I agree Beverly...the way things are perceived different online then when they are in person.
I can also have humor without it being malicious and I know alot of women can.
I definitely love this board...it's one of a kind and filled with people who I have got to know and become good friends with:D
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Posted 16 May 2005 - 05:50 PM
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Posted 16 May 2005 - 05:50 PM
I work with two women who are worse than a boatload of drunken sailors so I should have said most but not all women tend to misunderstand dry humor. Some men don't get that type of humor either. I was speaking in more generalized terms of some of the observations I have made.
If all the world is indeed a stage and we are merely players then will someone give me the script because I have no f!@#$%^ clue as to what is going on!
What does not kill you makes you stronger.
Nobody cares about losers and quitters never win. If you fail with the cowards then what's the message you send?
Can't get it right, no matter what I do. Might as well be me and keep fu@$ing up for you. - Brian Thomas (Halloween, the greatest metal band ever!)
Ian Moore. Self diagnosed at 36 because the doctors were clueless.
Started low-carb diet early 2004, felt better but not totally gluten-free. Went 100% gluten-free early 2005 and life has never been better.
What does not kill you makes you stronger.
Nobody cares about losers and quitters never win. If you fail with the cowards then what's the message you send?
Can't get it right, no matter what I do. Might as well be me and keep fu@$ing up for you. - Brian Thomas (Halloween, the greatest metal band ever!)
Ian Moore. Self diagnosed at 36 because the doctors were clueless.
Started low-carb diet early 2004, felt better but not totally gluten-free. Went 100% gluten-free early 2005 and life has never been better.
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Posted 16 May 2005 - 05:56 PM
I was always more of a Benny Hill fan.(Blame it on Monty Python.)
Nini, I always got your humor. Anyone who is a fan of Beavis and Butthead rules in my book.
If all the world is indeed a stage and we are merely players then will someone give me the script because I have no f!@#$%^ clue as to what is going on!
What does not kill you makes you stronger.
Nobody cares about losers and quitters never win. If you fail with the cowards then what's the message you send?
Can't get it right, no matter what I do. Might as well be me and keep fu@$ing up for you. - Brian Thomas (Halloween, the greatest metal band ever!)
Ian Moore. Self diagnosed at 36 because the doctors were clueless.
Started low-carb diet early 2004, felt better but not totally gluten-free. Went 100% gluten-free early 2005 and life has never been better.
What does not kill you makes you stronger.
Nobody cares about losers and quitters never win. If you fail with the cowards then what's the message you send?
Can't get it right, no matter what I do. Might as well be me and keep fu@$ing up for you. - Brian Thomas (Halloween, the greatest metal band ever!)
Ian Moore. Self diagnosed at 36 because the doctors were clueless.
Started low-carb diet early 2004, felt better but not totally gluten-free. Went 100% gluten-free early 2005 and life has never been better.
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Posted 16 May 2005 - 06:30 PM
Totally- count me in on the boat load of drunken sailors! I've got quite the mouth 
The problem is that online or in email (and I learned this the HARD way) I can't poke you or make a funny face to show that I'm being sarcastic or dry or whatever. You can only read my words. And I think that is why we have to be careful on both sides of the situation- with our own words and not reading too much into other's words. And asking for clarification if we're unsure of someone's intent. You're right. Think before you hit the reply button. there are a LOT of people on this board who have been through HELL and they need support, not something more to upset them.
Not everyone can laugh when they poop their pants on their own couch (yes- it happened to me and I burst out laughing- what the heck else was I going to do?
) but not everyone would find that funny. For some people, it might be the end of their rope. Everyone's rope is a different length and I'd hate someone on this board to reach the end of theirs because of a careless post.
The problem is that online or in email (and I learned this the HARD way) I can't poke you or make a funny face to show that I'm being sarcastic or dry or whatever. You can only read my words. And I think that is why we have to be careful on both sides of the situation- with our own words and not reading too much into other's words. And asking for clarification if we're unsure of someone's intent. You're right. Think before you hit the reply button. there are a LOT of people on this board who have been through HELL and they need support, not something more to upset them. Not everyone can laugh when they poop their pants on their own couch (yes- it happened to me and I burst out laughing- what the heck else was I going to do?
) but not everyone would find that funny. For some people, it might be the end of their rope. Everyone's rope is a different length and I'd hate someone on this board to reach the end of theirs because of a careless post.
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Posted 16 May 2005 - 06:46 PM
Berneses, I would be laughing at myself, too! 
Ianm, in my family I am the one with the dry, sarcastic sense of humor (I love watching BBC, too!) and my husband just doesn't get the jokes. So this general statement that women tend to misunderstand dry humor doesn't apply here! In fact I was bursting at the seems with mmm..gluten's comments. I feel that humor is one of the healthiest ways of dealing with a medical diagnosis like celiac disease.
My six year old and I were at school today and I was helping her with a project. She was making a paper doll to look like her. The teacher had a whole set of "skin tone" colors and we went through them all trying to find a close match to my daughters skin. Wouldn't you know the color ended up being called WHEAT! We both just had to laugh at the irony. Even at six she can understand that kind of humor.
I do tend to leave my sense of humor off the board, because I don't want to inadvertantly offend someone. I learned this the hard way when I accidently offended a few family members in an e-mail newsletter about 6 years ago. I've been extremely careful since.
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Ianm, in my family I am the one with the dry, sarcastic sense of humor (I love watching BBC, too!) and my husband just doesn't get the jokes.
So this general statement that women tend to misunderstand dry humor doesn't apply here! In fact I was bursting at the seems with mmm..gluten's comments. I feel that humor is one of the healthiest ways of dealing with a medical diagnosis like celiac disease.My six year old and I were at school today and I was helping her with a project. She was making a paper doll to look like her. The teacher had a whole set of "skin tone" colors and we went through them all trying to find a close match to my daughters skin. Wouldn't you know the color ended up being called WHEAT! We both just had to laugh at the irony. Even at six she can understand that kind of humor.
I do tend to leave my sense of humor off the board, because I don't want to inadvertantly offend someone. I learned this the hard way when I accidently offended a few family members in an e-mail newsletter about 6 years ago. I've been extremely careful since.
God bless,
Mariann
~West Coast-Central California~
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 09:01 AM
I'd like to share a few observations - in typical masculine form.
I've observed in life that the first to take offense is often the first to offend.
They are hipersensitive to criticism and are critical of others.
Criticism is a good thing. If we express an idea, we should be ready to stand behind it and substantiate it.
Some people view disagreement with their ideas as a personal slant.
People generally never intend to offend and are surprised to learn they have.
Kindness is giving the person the benefit of the doubt.
A gentlemen is never unintentially rude.
Some people seek to be the victim in every circumstance.
That way, they are never accoutable for their own problems.
Political correctness has watered down dialog to half-strength, or less.
I've observed in life that the first to take offense is often the first to offend.
They are hipersensitive to criticism and are critical of others.
Criticism is a good thing. If we express an idea, we should be ready to stand behind it and substantiate it.
Some people view disagreement with their ideas as a personal slant.
People generally never intend to offend and are surprised to learn they have.
Kindness is giving the person the benefit of the doubt.
A gentlemen is never unintentially rude.
Some people seek to be the victim in every circumstance.
That way, they are never accoutable for their own problems.
Political correctness has watered down dialog to half-strength, or less.
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 09:23 AM
WOW!! I love the insightful posts under this topic. Despite the differences of opinion and passionate protests, I appreciated reading EVERYONE'S opinions here. We have expressed so much of our views on life and communication as well as self-care here. HURRAY FOR ALL WHO POSTED!! 
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 09:41 AM
At this point in the thread I am laughing my butt off, rolling on the floor and cursing like a boatload of drunken sailors. This stuff is pure poetry!
It is so difficult to know how someone is coming across online - it's difficult enough to figure that out face to face.
I think for the most part this is a really friendly and helpful board. I hope whatever tension has been kicked up recently will die down and we can get back to laughing about pooping the couch...
Dang, wish I had a good anecdote like that...
Take care y'all!
Stephanie
It is so difficult to know how someone is coming across online - it's difficult enough to figure that out face to face.
I think for the most part this is a really friendly and helpful board. I hope whatever tension has been kicked up recently will die down and we can get back to laughing about pooping the couch...
Dang, wish I had a good anecdote like that...
Take care y'all!
Stephanie
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Interstitial Cystitis, 7/07
Fibromyalgia, 6/11
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 09:45 AM
Please forgive me but I just can't control myself:
Did you fall off your chair?
OKAY, OKAY!! I'll stop!!!! 
I just couldn't resist!!!!
Hugs.
Karen
Did you fall off your chair?
OKAY, OKAY!! I'll stop!!!!
I just couldn't resist!!!!
Hugs.
Karen
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"Joyfulness keeps the heart and face young. A good laugh makes us better friends with ourselves and everybody around us."
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Celiac, collagenous colitis, hypothyroidism
endometriosis (at age 20)
spinal stenosis (early 20's)
Biopsy August 2006 confirmed complete villous atrophy despite being gluten-free for years and bloodwork within range showing compliance with diet. Doctor has confirmed diagnosis of Refractory Celiac Sprue.
Endoscopy also showed numerous stomach ulcers, have started taking Losec.
Mother to Eileen 13 yrs
Rhiannon 8 yrs
Daniel & Connor 6 yr twin boys......
"Joyfulness keeps the heart and face young. A good laugh makes us better friends with ourselves and everybody around us."
Orison Swett Marden
Laughter is the shortest distance between two people.
-- Victor Borge
"An optimist laughs to forget. A pessimist forgets to laugh."
Tom Nansbury
"Doctor to patient: I have good news and bad news. The good news is that you are not a hypochondriac."
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 09:48 AM
I wanted to fall off of my chair but my back is funky and I was practical about the whole thing and controlled myself... so I simply got up and lay down on the floor and rolled around...
OK, so you caught me, I didn't do that at all but I REALLY wanted to! And I did curse like a boat of drunken soldiers! (oh, yeah, at about that time an email went out office-wide saying "donuts in the breakroom!" - that should make any gluten-intolerant curse like a boat of drunken soldiers!!!)
Still laughing...
Stephanie
OK, so you caught me, I didn't do that at all but I REALLY wanted to! And I did curse like a boat of drunken soldiers! (oh, yeah, at about that time an email went out office-wide saying "donuts in the breakroom!" - that should make any gluten-intolerant curse like a boat of drunken soldiers!!!)
Still laughing...
Stephanie
Diagnosed by food challenge, 10/04
Gluten-free since 10/04
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Interstitial Cystitis, 7/07
Fibromyalgia, 6/11
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 11:18 AM
I think everyone has a right to post on this board, even if their opinions differ from mine, or even if I don't like what they have to say or even if I'm offended by it. They STILL have that right. Even though I was offended by things mmm...gluten said and that darlindeb said, I still wouldn't complain about it to a moderator b/c I believe in free speech, even if I disagree with it.
But I in turn have the right to say that I'm offended by it because I believe in handling it the mature way, and that is what some people may have found fault with.
In any case, I LOVE this board AND the people on it. It is a lifeline for me and I thank everyone here for being such great people, whether I agree with you all of the time or not!
Darlindeb or whatever her screen name is said there are a few "idiots" here. I don't know if she was referencing me or not but even if she was that is OK. I can't find that post...maybe she took it off? In any case, I HIGHLY disagree and feel that there are no idiots here and even if we thought there were we shouldn't voice that publicly. I wouldn't ever call anyone an idiot even if they frustrated me beyond belief and I personally didn't like them. That is not what our board is for, anyhow.
Thanks again for being a support system for me and I hope somewhere along the way I can help someone else as well.
Jennifer
But I in turn have the right to say that I'm offended by it because I believe in handling it the mature way, and that is what some people may have found fault with.
In any case, I LOVE this board AND the people on it. It is a lifeline for me and I thank everyone here for being such great people, whether I agree with you all of the time or not!
Darlindeb or whatever her screen name is said there are a few "idiots" here. I don't know if she was referencing me or not but even if she was that is OK. I can't find that post...maybe she took it off? In any case, I HIGHLY disagree and feel that there are no idiots here and even if we thought there were we shouldn't voice that publicly. I wouldn't ever call anyone an idiot even if they frustrated me beyond belief and I personally didn't like them. That is not what our board is for, anyhow.
Thanks again for being a support system for me and I hope somewhere along the way I can help someone else as well.
Jennifer
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 12:30 PM
OK- I have a great idea. If we want to show the disbelievers and skeptics just how serious Celiac's can be, we can have a National Smelly Poop on a Mean Person's Couch Day. I've got my list prepared (no one on this board- first my boss, then my professor), and believe you me, I've got enough poop left over to spread it far and wide!!!! Beverly
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 01:34 PM
I can definitely agree on that--I think we really are good friends when we're not engaged in cyber warfare about interpreting rules and posts...I think for the most part this is a really friendly and helpful board. I hope whatever tension has been kicked up recently will die down and we can get back to laughing about pooping the couch...
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 01:35 PM
LOLOK- I have a great idea. If we want to show the disbelievers and skeptics just how serious Celiac's can be, we can have a National Smelly Poop on a Mean Person's Couch Day. I've got my list prepared (no one on this board- first my boss, then my professor), and believe you me, I've got enough poop left over to spread it far and wide!!!! Beverly
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 02:03 PM
In response to the post by jknnej
The forum's rules are very basic and important--you can have a look at them at:
http://www.glutenfre...?act=boardrules
and they were designed to make the forum better--and NOT to stop free speech. For example dozens of spammers have been banned from plastering the forums with "buy viagra here" junk posts--you don't see these because the spammers are almost immediately stopped and their posts are deleted (although some manage to plaster the forums with dozens of junk posts before we can stop them). Stopping this type of "free speech" just serves to make the forum a better place, and does not in any way stop the "real" free speech that continues to happen here. There have only been two regular forum users that I know of who have been banned--this in over three years and more than 4,500 users, and those two users were first warned (one multiple times), and the other once (but their extremely rude response to my very polite warning was what got them banned). In my opinion both of these individuals got themselves banned and the forum is a better place because of it.
The forum's users should not have to face the fear of insults or ridicule by other forum users when they are making a post. I would not allow such insults to occur if these conversations took place in my home--so why should I allow such behavior in the forums? Rule #1 (below) was created to protect all forum users from abuse, as was our warning system: "Generally speaking users who break these rules will get two warnings, and if there is a third rule violation they will be banned from the boards. Serious board violations can result in an immediate ban."
In my opinion these very basic, non-draconian rules and the warning system have served the forum very well over the years, and have helped it to develop into the positive, helpful "celiac community" that it has become.
Rule #1:
Do not be abusive or otherwise out of line towards other board members. Show respect for each board member, no matter what you think of their post(s). This is not a place to quarrel.
Take care,
Scott Adams
The forum's rules are very basic and important--you can have a look at them at:
http://www.glutenfre...?act=boardrules
and they were designed to make the forum better--and NOT to stop free speech. For example dozens of spammers have been banned from plastering the forums with "buy viagra here" junk posts--you don't see these because the spammers are almost immediately stopped and their posts are deleted (although some manage to plaster the forums with dozens of junk posts before we can stop them). Stopping this type of "free speech" just serves to make the forum a better place, and does not in any way stop the "real" free speech that continues to happen here. There have only been two regular forum users that I know of who have been banned--this in over three years and more than 4,500 users, and those two users were first warned (one multiple times), and the other once (but their extremely rude response to my very polite warning was what got them banned). In my opinion both of these individuals got themselves banned and the forum is a better place because of it.
The forum's users should not have to face the fear of insults or ridicule by other forum users when they are making a post. I would not allow such insults to occur if these conversations took place in my home--so why should I allow such behavior in the forums? Rule #1 (below) was created to protect all forum users from abuse, as was our warning system: "Generally speaking users who break these rules will get two warnings, and if there is a third rule violation they will be banned from the boards. Serious board violations can result in an immediate ban."
In my opinion these very basic, non-draconian rules and the warning system have served the forum very well over the years, and have helped it to develop into the positive, helpful "celiac community" that it has become.
Rule #1:
Do not be abusive or otherwise out of line towards other board members. Show respect for each board member, no matter what you think of their post(s). This is not a place to quarrel.
Take care,
Scott Adams
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