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#1 misdiagnosed6yrs

 
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Posted 29 December 2007 - 08:13 PM

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This is the third day and my stomach has not stopped being gassy. This stinks. I am eating fresh fruit. cantaloupe, pineapple, grapes, dried cranberries, Sliced almonds (they are allowed), avacadoes, strawberries and bananas. Thats my breakfast and/or lunch.
Dinner is chicken (free range), red and orange peppers, mushrooms, brown rice, brocolli (Not a lot), safflower oil, tyme, sage, rosemary.

I think thats about it. I have had a plain rice cake.
I wonder if its the meds I take at night. The worst part of the day is first thing in the morning. My stomach just goes nuts.

I am so sick of being sick. Can't I just have a good day, or two? Sorry, I know it's the pity me that's talking.

Anyways. Do I just continue this elimination diet? Obviously what I cut out is NOT what was making me sickif I am still sick.
Advice?

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Posted 29 December 2007 - 08:45 PM

It sounds like the fruits you are eating in the morning may be causing some of your tummy troubles. I know melons and dried fruit are very problematic for a lot of people. Also, pineapple KILLS my stomach, so that could be a problem also.

Good luck!
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Posted 29 December 2007 - 08:47 PM

This is the third day and my stomach has not stopped being gassy. This stinks. I am eating fresh fruit. cantaloupe, pineapple, grapes, dried cranberries, Sliced almonds (they are allowed), avacadoes, strawberries and bananas. Thats my breakfast and/or lunch.
Dinner is chicken (free range), red and orange peppers, mushrooms, brown rice, brocolli (Not a lot), safflower oil, tyme, sage, rosemary.

I think thats about it. I have had a plain rice cake.
I wonder if its the meds I take at night. The worst part of the day is first thing in the morning. My stomach just goes nuts.

Anyways. Do I just continue this elimination diet? Obviously what I cut out is NOT what was making me sickif I am still sick.
Advice?


Honestly, I don't understand your elimination diet. Half of the items on your list are problematic for more than just a "rare few" people (pineapple, almonds - an allergen!, strawberries, bananas, peppers, just at the least). Not to mention the fact that if you increased your intake of fresh fruit and veggies much, you're likely to get more gas as it is - especially if you have any yeast/sugar problems.
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Posted 29 December 2007 - 09:07 PM

Fresh fruit makes me really sick to my stomach. I can't eat it.

Why are you on an elimination diet? Wouldn't it be easier to have an allergy test done?
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Posted 29 December 2007 - 09:42 PM

I am SO confused!

I was getting sick although have been diagnosed since August. I try really hard to be gluten-free. Unless it is sneaking in. I don't know. Another member told me to do the elimination diet. I pretty much went and bought everything on that list. Then I made a few meals.

As far as the fruit intake. I always eat that much fruit. Since I have been Celiac, it's an easy meal idea and very yummy.

This is the diet. It was suggested to me.

drmcdougall


Please help.

Peppers are bad?

I can't afford an allergy test.
Is there another diet I should try?
What should I eat tomorrow?

Sorry

Thank you

Bobbi
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#6 tarnalberry

 
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Posted 29 December 2007 - 10:17 PM

There isn't really a short cut, and I've never seen a good "prepared" plan. The best thing to do is research about what foods are bigger problems and smaller problems for people, and eliminate those. I think I took three weeks to plan my elimination diet (and it was cut short because it was too difficult because it was so strict), and I'm glad I did.

(I think mine was pears, pork, sweet potatoes, olive oil, salt, and seven other things I don't remember at the moment.)

You note that you always eat that much fruit, but if you always have gas as a problem, that may be related. :)
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Posted 30 December 2007 - 04:33 AM

You are doing what I call a reverse elimination diet, which is often not very helpful. With an elimination diet you are not eliminating the foods, you are eliminating them as a cause for a reaction.
If you really want to go the elimination diet you need to start from scratch. You take 5 foods that you know you are not reactive to, I had an allergist who guided me and in my case it was: turkey, rice, sweet potatoe, peas and pineapple (which I had to drop in the first week) with only water and cranberry juice as beverages. No coffee, no teas, no sodas, no sugar, no spices other than salt.
After 2 weeks with no symptoms you then add in foods one at a time in PURE form for 5 days straight 3 times a day. In other words when you test potatoes you would have a baked or boiled potato plain 3 times a day. If after 5 days you still feel well you keep that food and add another back in. If you react you drop the food and wait till the reaction is over before adding another in. I tested the most likely substances first, after I got my favorite food, potatoes out of the way. Wheat took a full 3 days to see a reaction but when I reacted boy did I react. I was then referred back to my GI who confirmed celiac and apologized profusely for his misdiagnoses on me based on my bloodwork he never even thought to suggest a gluten free diet. I didn't show up on blood work so as far as he and all the other specialists were concerned celiac was not one of the possible diagnoses for me. It turned out to be the one true diagnosis that all the others cascaded from. The elimination diet is not easy but it can be very helpful. You can not however cheat at all during the period you are doing it. If you for example go out to dinner and load your plate with suspect foods you will have to start basically all over again. I hope this helps.
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Posted 30 December 2007 - 05:52 AM

I must point out that what you are following is NOT the elimination diet set forth by Dr. McDougall at all.

You say:
"I am eating fresh fruit. cantaloupe, pineapple, grapes, dried cranberries, Sliced almonds (they are allowed), avacadoes, strawberries and bananas. Thats my breakfast and/or lunch.
Dinner is chicken (free range), red and orange peppers, mushrooms, brown rice, brocolli (Not a lot), safflower oil, tyme, sage, rosemary.

I think thats about it. I have had a plain rice cake."

Cantaloupe, pineapple, grapes, strawberries & bananas are not listed among the allowed fruits. Cranberries are listed, but they, like any other fruit, are supposed to be cooked. Plus all dried cranberries I've seen list oil among the ingredients and so wouldn't be allowed.

Avocado, peppers, mushrooms and broccoli are not listed as allowed veggies.

Chicken isn't allowed (this is McDougall after all -- even his regular diet omits animal protein in any form)

No nuts are allowed.

No seasoning beyond salt is supposed to be used, so the safflower oil (McDougall doesn't believe in added oil under any circumstances, either), thyme, sage and rosemary is wrong.

So wherever you got the diet from, it isn't the McDougall elimination diet. Here is a description of it:
http://www.drmcdouga...d_allergic.html

I would point out that you MIGHT have eliminated what is making you sick, theoretically. Day 3 is too early to tell. You are supposed to go a week and see if your symptoms go away. But I think it would make more sense to start over with a correct list of foods.

Edit: the only food you list that is allowed initially in the McDougall elimination diet is brown rice.


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Posted 30 December 2007 - 06:48 AM

You might also try switching to white rice instead of the brown rice. I had problems with brown rice (stomach cramping) but don't have that problem since I've switched.
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Posted 30 December 2007 - 08:01 AM

If it were me, I'd eat nothing but meat and veggies. They seem to be least responsible for food intolerances. Then I'd slowly add in other things.
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Posted 30 December 2007 - 08:58 AM

As far as the foods I was eating, I took two elimination diet lists and combined them together. Is that bad? So thats where I found safflower oil, avacados, and almonds.

Everyone has great ideas. I just don't know what to do. Maybe I'll call a dietician or an allergenist cause I am going to end up starving myself. I can't NOT eat though. Doctors aren't open for a few days and getting an appointment will take a while. My gassy stomach is getting worse each day. It was fine for a while then bam. stomach aches. The worst part is when I am waking up. I have no idea why. Cause the food is settling maybe?

So what kinds of foods should I eat until I get an appointment?

Thanks.
I guessed on the tyme and sage.. etc.. I figured cause it was fresh and natural and organic. I guess I am wrong. Now I haver to throw that stuff away. Anyone hungry?

Bobbi
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Posted 30 December 2007 - 09:20 AM

Alot of people have problems with fruit. The melons are a problem to lots of people and they are kind of a group thing you can pick out. Watermelon, cantalop, muskmelon ect. I know of people to have problems with apples and if you read lables you will find apple juice in alot of gluten free items for flavor so you may have to watch that if apples show up as a problem.

I personally don't think a dieticion will be of much help. There are not many out there that no much about gluten free diets and I personally would stick my money there, I would put it toward a allergy test instead.
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Posted 30 December 2007 - 09:25 AM

As far as the foods I was eating, I took two elimination diet lists and combined them together. Is that bad? So thats where I found safflower oil, avacados, and almonds.

Everyone has great ideas. I just don't know what to do. Maybe I'll call a dietician or an allergenist cause I am going to end up starving myself. I can't NOT eat though. Doctors aren't open for a few days and getting an appointment will take a while. My gassy stomach is getting worse each day. It was fine for a while then bam. stomach aches. The worst part is when I am waking up. I have no idea why. Cause the food is settling maybe?

So what kinds of foods should I eat until I get an appointment?

Thanks.
I guessed on the tyme and sage.. etc.. I figured cause it was fresh and natural and organic. I guess I am wrong. Now I haver to throw that stuff away. Anyone hungry?

Bobbi


You may want to rest your system for a couple of days with a modified brat diet. Bananas, rice and applesauce. Once your tummy calms down add in some broiled or baked plain chicken breasts. Make sure the applesauce is unsweetened and the rice is plain not out of a packet. Minute Rice although of not much use nutritionally by the time they get done with it should be a good easy to digest choice. This should help things calm down a bit.
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celiac 49 years - Misdiagnosed for 45
Blood tested and repeatedly negative
Diagnosed by Allergist with elimination diet and diagnosis confirmed by GI in 2002
Misdiagnoses for 15 years were IBS-D, ataxia, migraines, anxiety, depression, fibromyalgia, parathesias, arthritis, livedo reticularis, hairloss, premature menopause, osteoporosis, kidney damage, diverticulosis, prediabetes and ulcers, dermatitis herpeformis
All bold resoved or went into remission with proper diagnosis of Celiac November 2002
Some residual nerve damage remains as of 2006- this has continued to resolve after eliminating soy in 2007

Mother died of celiac related cancer at 56
Twin brother died as a result of autoimmune liver destruction at age 15

Children 2 with Ulcers, GERD, Depression, , 1 with DH, 1 with severe growth stunting (male adult 5 feet)both finally diagnosed Celiac through blood testing and 1 with endo 6 months after Mom


Positive to Soy and Casien also Aug 2007

Gluten Sensitivity Gene Test Aug 2007
HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 1 0303

HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 2 0303

Serologic equivalent: HLA-DQ 3,3 (Subtype 9,9)

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Posted 30 December 2007 - 10:39 AM

Bet all the advice and stuff you're reading sounds totally confusing? Well, it is! When you're trying to do something like this. I'd go back to eating whatever you ate that was closest to being reasonable on your symptoms and then do some planning, figuring out what very few foods you are very confident in not bothering you, and what are unlikely to bother other people. You won't have your answer any time soon, but you'll get an answer eventually.
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Posted 30 December 2007 - 10:58 AM

Have you had follow up bloodwork to confirm that your damage due to Celiac is diminishing?

Are you under a doctors care and have you been evaluated for other problems?
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