start. Three months later I was miserable enough to agree to it and was confirmed celiac by biopsy. Total time with horrible stomach pain--on an off for five months before diagnosis. However, now I know why I'm so short, never had any muscle, always needed more sleep, etc.

Having had a friend with it, I knew what was Celiac disease was. I was in such denial that I made him show me the lab results twice and prove why it was what he said. When it finally sunk in, I looked at him and said, "But I don't want to have that!" To his credit, he patted my hand and said, "I know, sweetie."

So for this thread I am going to "borrow" my friend's doctor horror story: He said, "You have IBS. Lots of people get it. GET OVER IT."

Lol, I can't imagine saying that to someone, much less someone who paid to come see me.

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Primary care doc freaking out because I ditched the rheumatologist he referred to explains to me that food intolerances and systemic candida infections are made up by doctors so they can write books to offset the losses they face with lower reimbursements due to the current situation with insurance companies. He tells me that there is no way that my dietary change made my arthritis go away, that it doesn't matter that there was no evidence of the arthritis except for my pain and an elevated C reactive protein level and tells me I should start taking a the drug that the rheumatologist wanted to put me on that can cause lymphoma which is what killed my father. He tells me I should know better since I'm studying to get my MD!?! No buddy, YOU should know better! (btw its been two years since this conversation and my hands are still fine . . . but of course it had nothing to do with the food, thats impossible :rolleyes: )

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Primary care doc freaking out because I ditched the rheumatologist he referred to explains to me that food intolerances and systemic candida infections are made up by doctors so they can write books to offset the losses they face with lower reimbursements due to the current situation with insurance companies. He tells me that there is no way that my dietary change made my arthritis go away, that it doesn't matter that there was no evidence of the arthritis except for my pain and an elevated C reactive protein level and tells me I should start taking a the drug that the rheumatologist wanted to put me on that can cause lymphoma which is what killed my father. He tells me I should know better since I'm studying to get my MD!?! No buddy, YOU should know better! (btw its been two years since this conversation and my hands are still fine . . . but of course it had nothing to do with the food, thats impossible :rolleyes: )

Okay that doctor takes the award for stupidity. At least my Rheumy actually thought to test me for celiac. Too bad I don't show up in blood work. Perhaps this doctor is more worried that if he actually diagnoses folks they won't need HIM anymore and his bottom line will go down. After all folks with celiac related arthritis usually go into complete remission without drugs if they go off gluten. I wish I had known before all the disfiguring damage occured to my hands, but at least they work fine and don't hurt any longer.

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Okay that doctor takes the award for stupidity. At least my Rheumy actually thought to test me for celiac. Too bad I don't show up in blood work. Perhaps this doctor is more worried that if he actually diagnoses folks they won't need HIM anymore and his bottom line will go down. After all folks with celiac related arthritis usually go into complete remission without drugs if they go off gluten. I wish I had known before all the disfiguring damage occured to my hands, but at least they work fine and don't hurt any longer.

Yeah he was special and not in a good way. I think he was more frank with me about his opinions because I am a part of the medical fraternity. He basically was of the opinion that I was to smart for all this "quackery". He obviously has a very condescending viewpoint of alternative healing modalities and felt very threatened that I saw a naturopathic doctor. And of course my discovery of my food allergies saves me from having to see a rheumatologist all the time and having to take expensive pharmaceuticals so I can see why doctors who went into medicine for the business and not the healing would be threatened by the idea of food intolerances. How many physicians rely on repeat visits from patients suffering chronic diseases for their income? We learned in medical school that the traditional Japanese model of medicine was set up so a doctor was only paid when their patient was healthy and the patient stopped paying when they were sick which makes alot more sense to me.

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Some of my bad experiences have been celiac symptom related, some not. There are more, but these are just a few major examples.

1) When I was 15 I went to a doc for my first "yearly exam". I cried (because nobody told me what the exam entailed and I'd been assaulted before so I was really upset). She told me that I would have to "go somewhere for a while" and she left me alone in the room (locking me in the room) while arranging for me to be taken to the state mental hospital (she said I was suicidal, but I was not. Luckily the receptionist knew my mom and called her. My mother BROKE the door and took me out. That doctor is still in practice.

2) I have a strange allergic reaction to nothing in particular (same as my dad as it turns out). My lips swell. Large enough to split open. I went to the ER once before I knew what it was (after all, my lips are close to my throat..... I was scared!). The doctor said, "well, women pay for collagen injections, consider yourself lucky", then he did the "talk to the hand" gesture!!!! Oh then he sent me a bill for $800 on top of what my insurance paid for (WHAT!?!?).

3) I also had 10 doctors tell me it was all in my head. Being a young woman, obviously I just needed prozac and therapy. My therapist (who had previously worked in chronic pain management) told me I was right!! He said, "just because medical science can't figure out what's wrong, doesn't mean there isn't anything wrong!! He was the first person (other than my husband) who believed me.

4) After I went gluten-free, I walked (unaided) into my (then) doc's office, which I hadn't been able to do for a year or more. He told me my bloodwork for celiac had been "mildy positive" so it wasn't necessary to follow such a complicated diet. AHHHHH!!!

5) I thought my current doc was a decent doc. Then DH and I went in to ask about fertility testing (we'd been trying for over a year so we wanted to just see what our options were). He told us that we shouldn't worry yet because we're too young (I'm 23 and DH is 24). He also asked if we had intercourse regularly (um no, we're TTC by abstaining...), and why we were so worried. He also went on and on about how his wife is 37 and she is pregnant, so don't worry, we can always try later.

I currently don't have a regular doctor.

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The "it's a female thing" is my FAVORITE. I love how every doc I've been to and told about my symptoms have asked me if was sure I wasn't pregnant, then insisted on a pregnancy test. The last time that came up, I asked the man if he'd like to see my tampon (I was on my period at the time which explains the offer AND why I was so testy... :D ) Then of course he told me that it was "very common" for women to experience bloating, cramping and diarrhea on their period...

That's fantastic but what about the other 3 weeks of the month? And why only right after I eat? Ugh.

I've been told repeatedly that my stomach issues are because of my stress level and/or my stressful job, yet my symptoms have been constant since about the age of 12, even when I was in less stressful jobs and doing well in life. Riiight.

Anti-depressants HAVE helped me but clinical depression also runs in my family so that's not a big surprise, however even with lots of anti-depressants and anxiety meds, nothing changed... But of course, it's still "stress."

Besides the female thing and the stress excuse, my next favorite has to be the "oh, your family has a history of celiac and you have the same symptoms as your other family members so you automatically think you're positive, well you aren't a doctor so how can you be so sure?" As a counselor, I discourage self-diagnosis in any situation but if the shoe fits (especially when no other does!) why not wear it around for a bit at least?

Ugh, sometimes I feel that if I were living somewhere else besides the US I would have been diagnosed or at least taken seriously much sooner. ::rolls eyes::

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We learned in medical school that the traditional Japanese model of medicine was set up so a doctor was only paid when their patient was healthy and the patient stopped paying when they were sick which makes alot more sense to me.

I've heard that about Asian medicine before....

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I love this thread! Where do some of these doctors get their degrees???

My mom probably has Celiac.

My brother is getting tested and has classical GI symptoms.

My grandma was diagnosed 20 years ago.

We are pretty sure my greatgrandma had it....Her symptoms were classical.

All three of my kids have wierd issues and all three have one gene.....

When I told my doctor I wanted to get tested due to my skin and vertigo issue, knowing my family history, she said...

"Its a really expensive test." At that point I wanted to tell her off and insisted I was not leaving without a lab slip. She then asked me what kind of test I wanted...NO JOKE! I told her I wanted the same kind my kids had, the Promethius Celia Plus. She had to go check with the GI to make sure that was accurate as she was looking at my kids electronic medical charts. Then she came back with the lab form and wanted me to point out which lab I wanted. Yeah, lets just say I am not going back to her. I got my results back and I think I have a double dose of one Gene...The DQ2 which all my kids have. Not sure what to do now.

If anyone knows of a good Sacramento doctor who specializes in Celiac, let me know.

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1) While talking to your one year old child's pediatrician about your concerns involving her 7-8 loose, foul-smelling bms she has each day. The doctor looks you right in the eye and says "That's perfectly normal". :huh:

2) When you further explain to the same pediatrician that your child seems to get this diarrhea along with hyperactive behavior after eating certain foods....like oatmeal and crackers. The doctor once again looks you in the eye and says, "There is absolutely no scientific evidence that food affects behavior. It simply doesn't happen."

3) STILL trying to explain to the doctor that your child's hyperactivity is off the charts, the child is sleeping less than 10 hours per day, won't sit still (even to eat) and that something is just, plain WRONG. The doctor then tells you, "Perhaps you just have unrealistic expectations of what parenting is". By this time, my dd fell off the growth charts so the pediatrician's advice to me was, "Make sure to feed your daughter plenty of pasta, mac and cheese, bread and add butter to everything. Also, have her drink a Pediasure per day. Oh, and you'll need to bring her in every two weeks for a weight check". I cannot even begin to describe just how bad things got after this gem of "professional" advice.

4) You follow the pedi's advice almost to the letter (except for the Pediasure as after giving dd just one and seeing her writhe on the floor in pain for over an hour...I wasn't about to do it again) and things get much, much worse. The one year old is sleeping less at night then when she was a newborn! Two weeks later, you tell the pedi about the effects of the Pediasure. Pedi's response, "I don't care about that . Your daughter absolutely NEEDS to drink it every day. Make her drink it!". I then ask about possible food allergies (the Pediasure reaction really began making me wonder). Pedi insisted that that wasn't possible and that I'm over-analyzing. Still, I did not continue with the Pediasure.

5) About 2 months into the weigh-ins and seeing no progress...rather regression, dh and I decide we should find another pediatric practice to go to (we'd seen 3 doctors in this practice and the above is what we got). So at the appointment we tell the pedi that we no longer will be coming in for weight checks and will be pursuing a different route. The pedi's response, "You're daughter is underweight on her growth charts and is Failure to Thrive. You will absolutely keep coming in with her or I will have to report you to CPS so that they can further evaluate the care she is receiving at home". Dh got a glimpse of dd's chart. It read "Parents appear to be attentive". :angry: She then at least wrote us up for more testing (it took another month to be tested for food allergies and celiac).

Thank goodness that my sister was going to an alternative medical school at this point and mentioned all of this to the woman who taught acupressure, herbology and also had recovered her autistic nephew with diet therapy. That woman called me long distance, asked me questions for about 20 minutes and said, "I'm 95% sure that your daughter has celiac disease and most likely an allergy to milk. From the information you provided me about her growth and when you started solids, you can see a pattern of weight loss from the time you started cereal. Remove all grains and dairy for 4 days and see if it helps". PROBLEM SOLVED! :D By then, we also got the RAST results which confirmed a dairy and egg allergy. Celiac tests were negative as we'd already taken grains out prior to testing and we also removed soy.

Now would someone explain to me why none of the 3 pedis in the first practice were able to apply that kind of logic??? :angry::angry::angry:

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IMHO, medical school teaches the medical model like gospel, until they've convinced doctors that there is no truth outside of the AMA official policies. Furthermore, they are required none/6 credits (i've read both) of nutrition classes, and those probably focus on obesity.

The part I really dont understand at all is why both parents and doctors seem to think that doctors should give parents parenting advice. They have absolutely no training in that at all. I do believe that some pediatricains think all mothers are hysterical and they just have to calm them and say, dont worry, your kid is fine, a lot, to calm these hysterical mothers.

The other thing i really dont understand, but I believe its HMO related, is why doctors NEVER recomend you to a specailist unless you ask for it - I would think doctors would say, hey, i dont know how to help you, its time to consult a (xyz) doctor. But they dont, they say, all my tests show up normal, so you are fine. I dont get that at all.

Sometimes I think most doctors just dont live in reality, they still think that all truth can be found in an academic settings and that they, having been through medical school, know everything. Of course, there are enlightened people in every walk of life, but I wonder if the medical establishment is just as good as the military establishment at brain-washing the weak to believe everything they are told and never doubt it.

I'm still looking for a doctor i trust . . . but since i barely trust any people at all, I might never find one . . .

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Sometimes I think most doctors just dont live in reality, they still think that all truth can be found in an academic settings and that they, having been through medical school, know everything. Of course, there are enlightened people in every walk of life, but I wonder if the medical establishment is just as good as the military establishment at brain-washing the weak to believe everything they are told and never doubt it.

I'm in medical school and I think that the problem is that with the massive volume of information you're learning its hard to realize that there is still more out there. You wouldn't believe the amount of stuff we're expected to learn . . . one professor told us that we will forget more in one year than most people learn in a lifetime and I think its true. The other problem is that as scientists we want to see studies to prove if things work and no one will pay for studies on alternative medicine. Big pharma pays for drug studies but no one stands to profit from a gluten-free/CF diet so no one will pay for the studies. My school is pretty progressive and we have a club for alternative medicine and a few lectures built into the pre-clinical curriculum (like vitamins/herbs in biochemistry or accupuncture in neuroscience). During one lecture a student asked how we now that all these effects aren't placebo and the professor responded with something that I will take with me throughout my practice . . . if its helping our patients thats what is important, not how it is helping. We all get so caught up in understanding mechanisms and pathways that it is easy to lose sight of what is most important . . . the patient.

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wow you all badly need new doctors :huh:

i thought a registra (my GI had a full clinic,) was bad for talking to the wall

the same registra (he didnt bother to tell us his name) also took half hour to find a vein in my arm and asked my mother questions (about me, while i was in the room) that she didnt really know the answers to

luckily i dont need a new doctor though because my GI and GP are both really good........ my GI phones at 8pm just to check how im doing....... so have faith there are good ones out there

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oh heres one for you last week i went for my endoscopy for a plopy removel and ive been having burning in my upper stomach everytime i eat, by then i had it for a week i kept on calling the doctor 2 time the week before, so anyway i told her about the pain in my upper stomach everytime i eat she goes "well there wasnt no inflamtion or anything keep taking your prevacid 2x a day and take tums and call us in 2 or 3 weeks if it still there" i felt like saying hello of course its gonig to be there you idito because ive been doing that for the last week and it still hurting grrrrrrrrrrrr doctors suck sometimes i tell you

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I'm 87 lbs-the doc looks at me and goes-"you need to stop losing weight" YOU THINK! :lol: Then there was the gastro who told me it was OK to live on enteral formula for the rest of my life.... :angry:

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Years ago a co-worker was seeing doctors for bone pain. After years of telling her it was arthritis - and nothing they gave her even touched the pain - they took x-rays.

She had bone cancer head to toe, and didn't live even the 6 months they gave her.

Just one of the many reasons I don't have Kaiser.

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