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#16 bean

 
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Posted 15 June 2005 - 10:01 AM

Okay, here are some links:

http://libaware.econ.../milkletter.php

http://www.drjaygord...ks/cowsmilk.htm

http://www.pcrm.org/...info/dairy.html

http://www.pcrm.org/...ginfo/milk.html

http://www.pcrm.org/...ntolerance.html

http://www.drlam.com...03-No2-Milk.cfm (This one isn't real professional looking - nor does it have much in the way of references, but it's interesting)

http://www.4.waisays.com/ (This one links excessive calcium to osteoporosis - but if you pay attention, it's actually linking excessive milk consumption - and not listing any other calcium sources as problematic - like vegetables, nuts, etc. - You've got to be paying attention when you read this stuff ;))

Okay, that's probably enough for now! I can also send information from the vast compendium of nutritional books I've collected ;) There's a lot out there that shows how milk is *not* a good thing!

One thing to remember is that the dietary guidlines in the US are really (sadly) highly influenced by the dairy industry. It's actually the dairy industry that provides most of the funding for the nutritional materials handed out in schools for kids. I could get you info on this too if you don't believe me! It's really scary & sad. I hate to sound like an extremist here - but seriously, the dairy industry is more concerned with profits than the health of the people they derive those profits from.

Catch you later!
- Michelle :wub:

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Positive blood tests 4/29/05 (tTG & IgA)
*Osteoporosis (at 32!)
*Heartburn/Reflux (*ouch!*)
*Lifelong battle w/depression
*Dental enamel didn't form right when I was little (cavities cavities cavities)
*Neuropsych analysis lists all sorts of learning disabilities - which may be attributed to brain injury from an old accident or may be from celiac, who knows!

Had biopsy May 11th, 2005 - villi are FLAT! :(
gluten-free since May 11th :)

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Posted 15 June 2005 - 10:26 AM

Ugh. I just pulled out my China Study book and was going to copy some information but... there's too much! Try and find this book at your library or order it online. There are 44 pages of references (peer reviewed journals) alone. The book is over 400 pages.

Let me just say that there are high correlations between areas of high milk consumption and: diabetes, multiple sclerosis, osteoporosis, breast cancer, heart disease, and others.

I just noticed that there are correlations in this book to meat - which I didn't say much of before, but *most* of the studies are done using casein as the animal protein.

I'll see if I can find anything shorter! Sorry, don't really feel like typing out 60 pages right now! Please forgive!

- Michelle :wub:


P.S. Here is a link to this book on Amazon: http://www.amazon .c...=books&n=507846 Note that it is a huge success among vegans but also note that this book is *very* scientific and well documented - not an extremist book at all. This is not a book put out by PETA - like so many of the other vegan books seem to be! :P
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Posted 15 June 2005 - 10:29 AM

Thank you!
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Posted 15 June 2005 - 10:51 AM

Hey, we are way off topic here! I'm going to move some of this information to a new post "Research on Problems with Dairy" - please post anything else you have regarding milk/dairy there :)

I think we should make this info available to people who wouldn't otherwise look under the "Dangerous Grains" topic. :)

- Michelle :wub:
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Positive blood tests 4/29/05 (tTG & IgA)
*Osteoporosis (at 32!)
*Heartburn/Reflux (*ouch!*)
*Lifelong battle w/depression
*Dental enamel didn't form right when I was little (cavities cavities cavities)
*Neuropsych analysis lists all sorts of learning disabilities - which may be attributed to brain injury from an old accident or may be from celiac, who knows!

Had biopsy May 11th, 2005 - villi are FLAT! :(
gluten-free since May 11th :)

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Posted 15 June 2005 - 11:16 AM

http://www.truefoods...milor32ozb.html

I got lost following links Bean posted and eventually ended up looking at a brand of Almond Milk....thinking of replacing my milk. Anyway, this product says gluten free but lists barley malt in the ingreds. There's no such thing as gluten-free barley malt is there? I wouldn't have asked this 2 weeks ago, but since posting here I've learned many things such as Modified Food Starch can be gluten-free...

About all the links Bean posted...I'm off to read more!
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#21 bean

 
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Posted 15 June 2005 - 11:20 AM

I have not read Dangerous Grains.  Question: how much of it is directly related to celiac and how much of it is...just about how bad grains are in general or how they are bad for people with other conditions?

Dangerous Grains is primarily about the health problems for those with Celiac Disease and gluten allergies /sensitivity. However, the first chapter in the book is called "Grains and People: An Evolutionary Mismatch" so it does go so far as to suggest that humans should not be eating grains. The primary thought here is that we have not evolved to eat grains, and that grain consumption has had "many negative genetic health impacts"

Here is the amazon link to Dangerous Grains - you will probably find more info there than from me (with reviews, table of contents, etc.):

http://www.amazon .c...KX0DER&st=books

If you are looking for a book with no-grain dietary plans, get the "Going Against the Grain" book. This book talks more about the benefits of a diet without grain, where the "Dangerous Grains" book discusses the health problems that occur when people with intolerance eat grains.

Hope that helps! :)

- Michelle :wub:
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Positive blood tests 4/29/05 (tTG & IgA)
*Osteoporosis (at 32!)
*Heartburn/Reflux (*ouch!*)
*Lifelong battle w/depression
*Dental enamel didn't form right when I was little (cavities cavities cavities)
*Neuropsych analysis lists all sorts of learning disabilities - which may be attributed to brain injury from an old accident or may be from celiac, who knows!

Had biopsy May 11th, 2005 - villi are FLAT! :(
gluten-free since May 11th :)

#22 celiac3270

 
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Posted 15 June 2005 - 11:23 AM

http://www.truefoods...milor32ozb.html

I got lost following links Bean posted and eventually ended up looking at a brand of Almond Milk....thinking of replacing my milk. Anyway, this product says gluten free but lists barley malt in the ingreds. There's no such thing as gluten-free barley malt is there? I wouldn't have asked this 2 weeks ago, but since posting here I've learned many things such as Modified Food Starch can be gluten-free...

About all the links Bean posted...I'm off to read more!

Malt is, in very rare cases, gluten-free. Barley malt, however, is never gluten-free.
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Posted 15 June 2005 - 11:33 AM

http://www.truefoods...milor32ozb.html

I got lost following links Bean posted and eventually ended up looking at a brand of Almond Milk....thinking of replacing my milk. Anyway, this product says gluten free but lists barley malt in the ingreds. There's no such thing as gluten-free barley malt is there? I wouldn't have asked this 2 weeks ago, but since posting here I've learned many things such as Modified Food Starch can be gluten-free...

Whoa! I just checked this out - because I drink a lot of the Pacific Foods Almond milk (and love it! :))

I think that the site that you referenced must be messed up. I went to the Pacific Foods site (http://www.pacificfo...s-nut-grain.php) and found the following information:

The ingredients listed on the almond milk *there* are:

Ingredients
ALMOND BASE (FILTERED WATER, ALMONDS), BROWN RICE SWEETENER (FILTERED WATER, BROWN RICE), NATURAL FLAVORS, TRICALCIUM PHOSPHATE, SEA SALT, GINGER, GUAR GUM, XANTHAN GUM, CARRAGEENAN, CAROB BEAN GUM, RIBOFLAVIN (B2), VITAMIN A PALMITATE, VITAMIN D2.

No barley malt! And it does say "Gluten Free" on the label. True foods market must have screwed up.

BTW - Pacific Foods has the *best* almond milk, IMHO ;) They also have an "Ultra Soy" drink that is super tasty and has 10 grams of protein per cup :) If you mix the vanilla flavor with glutamine it tastes like vanilla ice cream! :o And *everyone* should be taking glutamine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Someday I'm actually going to do one crazy post on the virtues of glutamine! Hopefullly soon!)
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Positive blood tests 4/29/05 (tTG & IgA)
*Osteoporosis (at 32!)
*Heartburn/Reflux (*ouch!*)
*Lifelong battle w/depression
*Dental enamel didn't form right when I was little (cavities cavities cavities)
*Neuropsych analysis lists all sorts of learning disabilities - which may be attributed to brain injury from an old accident or may be from celiac, who knows!

Had biopsy May 11th, 2005 - villi are FLAT! :(
gluten-free since May 11th :)

#24 Carriefaith

 
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Posted 15 June 2005 - 12:07 PM

Thanks for much, I know that everyone has varying opinions on milk, but I don't think it is necessary for our bodies. Actually it makes a lot of people sick. I think we can get our calcium and vitamin D from supplements or other sourses like veggies and fish.
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Posted 15 June 2005 - 12:11 PM

http://www.truefoods...milor32ozb.html

I got lost following links Bean posted and eventually ended up looking at a brand of Almond Milk....thinking of replacing my milk.  Anyway, this product says gluten free but lists barley malt in the ingreds.  There's no such thing as gluten-free barley malt is there?  I wouldn't have asked this 2 weeks ago, but since posting here I've learned many things such as Modified Food Starch can be gluten-free... 

BTW - I sent them this email & got the following reply:

Thank you.

Customer Service
orders@globalmart.com


---------- Original Message -----------
From: "Michelle Larsen" <>
To: <support@truefoodsmarket.com>
Sent: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:37:31 -0600
Subject: Pacific Foods Almond Milk

> This product is gluten free and you have listed the wrong
> ingredients for it on your site! The actual ingredients are
>
> Ingredients
> ALMOND BASE (FILTERED WATER, ALMONDS), BROWN RICE SWEETENER
> (FILTERED WATER, BROWN RICE), NATURAL FLAVORS, TRICALCIUM PHOSPHATE,
> SEA SALT, GINGER, GUAR GUM, XANTHAN GUM, CARRAGEENAN, CAROB BEAN GUM,
> RIBOFLAVIN (B2), VITAMIN A PALMITATE, VITAMIN D2.
>
> This was taken from the Pacific Foods website. What you have listed
> on your site includes barley malt - which is NOT gluten free! You
> should fix this!
>
> Thanks,
> Michelle Larsen

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Michelle :)

Positive blood tests 4/29/05 (tTG & IgA)
*Osteoporosis (at 32!)
*Heartburn/Reflux (*ouch!*)
*Lifelong battle w/depression
*Dental enamel didn't form right when I was little (cavities cavities cavities)
*Neuropsych analysis lists all sorts of learning disabilities - which may be attributed to brain injury from an old accident or may be from celiac, who knows!

Had biopsy May 11th, 2005 - villi are FLAT! :(
gluten-free since May 11th :)

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Posted 15 June 2005 - 12:17 PM

Okay, I admit it.I also got 'lost' following one of bean's fascinating links.My heads spinning with all this info!
Since my hubbie was dx with celiac disease 9 months ago I have become more and more interested in diet and nutrition.I've learnt loads already from here but I know I'm only scratching the surface!
In particular I find the topic of 'dangerous grain' and the 'paleo diet' absolutely fascinating.It all makes sense!
The 'coeliac journey' as it were is much more in depth than I first realised.
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Posted 15 June 2005 - 12:29 PM

I don't believe in soy either. I makes me sick. Please research soy before you add it to your diet to replace casein.
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Posted 15 June 2005 - 12:39 PM

Soy doesn't make me sick but I certainly wouldn't use it to base my diet around. I don't think it's health promoting like so many others claim. But, I don't think (in small doses) it is problematic - for those who don't have soy allergies / intolerance of course!

Here are some links on the evils of soy: http://www.google.co...www.mercola.com

Some have argued that soy is safe since it has been used by Asian cultures who eat large amounts of soy and don't have health problems because of it. The big difference is that these Asian cultures use mainly *fermented* soy products (miso, tempeh, and natto). Here in America we mainly used the fast-food equivalent of soy (soy milk, beans, etc). It's not the same. Here's another article regarding the benefits of fermented soy:

http://www.wellbeing...nal.com/soy.htm

Anyway... I'm off topic again! :blink:

Sorry! You guys just give me the best chances to talk about the things that fascinate me!!

- Michelle :wub:
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Posted 15 June 2005 - 01:47 PM

I have the book "dangerous grains". It is absolutely amazing and I recommend it for everyone, not just celiacs. It goes into how Americans and humans in general are consuming way too many grain products and how these grains are the cause of many, many health problems. It states how eliminating these grains from your diet will be better for anyone's overall health. It is a must read!!!
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Posted 15 June 2005 - 04:48 PM

If you aren't allergic to soy, I think it is ok in moderation. I've read that it is not recommended for women who have estrogen based breast cancer or have a family history of the disease. However, research is showing that soy may help men with prostate cancer or help prevent it:
http://psa-rising.co...ell/soyvpca.htm
http://my.webmd.com/...e/94/102884.htm

I eat soy, but I don't overdue it.
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