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Digestive Enzymes Therapy Instead Of Gfd


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#1 Mord

 
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Posted 10 December 2009 - 10:58 AM

I have some theories of my own about the use of present day digestive enzymes that I would like to share.

In MY opinion...

The Cause for celiac disease is an enzyme deficiency. People born with this disease developed it due to the mercury from vaccinations. Eating processed foods void of digestive enzymes contributes greatly to the growing enzyme deficiency problem in society.

The Treatment for celiac disease (besides GFD) is digestive enzymes. Taking digestive enzymes with gluten is a good idea but is not the trick. Taking a high quality PLANT based digestive enzyme on an empty stomach prior to ingesting anything for the next 1-2 hours is the treatment.

When you take a digestive enzyme on an empty stomach the enzymes get absorbed into the blood where they continue doing their job of digesting food particles. The immune system in the blood would normally take on this burden but with digestive enzyme therapy it can take a break. My theory is that the immune system in the gut only attacks gluten as a safety precaution. When the blood is full of enzymes the immune system wont attack gluten as well as the villi.

This is only my opinion. Just thought i would share my idea with you guys and get some feedback.
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Posted 10 December 2009 - 11:13 AM

Good luck with that. Let us know how it goes.
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Posted 10 December 2009 - 11:36 AM

And you developed this theory from what?

I've heard people claim that mercury from vaccinations causes virtually every disorder on Earth, but not that it triggers celiac. Please sahre your science with us.

There's one treatment for celiac -- don't eat gluten. Period.

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Posted 11 December 2009 - 12:32 AM

I was having the same thoughts some time ago but when shared with mutiple doctors and different research-facilities here in Sweden I got convinced that I wouldnt even try it.

Reason I got explained was that the enzymes is one thing but since it's not gluten itself thats harming us, it's a part of the gluten that is, namely the gliadine, the enzymes wont help.
I cant remember where it was documented but I've read some articles on the subject where they've done some tests and it didnt come out positive.
However, it might work for some people but personally, I wouldnt try it out knowing the consequences and the potential time it takes to heal.

Would be interesting to know more of your theori though.

/Karl


And you developed this theory from what?

I've heard people claim that mercury from vaccinations causes virtually every disorder on Earth, but not that it triggers celiac. Please sahre your science with us.

There's one treatment for celiac -- don't eat gluten. Period.

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Posted 11 December 2009 - 03:26 AM

Celiac disease is not a lack of enzymes it is an autoimmune reaction. It is not that we don't digest gluten it is that our immune system reacts to the gluten after it enters the bloodstream. Those antibodies begin being produced as soon as gluten crosses the mucosal barriers so the reaction begins in the mouth it doesn't wait until it reaches the gut.
Your theory is interesting but IMHO not a valid theory.
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Posted 11 December 2009 - 12:09 PM

...... It is not that we don't digest gluten it is that our immune system reacts to the gluten after it enters the bloodstream. Those antibodies begin being produced as soon as gluten crosses the mucosal barriers so the reaction begins in the mouth it doesn't wait until it reaches the gut.
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Facinating. First I've heard of this mucosal barrier idea. Sounds opposed to what I've learned. That gluten must be ingested to be a problem to Celiacs. Ingested, or swallowed, not inhaled, or absorbed through the nose or eyes.

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Posted 11 December 2009 - 01:36 PM

Facinating. First I've heard of this mucosal barrier idea. Sounds opposed to what I've learned. That gluten must be ingested to be a problem to Celiacs. Ingested, or swallowed, not inhaled, or absorbed through the nose or eyes.

best regards, lm


I can across the info while doing a bit of testing research. In some countries they use a gluten suppository inserted into the rectum and then biopsy a few hours later to find the antibody reaction. Others use the oral mucosa for the same thing. Much less barbaric than poisoning us for months to destroy villi with a gluten food challenge. If you do a search for 'rectal challenge' and celiac you should be able to find some of the research.
Here's one article but there are many more.

http://celiacdisease...ive/1/5/112.htm
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celiac 49 years - Misdiagnosed for 45
Blood tested and repeatedly negative
Diagnosed by Allergist with elimination diet and diagnosis confirmed by GI in 2002
Misdiagnoses for 15 years were IBS-D, ataxia, migraines, anxiety, depression, fibromyalgia, parathesias, arthritis, livedo reticularis, hairloss, premature menopause, osteoporosis, kidney damage, diverticulosis, prediabetes and ulcers, dermatitis herpeformis
All bold resoved or went into remission with proper diagnosis of Celiac November 2002
Some residual nerve damage remains as of 2006- this has continued to resolve after eliminating soy in 2007

Mother died of celiac related cancer at 56
Twin brother died as a result of autoimmune liver destruction at age 15

Children 2 with Ulcers, GERD, Depression, , 1 with DH, 1 with severe growth stunting (male adult 5 feet)both finally diagnosed Celiac through blood testing and 1 with endo 6 months after Mom


Positive to Soy and Casien also Aug 2007

Gluten Sensitivity Gene Test Aug 2007
HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 1 0303

HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 2 0303

Serologic equivalent: HLA-DQ 3,3 (Subtype 9,9)

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Posted 11 December 2009 - 03:55 PM

All scientific studies so far prove you wrong.
I would *not* recommend anyone try this.

Of course, you are totally free to do whatever you like with your own experiments on yourself! :) (AFAIK, no digestive enzymes, however, are able to break up the 33-mer section of gliadin that triggers the immune response in the intestines.)
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Posted 04 May 2011 - 07:54 PM

All scientific studies so far prove you wrong.
I would *not* recommend anyone try this.

Of course, you are totally free to do whatever you like with your own experiments on yourself! :) (AFAIK, no digestive enzymes, however, are able to break up the 33-mer section of gliadin that triggers the immune response in the intestines.)


I think your theory is more of a hypothesis - but I would encourage you to do some research.

That being said, there IS research that shows that digestive enzyme supplementation helps patients with celiac disease
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Posted 20 September 2011 - 07:14 AM

I find your theory interesting. I've read a lot about how a person's inability to digest certain foods because they are lacking in enzymes is connected to diabetes, celiac, hypo and hyper thyroidism, lactose intolerance. I remember reading this about this a year or so ago and thinking I should give enzyme supplements a try as I have Celiac, misdiagnosed for years. Both my parents are diabetic, my brother has Graves disease (an over active thyroid, my sister has the under active thyroid and my other sister and niece are lactose intolerant. So, I thought maybe an inabiity to produce and break down certain foods is in our genes. I've been taking enzymes for about a year now and I find that when I don't take them I suffer. I still avoid all gluten but now with the enzymes I can enjoy an occasional glass of wine or gluten free dessert (before too much sugar would make me sick), once in awhile a piece of cheese and a high fat food (dairy and high fat used to also upset my system for days). Now enzymes and probiotics are staples for me.

I also find it interesting the connection between the bodies ph. I was told for years that my system is too acidic and that's what my problem was. I was given several anti acids which never helped, in fact they made me feel worse so I stopped taking them. Then about 2 years ago I went to a kinesologist who explained that an 'overly acidic system' is often the reverse - an overly alkaline system. Interestingly enough I read that Protease deficiency creates alkaline excesses in the blood. Protease is the enzyme that digests protein.

I'm really interested in picking your brain about this and the research you've done to come up with this theory.
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 08:25 AM

I also take a digestive enzymes just to help my digestion. I take NOW's super enzymes.
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Posted 10 February 2012 - 05:52 PM

I find your theory interesting. I've read a lot about how a person's inability to digest certain foods because they are lacking in enzymes is connected to diabetes, celiac, hypo and hyper thyroidism, lactose intolerance. I remember reading this about this a year or so ago and thinking I should give enzyme supplements a try as I have Celiac, misdiagnosed for years. Both my parents are diabetic, my brother has Graves disease (an over active thyroid, my sister has the under active thyroid and my other sister and niece are lactose intolerant. So, I thought maybe an inabiity to produce and break down certain foods is in our genes. I've been taking enzymes for about a year now and I find that when I don't take them I suffer. I still avoid all gluten but now with the enzymes I can enjoy an occasional glass of wine or gluten free dessert (before too much sugar would make me sick), once in awhile a piece of cheese and a high fat food (dairy and high fat used to also upset my system for days). Now enzymes and probiotics are staples for me.

I also find it interesting the connection between the bodies ph. I was told for years that my system is too acidic and that's what my problem was. I was given several anti acids which never helped, in fact they made me feel worse so I stopped taking them. Then about 2 years ago I went to a kinesologist who explained that an 'overly acidic system' is often the reverse - an overly alkaline system. Interestingly enough I read that Protease deficiency creates alkaline excesses in the blood. Protease is the enzyme that digests protein.

I'm really interested in picking your brain about this and the research you've done to come up with this theory.



I am reading Dr Ellen Cutler's book, Micro Miracles. She talks about small food particles entering the blood and trigering antibodies...causing autoimmunes disease. I didn't finish reading but so far, I do see the good enzymes can do to our bodies. For her, doctors should use enzyme therapy first thing when someone has autoimmune issues but she doesn't talk about celiac specifically.
I don't think gluten intolerance can be cured by enzyme therapy but with a gluten-free diet, it may work very well and this is the next step for. So far, I was happy with pinneaple, papaya and ginger root but I must need serious supplements. Even with a gluten-free diet, I am not digesting my food and nutrious meals and good supplements aren't working for me. My deficiencies are still here.

Have you consulted with a practionner for your enzyme therapy or you just pick them at the health store?
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 10:02 AM

I find your theory interesting. I've read a lot about how a person's inability to digest certain foods because they are lacking in enzymes is connected to diabetes, celiac, hypo and hyper thyroidism, lactose intolerance. I remember reading this about this a year or so ago and thinking I should give enzyme supplements a try as I have Celiac, misdiagnosed for years. Both my parents are diabetic, my brother has Graves disease (an over active thyroid, my sister has the under active thyroid and my other sister and niece are lactose intolerant. So, I thought maybe an inabiity to produce and break down certain foods is in our genes. I've been taking enzymes for about a year now and I find that when I don't take them I suffer. I still avoid all gluten but now with the enzymes I can enjoy an occasional glass of wine or gluten free dessert (before too much sugar would make me sick), once in awhile a piece of cheese and a high fat food (dairy and high fat used to also upset my system for days). Now enzymes and probiotics are staples for me.

I also find it interesting the connection between the bodies ph. I was told for years that my system is too acidic and that's what my problem was. I was given several anti acids which never helped, in fact they made me feel worse so I stopped taking them. Then about 2 years ago I went to a kinesologist who explained that an 'overly acidic system' is often the reverse - an overly alkaline system. Interestingly enough I read that Protease deficiency creates alkaline excesses in the blood. Protease is the enzyme that digests protein.

I'm really interested in picking your brain about this and the research you've done to come up with this theory.



Did the enzymes help with your bodies ph? What brand of enzymes do you take?
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 06:05 PM

This thread is very old and the poster may not see your post and question. Just so you know! :)
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 06:57 PM

What larry mac said. Even if everything the OP said about the causes of celiac disease and how digestive enzymes could work, it doesn't make sense (or gives a resonable explanation as to why) that once a person's body is making the harmful antibodies in the gut or all mucosal membranes that it would suddenly stop making them because the 'pathogen' of gluten is taken care of in the bloodstream. The damage is done right when it touches your insides. Furthermore, the immune system is also categorized because different parts of it perform different tasks. IgA seem designed to attack things BEFORE they get inside. Perhaps such a strategy would prevent celiac disease, although its not like they gave any supporting evidence for the digestive enzyme theory.

I too have a cracked up theory about how to treat celiac disease. Drink lots of alcohol as, unlike water, gluten dissolves in it. Or maybe that's the wrong type of alcohol that dissolves it. And maybe being dissolved doesn't actually change how the immune system reacts to it. I will say that I noticed a few times before being diagnosed, if I ever drank enough one day/night to not quite get a hangover, I felt like a perfectly healthy person the next day, which meant I felt flippin' amazing due to feeling not-quite-right for such a long time.

Of course, my original theory as to why I would feel so good after drinking I still haven't debunked. I thought that I might be missing stage 4 sleep more often than not, and so even though I sleep a lot, the quality of sleep wasn't what I needed to actually feel rested. (That itself is something I have learned/read and am certain of.) But being drunk is known to put you quickly into the deep stages of sleep. Of course, lesser amounts of alcohol tend to wear off a few hours into sleep and then the opposite effects then start to happen, which is, among other reasons, why nightcaps aren't generally recommended. But if I drank enough to stay in deep stages of sleep all night, and I'm generally not getting enough deep sleep, the energy I feel the following day makes sense to me. Unfortunately, sleep aids generally make you get less deep sleep. I can't seem to find any other methods of getting more deep sleep.

Or maybe it's simply alcohol's known effects on the adrenal system and has nothing to do with gluten or sleep :-p
Don't worry all though, I don't binge drink very often, and I'm trying to cut out alcohol completely outside of special occasions.
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