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#1 confused mom

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Posted 17 May 2011 - 09:02 AM

My daughter has tested positive for the antibodies for Celiac. Does she really need the biopsy to prove it or should we go gluten-free since she has the antibodies?
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Posted 17 May 2011 - 09:48 AM

Thats up to you. If you feel the blood test was enough for the diagnosis, then stop there.
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Posted 17 May 2011 - 10:14 AM

My daughter has tested positive for the antibodies for Celiac. Does she really need the biopsy to prove it or should we go gluten-free since she has the antibodies?

I'm not a medical person, but my G.I. doc said that, aside for it being confirmation of celiac disease, that they are also looking for certain markers and baselines, plus examining for esophageal damage that may have resulted from GERD (many celiacs also suffer from this), etc. You should ask the GI doc to elaborate.

It (the biopsy) may also be an important piece of medical evidence to have for your daughter's school, or for research studies/treatments, etc. I've seen a few trials that would only take celiacs who had been confirmed by small intestine biopsy.

Whether or not you decide on the endoscopy, your daughter's blood tests shows she has celiac disease (I don't believe there are false positives - you can search this forum and internet - blood test is quite definitive) so I think your medical provider will tell you that you should definitely begin the gluten free diet. The sooner you do, the sooner the damage stops and she begins to heal.

Plus, this is a genetic disease. She got the gene from one side of the family or the other. You may inquire about testing additional family members (including parents).
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Posted 17 May 2011 - 10:46 AM

Here is a link to the University of Chicago Celiac Center, it has tons of information (treatment, factsheets, video, etc):

http://www.celiacdisease.net/testing

They state on their site that endoscopy biopsy is necessary to confirm the diagnosis.

other sites with info on this:
http://www.celiaccen.../celiac/faq.asp
http://pediatrics.aa...1.full.pdf html
http://thesavvycelia...celiac-disease/
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Diagnosed 8-8-08 (I think I'll remember that date!)
Positive blood panel
Endoscopy a little later on confirmed, via Small Intestine Biopsy
Adult son diagnosed Celiac in his late 20s
Suspect my Mother undiagnosed Celiac

#5 confused mom

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Posted 17 May 2011 - 11:40 AM

What I didn't mention is that we had the endoscopy done in December and it showed minimal inflammation of the lining of the small intestine but no damage to the villi, so the doctor says it's "Latent Celiac" which means we caught it before it did any damage. She has been gluten-free for 4 months now but still has some stomach aches, which doctor says are from Irritable Bowel Syndrome. The doctor says we can try gluten for 4 months and then do another endoscopy to see if there is any damage. My question is why would we put her back on gluten if she has the antibodies, which tells me that her body is fighting the gluten and will eventually cause damage. What would be the point of putting her back on gluten and doing another endoscopy if we know that, eventually, she'll have damage -- we just don't know when the damage will occur?
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Posted 17 May 2011 - 12:48 PM

Well, I personally think that is pretty dumb. Much more interesting would be to do another one now and see how it looks today after 4 months gluten free.

Her lingering stomach aches may be related to some other food that she does not tolerate well. For example, did you take her off lactose too? Because we often cannot handle lactose well until we fully heal. Or it could be something else that she reacts badly to. You could try a food and symptom diary and see if you can make any correlations. But I do think it would be cruel to subject her to further damage (not to mention pain) just to satisfy the doctor's curiosity.
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Posted 17 May 2011 - 04:09 PM

Well, I personally think that is pretty dumb. Much more interesting would be to do another one now and see how it looks today after 4 months gluten free.

Her lingering stomach aches may be related to some other food that she does not tolerate well. For example, did you take her off lactose too? Because we often cannot handle lactose well until we fully heal. Or it could be something else that she reacts badly to. You could try a food and symptom diary and see if you can make any correlations. But I do think it would be cruel to subject her to further damage (not to mention pain) just to satisfy the doctor's curiosity.


The doctor took another celiac panel 2 months after being gluten-free and he said her levels were "slightly high" but lower than the first time. They took another panel yesterday and we'll see what it shows. I wonder if there's any chance that the celiac panel was originally a false positive???
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Posted 17 May 2011 - 04:17 PM

No, if repeated celiac panels when she is gluten free show that the antibodies are going down - well, that's what they are supposed to do. In the absence of gluten the antibodies are not needed and will gradually go away. Now if they had been going up, that would be a different story. It sounds to me that the diagnosis was correct and her progression is normal (improving) except for the tummy aches which may well be caused by some other food intolerance.
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#9 confused mom

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Posted 17 May 2011 - 04:50 PM

No, if repeated celiac panels when she is gluten free show that the antibodies are going down - well, that's what they are supposed to do. In the absence of gluten the antibodies are not needed and will gradually go away. Now if they had been going up, that would be a different story. It sounds to me that the diagnosis was correct and her progression is normal (improving) except for the tummy aches which may well be caused by some other food intolerance.


Thank you for your input. I asked the doctor if my daughter is lactose intolerant and he said, based on the biopsy, that she is not deficient or intolerant of anything. I'm wondering if I should take her off lactose on my own and see what happens. That would be milk, cheese, yogurt....anything else?
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Posted 17 May 2011 - 05:16 PM

If it were lactose, you may only need to remove milk, cream, ice cream, soft cheese. Enzymes and cultures 'digest' most ot the lactose in yogurt, cheese, etc., and the lactose is all squeezed out of butter pretty much. But it could be something other than lactose. Many of us whose guts are clean as a whistle have other food intolerances. I don't see how he could 'see' them :o Of course, I am no M.D., just a skeptic.
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"Everything that can be counted does not necessarily count; everything that counts cannot necessarily be counted." - Albert Einstein

"Life is not weathering the storm; it is learning to dance in the rain"

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(Mis)diagnosed IBS, fibromyalgia '80's and '90's
Diagnosed psoriatic arthritis 2004
Self-diagnosed gluten intolerant, gluten-free Nov. 2007
Soy free March 2008
Nightshade free Feb 2009
Citric acid free June 2009
Potato starch free July 2009
(Totally) corn free Nov. 2009
Legume free March 2010
Now tolerant of lactose

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