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#16 stef_the_kicking_cuty

 
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Posted 28 February 2005 - 06:57 PM

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Posted 28 February 2005 - 07:56 PM

We talk a lot about people being asymptomatic. And I know something about it because I'm one of them. That's not what I'm talking about. There has been research posted on this site that offers proof via biopsy that test subjects have consumed as much as 300 mg/day of gluten with no ill effects. I believe it is possible for some of us to pick the meat off the bread and eat it without causing damage. Everybody, obviously, cannot do this.

Many posters speak on this subject with absolutes, when there is proof to the contrary.

I agree that press like this doesn't entirely help us, but it may just be accurate for some celiacs. I've picked rolls or toast off my plate and ate my meal with no reaction. Perhaps for some celiacs, no reaction to minute quantities is no damage.
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Posted 28 February 2005 - 08:01 PM

How long has it been however for this people (and you probably) between eating "a very little" amount of gluten and "very little damage" and having the next following biopsy? Maybe they had a little bit of damage for one or two days and until the next biopsy the damage was already gone?

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 07:34 AM

I read this article also, but I thought maybe she has a wheat intolerance. There are a lot of people with wheat intolerance but they do not have celiac disease. They can eat other grains just not wheat. As far as allergies... that is life threating immedialtly! I myself can not eat fish or peanuts, or I will go into anaphalactic shock. A person with an actual ALERGY can not eat any small amounts or they will die. A person with an intolerance can eat small amounts of the item with hardly any problems. I am lactose intolerant and I can eat small amounts or take a pill like lactate when I eat dairy.

Now celiac disease is a auto-immune disease and therefore any crumb counts! I believe it is 1/188 of a peice of bread will cause damage to a celiac. I don't get any problems if I get an accidental ingestion, although I KNOW it will cause further damage and further problems.

There was also a study done SOMEWHERE, I can not rememeber the source. (I am sorry) that around 55% of diagnosed celiacs do NOT follow a strict gluten-free diet mainly due to lack of knowledge of the doctors that diagnose. I know I have had to educate my doctor with everything that I know. He didn't realize it was THAT important to follow a strict diet.

Anyway, I hope this helps as I live with all 3! 2 life threatening allergies, 1 intolerance, and Celiac Disease! :)

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 11:36 AM

Hey, Sada,

Exactly what I think. These 55% of diagnosed celiacs, who do NOT follow a strict glutenfree diet, they just piss me off and their uneducated doctors as well. Sorry for the language, but they really do actually and why should I slime. They don't know, how hard they make the life for the rest of us celiacs.

I think I already told you guys about an asian (meanwhile ex) friend of mine and her daughter and the problems of the little one? And that I suggested to her to go see a doctor with her kid and get her tested, because of all her problems? And the doctor told her not to worry, because asians never ever get celiac? Dugh!!! I mean, the doctors told this woman, that her daugther can't have wheat (and they sure don't say it for nothing), when it was a little baby. The kid never really got tested, why it can't have wheat though. Don't ask me, how they found out, she didn't tell me. She should be 6 or 7 by now. She still keeps on giving her wheat. And than she wonders, why the kids skin's itchy, it's moody and whiny and has 1000 other allergies??? I mean, how stupid can somebody be? Sorry, I still have hard to digest on that one, because the little one was so cute. It's really ashaming.

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 11:57 AM

Stef,

:) I know! It makes me upset too! My dad is one of them! :) I wish he would follow it, and I have done everything to make him understand, but he is so set in his ways. It does make it harder for those of us that do, and I have really been to some doctors that really have NO idea celiac is even existing here in the US. Crazy! But in my Dad's case, I just think he is stubborn and wants his favorite foods. He doesn't eat bread, tries really hard until he wants his soup. The soups that do contain wheat. AHH! He says it isn't as bad as eating bread. He has been in the hospital with his colon and they keep telling him that he needs to change his diet to completely gluten free. I hope he does. He would feel so much better.

That is too bad about your friend's child. That is sad especially when it involves an innocent little child!

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 12:13 PM

Sada,

I know, I feel sorry for that child, too. And my exfriend and I started to argue about the entire thing, everytime we met and so I stopped meeting her. She wanted me to give her kid privat lessons in martial arts and gymnastics, but I really don't want that, when the kids sick. It's just a torture over short or long. I know, how bad I felt. So to avoid that I stopped seeing her. It's so sad.

With your dad, that sounds as if he still lives in denial a little bit here and there. Maybe he's just about to adjust. For how long does that go like this now? If you excuse me, that I ask.

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 03:40 PM

Hi Stef,

That is neat you do gymnastics! WOW! I wouldn't want the child there either. Poor thing. As far as my dad, no i don't mind. He has had stomache problems all his life and when I got diagnosed he thought he should go. Which about 1 year later he finally made it to the doctor by being admitted into the hospital for pain. :) They did celiac testing and came back postitve. That has been since November of this year. So he eats gluten about 1-2 times a week. He says he feels better, but I think he would feel PERFECT if he would just be all gluten-free!

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 04:51 PM

I am fortunate that I can tolerate an accidental hit of gluten once and a while. There is probably some damage done but not much you can do about that sometimes. A lot of people don't understand food allergies because they think "Food allergy/intolerance? How can that be? Without food you will starve so it is impossible to be allergic to it." I know a few people with potentially fatal allergies to peanuts or shellfish and they have all kinds of stories about some doofus trying to force feed them a crab cake or peanut butter cookie. Or about someone who gets all irate and offended when they won't eat something because it would kill them. People either get it or they don't. I try to avoid the ones who don't get it as much as possible.

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 08:13 PM

Some people are more sensitive than others and that is very unfortunate for them. But there is evidence derived from scientific testing that indicates small amounts can be tolerated by most people without damage. Look at Scott's news postings. This is in fact wonderful news for most of us because it means that commercial product manufacturers will be able to produce AFFORDABLE products. I believe what people don't understand is that zero anything is very difficult and extremely expensive to produce. People profess they are eating zero gluten, but in reality they are not aways. There have been tests that show inherently gluten-free products sometimes contain gluten. If the FDA doesn't allow some small gluten content for gluten-free products (i.e. < 200 parts per million) we will find many of the current gluten-free product supplies out of business and those that remain will charge us a lot more for their products.
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Posted 02 March 2005 - 05:59 AM

That's true that some people are more sensitive than others. I also think that just because that research is out doesn't mean we should be careless and go eat gluten because gluten does cause damage reaction or not your intestine pays. Now if this research is true and some people can handle small amounts without the damage that's great but I personally am not going to risk it at this time. My question would be how long has this research been going on and who conducted it? You see many doctors don't even know about celiac so how am I going to be told by these people that a little won't hurt me? Last time I checked with my doctor and GI doctor about small amounts they said nooo unless I don't want to get better. This could very well have changed and this research may very well be true but I went through so much and I'm just skeptical and unless something is 100% proven and guaranteed I will avoid even crumbs but this is everyones personal decision.
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Posted 02 March 2005 - 01:57 PM

Hello Sada,

I think, you're right. He should try to go completely gluten-free. At least for a few month, so he could make a better decision. Just keep on trying to talk him into that. Maybe it works. Good luck for that.

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Posted 07 March 2005 - 04:53 PM

I know this was joked about before :D , but apparently, eating gluten-free is the new fad:

http://www.theaustra...5E23289,00.html
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Posted 07 March 2005 - 07:08 PM

That's just too funny...never thought I would see an article like that...but hey I like it :lol:
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Posted 12 March 2005 - 03:03 PM

The problem with that is, that there might be some real celiacs among those glutenfree hobbyists and because they go glutenfree, it's impossible to diagnose that. And couple of month later, when they get bored of their new hobby, the real problems might start.

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