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Does This Sound Like Celiac? Any Advice?


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#1 Bookie53463

 
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Posted 01 February 2009 - 05:25 AM

Hi Everyone,

I'd first like to thank everyone for spending so much time and research into putting together such a high quality forum.

I've been feeling uncomfortable for years and have only found some relief in one thing -- fasting or just eating very little which is unfortunately pretty unsustainable...

Since my early 20's I gradually developed symptoms of bloating and distension along with moderate constipation. Having a bowel movement or passing gas seems to reduce the pressure to some extent but it's virtually always there (morning/afternoon/night -- doesn't seem to matter). I've been taking miralax for a few months which seems to help the constipation but does little to help the bloating/distension (i.e. I'm 6'2'' at 170 lbs, 12% body fat and have to wear 36" waist pants to avoid putting any unbearable pressure on my abdomen).

In trying to figure out what's going on with me, I was tested for Celiac disease and had sky high serology (i.e. ~170 on a tTG blood test where 30+ was a strong positive) and positive pathology (Marsh II). After my endoscopy, I was very strictly gluten-free for a year and I felt absolutely no different even though my tTG dropped gradually to around a 40 on the same exact test kit. Since I felt no better after a year of being very strict (barely ever ate out except at restaurants which specifically cater to celiacs and ate salads the rest of the time out or prepared my own food), I gave up on the diet. Since I started eating bread again, I really feel no different than I did that year. I essentially thought -- if I'm going to feel miserable, I might as well not deny myself something which seems to have no impact on me. My serology is now high again (I had it tested out of curiosity) though I feel no different.


I've tried zelnorm, amitiza, prilosec, activated charcoal, variety of enzymes, tons of exercise (aerobics, pilates), lactose free, soy free, a variety of antibiotics and even a 3 week vivonex diet for possible overgrowth.

--> Is there something I'm missing here?

--> Is this symptom of a relatively constant bloating sensation with distension common for celiacs? Is it a function of constant inflammation or more just my abdominal muscles having been retrained as a function of my gut generally being pretty gassy?

--> Is my only real option to go gluten-free again and hope for the best? (not sure I can handle that again unless I had some real confidence it would help me)

thanks guys
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Posted 01 February 2009 - 05:48 AM

Ttg is very specific for celiac disease. With such high numbers you really NEED to be on the gluten-free diet. You might not feel any different, but if you don't stick with it you're setting yourself up for some pretty scary health problems... more autoimmune disorders, cancer, etc...

The first idea that popped into my mind is that you have more than one food intolerance. Corn makes me just as gassy, bloated, and constipated as gluten. My son has terrible reactions to all dairy products (due to the proteins, like casein, not just lactose). Corn is in EVERYTHING. I had to cut 99% of processed foods out of my diet and stop eating at restaurants (I've discovered that I'm really sensitive to contamination), but the payoff is that I feel great :) I never thought I would get rid of the bloating. People used to ask me if I was pregnant all the time... years before I was.

A couple of other things you might consider:

1. Check your TSH. Constipation is one of the classic symptoms of hypothyroidism. This disorder is more common in celiacs and vice versa.

2. Take a magnesium supplement. Too much will give you diarrhea, but the right dose for you could get things moving again. it's very common for celiacs to have vitamin and mineral deficiencies.

3. Eating acidic foods with your meals (lemon juice, vinegar) or taking an acid supplement (Betaine HCl). Proper digestion needs to start in your mouth and your stomach... otherwise, you can end up in a situation where food is just rotting in your intestines (causing bloating and gas) instead of being digested. Rotting food also gives off toxins.

Welcome to the group, by the way! This is really a GREAT place for support. Anything you need... a place to vent, recipes, advice on reading labels... just ask.
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Son has IgE allergies to peanuts and corn
Hashimoto's, MCAD, pregnancy loss at 17 weeks
HLA-DQB1*0302 (celiac), HLA-DQB1*0301 (gluten sensitive)
Serological equivalent 3,3 (subtype 8,7)
Extensive family history of autoimmune disorders and related symptoms

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Posted 01 February 2009 - 05:57 AM

Hi. :)

--> Is there something I'm missing here?

--> Is this symptom of a relatively constant bloating sensation with distension common for celiacs? Is it a function of constant inflammation or more just my abdominal muscles having been retrained as a function of my gut generally being pretty gassy?

--> Is my only real option to go gluten-free again and hope for the best? (not sure I can handle that again unless I had some real confidence it would help me)


A year is a long time to see no improvement but it can take longer to heal than that. :( For many people dairy is also and issue and may prevent healing, have you continued to eat dairy? I see you tried lactose free but does that mean you continued to consume dairy at all, cheese?

When your doctor did these tests did he also check your vitamin and mineral levels?

Bloating says your digestion is not working well, there are digestive enzymes that some take but I do not so I cannot recommend any. I drink fresh lemon juice in hot water every morning, helps the liver, and eat grated beets with apple cider vinegar or lemon juice before any meal that contains protein, this supports the bilary system and for many Celiacs our gall bladders are challenged.

My serology is now high again (I had it tested out of curiosity) though I feel no different.


EEK! This is not good, while you may feel no different damage may be done.

How long has it been since you started eating bread again?

I was on a strict gluten and dairy free diet for two and a half years with some improvements but certainly not healed, I do understand how incredibly frustrating it is to do the diet and not see improvements. :)
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Posted 01 February 2009 - 06:15 AM

A year is a long time to see no improvement but it can take longer to heal than that. :( For many people dairy is also and issue and may prevent healing, have you continued to eat dairy? I see you tried lactose free but does that mean you continued to consume dairy at all, cheese?

I've had some cheese over that time and continue to do so, anything more than s small amount though and I also have an enzyme with it (lacataid).

After reading through here, it seems as though there are people who do this diet for years with no improvement. The idea of that is pretty frightening to me, at least in my current state, life is tolerable. I don't feel I can pursue my life goals too readily or at all, but I can at least subsist whereas on gluten-free and feeling miserable, subsisting was tough (i.e. dating is tough since most more desirable women would (nor can I blame them) avoid me, being really thin is tough since I lost my appetite on gluten-free since decent tasting food required more work, I'd typically eat the same bland stuff day after day).

When your doctor did these tests did he also check your vitamin and mineral levels?

Yes he did, I didn't seem to have much in the way of absorption problems


How long has it been since you started eating bread again?


Something like a year and half -- I don't eat much bread honestly anyway -- just once in a while I might have some pizza and I'm not paying attention to additives in things anymore (i.e. I have regular soy sauce instead of the wheat free soy sauce when I was gluten-free). Oddly enough, I grew to really like gluten-free pantry bread and still eat it as it's, to me, better than most conventional bread.

-->I'm mostly curious about the underlying pathology surrounding my bloating/distension since it doesn't seem to really mirror other's celiac experiences (relatively constant) . I'd even provide a picture/video if that would help.

-->Perhaps I have a particularly resistant case of bacterial overgrowth -- is constant bloating a typical symptom? i.e. I can suck in my gut but I feel a lot of pressure when I do that
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Posted 01 February 2009 - 06:50 AM

I've had some cheese over that time and continue to do so, anything more than s small amount though and I also have an enzyme with it (lacataid).

-->Perhaps I have a particularly resistant case of bacterial overgrowth -- is constant bloating a typical symptom? i.e. I can suck in my gut but I feel a lot of pressure when I do that


If you're intolerant to casein, Lactaid won't help. Casein is in ALL dairy products, including cheese. Incidentally, cheese has very little lactose... so there's no need for lactase (in Lactaid).

It is quite possible that the balance of flora in your intestines is off. There's plenty of advice on this forum if you want to search for "candida." Honestly... my bloating was the same way. Even after a year of pilates, I still had pain from tight waistbands. The Atkins diet helped. Duh! That was one of my first big clues that I couldn't tolerate gluten. Some people call the constant bloating the "celiac belly." I wouldn't say that's an atypical symptom. ;)
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Gluten free 08/08
Son has IgE allergies to peanuts and corn
Hashimoto's, MCAD, pregnancy loss at 17 weeks
HLA-DQB1*0302 (celiac), HLA-DQB1*0301 (gluten sensitive)
Serological equivalent 3,3 (subtype 8,7)
Extensive family history of autoimmune disorders and related symptoms




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