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Attention All Those Allergic Or Sensitive To Yeast (non-candida Problems)


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#1 hathor

 
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Posted 30 October 2007 - 12:49 PM

I tested positive to baker's/brewer's yeast in an Enterolab test. However, they have been unable to tell me what all I should be avoiding. Since I don't know my reaction, if any, to the stuff, I can't tell very well from that. Of course, it could be that I haven't eliminated it yet, and so this is why I don't notice it if I eat bread with or without yeast.

When I first asked, I was told to avoid things with yeast in the ingredients. I wasn't able to find anything about yeast sensitivity online, but only things about yeast allergies and Candida overgrowth. Obviously the Candida lists aren't what I need to follow; I'm unsure about the allergy lists.

Anyway, a couple weeks ago I read something here which made me think I shouldn't be having gluten-free beer or wine, that yeast remains. I emailed Enterolab, which said to avoid both to be safe. Then yesterday I read in another thread about someone avoiding, among other things, grapes, fruit skins, and peanut butter. I emailed Enterolab again and they tell me:
"The yeast sensitivity test that we provide tests for bakers or brewers yeast. It is possible that other types of yeast can grown on foods such as grapes, fruit peels, etc, however this is not the same type of yeast that we test for. We do know that natural sugars found in many foods can excacerbate candida symptoms and that may be why this other person is avoiding these foods. We really cannot provide you with a list of foods to avoid. I am not sure, but some of the information you are finding on these websites may refer to food allergies, not sensitivities. They are two very different things."

So what am I supposed to do? I ate some grapes yesterday and woke up feeling crappy, and I know everything else I had yesterday was fine.

What do you all think of this list? Is it a good one? It doesn't include peanut butter. I sometimes react to peanut butter but I always thought it was when I have a lot and that means more fat than I can readily handle.
http://www.allergy-d...s-contain-yeast

Is there a better list? Does it matter which kind of yeast is involved?

Obviously, I'm confused. I don't want to eliminate a long list of things I don't have to, but I do want to feel well.

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McDougall diet (low fat vegan) since 6/00
Gluten free since 1/6/07
Soy free and completely casein and egg free since 2/15/07
Yeast free, on and off, since 3/1/07 -- I can't notice any difference one way or the other

Enterolab results -- 2/15/07
Fecal Antigliladin IgA 140 (Normal Range <10 units)
Fecal Antitissue Transglutaminase IgA 50 (Normal Range <10 units)
Quantitative Microscopic Fecal Fat Score 517 (Normal Range <300 units)
Fecal anti-casein (cow's milk) IgA antibody 127 (Normal Range <10 units)
HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 1 0501
HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 2 06xx
Serologic equivalent: HLA-DQ 1,1 (subtype 5,6)
Fecal anti-ovalbumin (chicken egg) IgA antibody 11 (Normal range <10 units)
Fecal Anti-Saccharomyces cerevisiae (dietary yeast) IgA 11 (Normal range <10 units)
Fecal Anti-Soy IgA 119 (Normal Range < 10 units)

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 08:17 AM

Hathor,

I tested sensitive to bakers and brewers yeast through my blood. I now eat yeast free rice bread (Ener-G). Anything Fermented is to be avoided (vinegar).

That is all I can think of right now. My avoid list is at home and I'm not near it right now. I was also told to try what I was sensitive to and if I don't have a reaction I can go back to eating it. I have added vinegar back in small amounts and seem to have no problems with it. I do have bread occaionaly with yeast in it. Try it for three months and then see if you have any reaction.

Today is my birthday :D

Susan
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#3 hathor

 
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Posted 01 November 2007 - 09:33 AM

Happy Birthday!

What is your reaction to yeast if you have too much? Right now I don't know if it is yeast, CC where I'm getting something else I'm sensitive too, or menopause that is getting me. Or something else B)

My idea was to go as yeast-free as possible for awhile and then to challenge it. Then I could know for sure if I have a reaction or not.

Have you heard of anything which would indicate that the antiyeast antibodies can create damage in one's body? If I don't end up having symptoms, I'm not sure that I should even worry about it.

If you could tell me what was on your "avoid" list when you have access to it and have the time I would appreciate it. But don't waste the time tonight if you have a big b'day celebration planned. Go out, have fun, and don't get glutened, caseined, or yeasted :lol:

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McDougall diet (low fat vegan) since 6/00
Gluten free since 1/6/07
Soy free and completely casein and egg free since 2/15/07
Yeast free, on and off, since 3/1/07 -- I can't notice any difference one way or the other

Enterolab results -- 2/15/07
Fecal Antigliladin IgA 140 (Normal Range <10 units)
Fecal Antitissue Transglutaminase IgA 50 (Normal Range <10 units)
Quantitative Microscopic Fecal Fat Score 517 (Normal Range <300 units)
Fecal anti-casein (cow's milk) IgA antibody 127 (Normal Range <10 units)
HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 1 0501
HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 2 06xx
Serologic equivalent: HLA-DQ 1,1 (subtype 5,6)
Fecal anti-ovalbumin (chicken egg) IgA antibody 11 (Normal range <10 units)
Fecal Anti-Saccharomyces cerevisiae (dietary yeast) IgA 11 (Normal range <10 units)
Fecal Anti-Soy IgA 119 (Normal Range < 10 units)

#4 nora_n

 
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Posted 01 November 2007 - 09:38 AM

Hi
I have yeast antibodies tested through yorktest.
I have read Karen Tripp's page on candida and she has some thoughts about it, and I think her website is worth reading. She says leftovers must always be heated too.
And mold an fungus in houses are bad too for people.....just that we are not tested.
There is some info about aspergillus here in teh oxalate thread.
I react to citric acid, it is made from guess what--- mold. maltodextrin is made from starch or glucose and----citric acid. and so on.
There was a yeast thread in the pre-diagnosis folder and someone posted a link to an article in Lancet where it says that yeast can anct the same way in teh intestines as gluten d they decribe how.

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#5 hathor

 
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Posted 01 November 2007 - 09:58 AM

Thanks. I'll look up the things you mention.

I had some leftovers yesterday which I didn't heat up. Maybe that was why I felt lousy this morning. It is so hard to tell. I can come up with all sorts of other things it could have been ...

Are you saying that the yeast antibodies and Candida problems are related? Or just that the Candida diets are the ones to follow?

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McDougall diet (low fat vegan) since 6/00
Gluten free since 1/6/07
Soy free and completely casein and egg free since 2/15/07
Yeast free, on and off, since 3/1/07 -- I can't notice any difference one way or the other

Enterolab results -- 2/15/07
Fecal Antigliladin IgA 140 (Normal Range <10 units)
Fecal Antitissue Transglutaminase IgA 50 (Normal Range <10 units)
Quantitative Microscopic Fecal Fat Score 517 (Normal Range <300 units)
Fecal anti-casein (cow's milk) IgA antibody 127 (Normal Range <10 units)
HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 1 0501
HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 2 06xx
Serologic equivalent: HLA-DQ 1,1 (subtype 5,6)
Fecal anti-ovalbumin (chicken egg) IgA antibody 11 (Normal range <10 units)
Fecal Anti-Saccharomyces cerevisiae (dietary yeast) IgA 11 (Normal range <10 units)
Fecal Anti-Soy IgA 119 (Normal Range < 10 units)

#6 kabowman

 
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Posted 01 November 2007 - 10:14 AM

I am intolerante to yeast but discovered that on my own without testing.

I avoid all gluten-free beer, wine, some vitamins (some B vitamins have yeast), vinegar, and yeast. I do remember reading in the beginning that tomatoes have a similar yeast and do bother some people. I eat them without too many problems.

I expected to have a problem with jellies and jams because they tend to be riper, more yeast, than plain fruit but I do OK, I just can't have strawberries.

My yeast reaction (not candida) is tired, fever, and brain fog for several days afterwards in addition to stomach upset.
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gluten-free since July 2004

Other Intolerances:
Strawberries and Banannas (2007)
Nitrates (April 2006)
Yeast (which includes all vinegar so no condiments) (Oct. 2004)
Peanuts (Nov. 2004)
Soy (Oct. 2004)
Almonds (Sept. 2004)
Corn (Sept. 2004)
Lactose/Casein (1999)

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Posted 02 November 2007 - 04:35 AM

Hathor

I really don't know what my yeast reaction is. My general GI symptoms have been lots of gas, dirrahea, etc. I don't notice any difference when I have something with yeast in it. I tested off the charts for yeast. Here is the list. I will quote it.
"Your test result showed a positive score for both Baker's yeast and Brewer's yeas, indicating a sensitivity to yeast, mold and ferments. Sugar contributes to yeast overgrowth, so this is also eliminated from your eating program.
The following foods must be eliminated from your diet:
Alchoholic beverges
All cheese
Honey
Many condiments
Mushrooms
Olives
Sourdough
Sugar cane
Vinegar

If you continue to have symptoms, avoid all sugars, fruit juices, dried fruit and berries."

There was also a list of publications mentioned.

The Yeast Connection Handbook
William G. Crook, M. D.
Professional Books, 1999

The Yeast Connection Cookbook
William G. Crook, M.D. and Majorie Hurt Jones, R. N.
Nutri Books Corporation, 1989

Complete Candida Yeast Guide book
Jeanne Marie Martin and Zoltan P. Roma, M.D.
Prima Publishing, Roseville, CA; 2000

The Candida Albicans Yeast-Free Cookbook
Pat Connolly
McGraw-Hill, New York; 2002

Hope this helps
Susan :D
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#8 Dru

 
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Posted 02 November 2007 - 08:19 AM

Hator,

I was diagnosed with a yeast allergy through skin prick allergy testing in 1991 and again in 2001. When I was first diagnosed I was told nothing and the only resources I could find were the candida ones. I started out avoiding all of the foods listed in the candida book lists and slowly tried to add a few foods back in. The method worked for me but there was not a lot that I could add back in due to a mold allergy as well.

I found that anything that listed yeast as an ingredient, no matter how little, was out for me. The only bread I could have was either the Ener-G yeast free or true sourdough (but I reacted a bit to this since it is fermented). I can not tolerate any beer or wine or anything fermented at all. Mushrooms, overly ripe fruit and other things along those lines seem to be more of a mold or candida problem, not a true yeast issue.

My reaction to yeast is a rash on my face and neck and lightheadedness/dizziness sometimes with a headache depending on how much I have had. I also get tired/lethargic and my sinuses act up a bit (my sinus problems are more of a mold thing for me).

I would recommend at the very least avoiding yeast (obviously) -- both bakers and brewers, vinegar of all types, moldy foods like mushrooms and peanuts, and overly ripe fruit. I also agree with the need to cook leftovers before eating them and don't let them go for more than a day or two before you eat them.

I'm not sure I told you anything that wasn't already said. I'm having a brain fog kind of day. If I get my head clear I'll try to post something more useful. Feel free to ask anything.

Good luck and keep us posted on what you find out.
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#9 hathor

 
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Posted 02 November 2007 - 08:53 AM

Sigh. I love mushrooms. I haven't seen those on yeast lists, but they are on Candida lists. I wonder why they are on there.

Wouldn't sugar be a Candida issue? The comment about "yeast overgrowth" seems to indicate that this is the concern, not damage due to anti-Sacc. cer. antibodies. Then again, I do feel better if I don't have much sugar -- just don't know if I have to go all the way and avoid it completely. Bits get into all sorts of processed food ...

I did some more research yesterday. It appears that these antibodies as a marker or diagnostic tool for Crohn's disease or their prevalence in those with other intestinal disorders seems to be of more concern than whether the antibodies themselves are dangerous. I found a few folks saying so, though. I only found one study about improvements (this involved Crohn's) with following a yeast-free diet (unexplained as to what this meant <_< ). What I read convinced me I should try to be yeast-free at least until I know that my intestines are all healed and functioning properly.

But again, what does yeast-free mean? I found another, more specific list designed for those with Crohn's Disease or Ulcerative Colitis in order to avoid Sacc. cer. (baker's/brewer's yeast -- what I got tested for). It notes: "This is not a fungus-free or “candida” diet, only a diet to avoid the Saccharomyces genus. This is not because of an infection with these yeast but because of an immunological intolerance." http://www.dryarnell...od_to_avoid.pdf

I guess I like this list because it is the most to the specific point of any I've seen. Still it differs from other lists. As one site I saw noted, antiyeast diets are among the most difficult to implement because of controversies of what this means. Well tell me something I don't know :lol: The idea about avoiding all alcohol is different (I have a bunch of links on that). The vinegar thing is different too. I wonder why vinegar -- if it is distilled, I would think the yeast would be out of there. It works for gluten. Maybe vinegar being on the lists is the same as the way vinegar used to be on the gluten lists; thing is not as many people seem as interested in coming up with a definitive and scientifically established list for yeast. Maybe some people react to vinegar because of the acidity, not any gluten or yeast it supposedly contains? (I know I've read people who are just gluten-sensitive ["just" B) ], but who say they react to vinegar.)

Those of you who do avoid vinegar, though -- what do you put on your salads? That is the one thing I think I would have problems with if I were to try to eliminate it. Just lemon juice? I've seen some dressings made with tofu but I can't have soy.

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McDougall diet (low fat vegan) since 6/00
Gluten free since 1/6/07
Soy free and completely casein and egg free since 2/15/07
Yeast free, on and off, since 3/1/07 -- I can't notice any difference one way or the other

Enterolab results -- 2/15/07
Fecal Antigliladin IgA 140 (Normal Range <10 units)
Fecal Antitissue Transglutaminase IgA 50 (Normal Range <10 units)
Quantitative Microscopic Fecal Fat Score 517 (Normal Range <300 units)
Fecal anti-casein (cow's milk) IgA antibody 127 (Normal Range <10 units)
HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 1 0501
HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 2 06xx
Serologic equivalent: HLA-DQ 1,1 (subtype 5,6)
Fecal anti-ovalbumin (chicken egg) IgA antibody 11 (Normal range <10 units)
Fecal Anti-Saccharomyces cerevisiae (dietary yeast) IgA 11 (Normal range <10 units)
Fecal Anti-Soy IgA 119 (Normal Range < 10 units)

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#11 Dru

 
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Posted 02 November 2007 - 05:23 PM

Sigh. I love mushrooms. I haven't seen those on yeast lists, but they are on Candida lists. I wonder why they are on there.

I don't know why mushrooms are a problem but I think it is because it is a fungus and in the mold family. I too love mushrooms and was never able to truly give them up. I used to eat pizza with yeast free crust and no cheese when I was vegan but I would never give up my mushrooms on top.

Those of you who do avoid vinegar, though -- what do you put on your salads? That is the one thing I think I would have problems with if I were to try to eliminate it. Just lemon juice? I've seen some dressings made with tofu but I can't have soy.


When I was vegan and yeast free I used to buy very good quality olive oil and add my own spices and use just enough to get the leaves a little damp. It wasn't the same as dressing, but it worked and I didn't have to give up my salads. I also found that getting really juicy tomatoes helped.

I'm sure that you could do something to add more liquid with lemon juice (I never tried because citrus is a migraine trigger for me). You might also experiment with oil and pureed strawberries or other berries or maybe some mandarin oranges. I'm not sure if this would work or not.
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Posted 03 November 2007 - 05:38 AM

I'm trying vinegar-free, as I've thought I had a problem with vinegar for a long time. It seems to give me a head-rush, and as it's my favourite food it's probably sod's law that I shouldn't be eating it.


Conversely, perhaps we should all be eating the food we fear most. Sorry, I've been waiting for an opportunity to link to this Onion article about the Nietzsche diet:
http://www.theonion....tent/node/39313

Thanks for the dressing ideas, folks. I can eat sesame. I guess I'll be on the lookout for salsas, etc. too. I'm sure there are dressing recipes. I am just so accustomed to throwing on one of my many vinegars.

I've seen a study about the antibodies going away. It looked like children reacted quicker than adults, and some adults still had them. I wonder if we are referring to the same study. Mine seemed interesting since it was newly diagnosed celiacs who went on a gluten-free diet. There is no indication in the abstract that anyone went on a yeast-free diet at all :huh: http://tinyurl.com/2ykgnb

I know. I should just suck it up and eliminate all the possibilities, at least for long enough to see how I react. Then I can test all these things I don't want to give up.

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McDougall diet (low fat vegan) since 6/00
Gluten free since 1/6/07
Soy free and completely casein and egg free since 2/15/07
Yeast free, on and off, since 3/1/07 -- I can't notice any difference one way or the other

Enterolab results -- 2/15/07
Fecal Antigliladin IgA 140 (Normal Range <10 units)
Fecal Antitissue Transglutaminase IgA 50 (Normal Range <10 units)
Quantitative Microscopic Fecal Fat Score 517 (Normal Range <300 units)
Fecal anti-casein (cow's milk) IgA antibody 127 (Normal Range <10 units)
HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 1 0501
HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 2 06xx
Serologic equivalent: HLA-DQ 1,1 (subtype 5,6)
Fecal anti-ovalbumin (chicken egg) IgA antibody 11 (Normal range <10 units)
Fecal Anti-Saccharomyces cerevisiae (dietary yeast) IgA 11 (Normal range <10 units)
Fecal Anti-Soy IgA 119 (Normal Range < 10 units)




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