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#1 meinelse

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 04:47 PM

what can I do to improve the gut-healing process? I don't necessarily want to speed it up (I can be patient), but I want to know how best to support it. My doctors aren't any help in this area. I went gluten-free in July, but since then I've found gluten in OTC's I was taking, plus cross-contamination episodes. So I probably have only been gluten-free for a few weeks at this point (how frustrating!!). What can I do to help my gut heal? Do I need to remove dairy? I am severely hypoglycemic (reactive, need a lot of protein and low carbs), iron-deficient anemic, malabsorption/malnourished, and losing weight faster than I'm comfortable with. I'm hungry all the time and don't want to take dairy out of my diet if I can avoid it. What else can I do? Probiotics/Enzymes? What kinds and how much? What kind of practitioner should I seek out for help locally--Naturopathic? Kinesiologist? Thank you!
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#2 pricklypear1971

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 04:58 PM

A Naturapath would probably be a good bet. Mine keeps mentioning "building the gut" and I keep on running.

Would you elaborate on your hypoglycemia? I appear to be heading down that road myself, and need pointers. How were you dx'ed with hypoglycemia?

I was emailing with my ND today and she kept saying liver/thyroid/gallbladder and adjusting to gluten-free and healing and it taking a while. She said the nausea was from the impaired liver function and the gallbladder. I'm thrilled.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 06:14 PM

At celiac conferences, it is often mentioned that L-glutamine helps to heal the gut. I had been gluten free for three years when an integrated medicine doctor recommended that I take Metagenics UltraClear Sustain Medical Food, which contains L-glutamine. He told me that it would make me feel as though I didn't have celiac....and he was right. I put one tablespoon into a smoothie every day, and I felt fantastic after only a few weeks. I continued to take it for about a year, and even when I discontinued it, I continued to feel great.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 06:20 PM

At celiac conferences, it is often mentioned that L-glutamine helps to heal the gut. I had been gluten free for three years when an integrated medicine doctor recommended that I take Metagenics UltraClear Sustain Medical Food, which contains L-glutamine. He told me that it would make me feel as though I didn't have celiac....and he was right. I put one tablespoon into a smoothie every
day, and I felt fantastic after only a few weeks. I continued to take it for about a year, and even when I discontinued it, I continued to feel great.



Wow. Gotta get me some of that! Seriously!
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Hashimoto's DX 2005.
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DH (and therefore Celiac) dx from ND
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Responsive to iodine withdrawal for DH (see quote, above).

Genetic tests reveal half DQ2, half DQ8 - I'm a weird bird!

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 09:31 PM

what can I do to improve the gut-healing process? I don't necessarily want to speed it up (I can be patient), but I want to know how best to support it. My doctors aren't any help in this area. I went gluten-free in July, but since then I've found gluten in OTC's I was taking, plus cross-contamination episodes. So I probably have only been gluten-free for a few weeks at this point (how frustrating!!). What can I do to help my gut heal? Do I need to remove dairy? I am severely hypoglycemic (reactive, need a lot of protein and low carbs), iron-deficient anemic, malabsorption/malnourished, and losing weight faster than I'm comfortable with. I'm hungry all the time and don't want to take dairy out of my diet if I can avoid it. What else can I do? Probiotics/Enzymes? What kinds and how much? What kind of practitioner should I seek out for help locally--Naturopathic? Kinesiologist? Thank you!


I was doing some reading on this today and I don't really have any answers unfortunately. A lot of what I read came from Heidi of adventures of a gluten free mom and her journey to heal herself and her family. The clinic they went to suggests a few different tests to rule out any related obstacles (gut flora was the new one I've never heard of). The clinic also suggests eliminating dairy since casein is partially cross reactive with gluten. I'm not too sure of the science behind cross reactivity but it certainly makes sense and cutting out dairy is the easiest step in their list.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 10:15 PM

If you really want to concentrate on healing your gut, you really do need to avoid dairy. Realize it is not forever, it is only temp. I would definately invest in a good quality probiotic, not the stuff that sits on grocery store shelves. You need to build the good bacteria and the probiotics will help you with that. Are you taking vit supplements for your anemia? or any other supplements? Any burning going on in the stomach?
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#7 meinelse

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 06:40 AM

Thank you for your replies! I'll look into L glutamine.

PricklyPear, my hypoglycemia escalated last fall and landed me in the emergency room with a hypoglycemic attack--I thought I was having a stroke (facial numbness, cold sweats). I insisted that my dr. do a full blood glucose test even though they fluffed it off, and this is what started my path to removing gluten. My blood sugar dropped down into the 50s during the test and I almost passed out in the lobby where they had me wait. Make sure to accept the bed they offer you in the lab during the testing period! I have to eat carefully regulated fat/protein/carb meals every 2 hours. When I have a gluten-exposure, by blood sugar is terrible--it yo-yos, and my vertigo, dizziness, and blurred vision return. During the worst of it, I could hardly sit upright for fear of falling over.

AVR, I will definitely look into the probiotics, just not sure where to go? Health food stores? I have been taking iron supplements for almost a year now, and of course a multi and some C and D. this time last year I was nearly bed-ridden with hypo, body pain, stomach problems and fatigue. Doing a lot better now, as long as I don't have a gluten exposure. I did stop eating high-lactose dairy this week. My stomach only "burns" (not sure I would call it that though??) when I have a gluten exposure, as far as I can tell. I have nausea, cramping, and D for about a week, plus all of the peripheral symptoms. Then I feel great again. I also have some ataxia concerns, seeing a neurologist next month. But despite all this, and all of the doctors, I don't feel like there is anyone committed to helping me through the gut-healing process, you know? they all just sort of scratch their heads because they can't throw pills at it. I have heard kinesiologists are helpful.
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Posted 22 October 2011 - 09:40 AM

When I have a gluten-exposure, by blood sugar is terrible--it yo-yos, and my vertigo, dizziness, and blurred vision return. During the worst of it, I could hardly sit upright for fear of falling over.

AVR, I will definitely look into the probiotics, just not sure where to go? Health food stores? I have been taking iron supplements for almost a year now, and of course a multi and some C and D. this time last year I was nearly bed-ridden with hypo, body pain, stomach problems and fatigue. Doing a lot better now, as long as I don't have a gluten exposure. I did stop eating high-lactose dairy this week. My stomach only "burns" (not sure I would call it that though??) when I have a gluten exposure, as far as I can tell. I have nausea, cramping, and D for about a week, plus all of the peripheral symptoms. Then I feel great again. I also have some ataxia concerns, seeing a neurologist next month. But despite all this, and all of the doctors, I don't feel like there is anyone committed to helping me through the gut-healing process, you know? they all just sort of scratch their heads because they can't throw pills at it. I have heard kinesiologists are helpful.

I would be very interested in hearing what your neurologist tells you at your appt. I have been dealing with ataxia & vertigo issues for 8 months now. I have had very little help from my docs. I did increase my vit D intake which has helped.
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#9 pricklypear1971

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 10:13 AM

So, I was curious and asked my ND about the Metagenics product. She knows a rep for them (who is also Celiac and an ND) and this is what she said and reco'd to me:

They are top-of-the-line as far as supplements go.  Their ND rep who is a colleague of mine is also celiac and she recommended starting with UltraInflamX/Rice.  It comes in 5 flavors so you get to pick which one you like.  This you could do for 1-3 months then switch to the UltraClear
Sustain.  She also mentioned an herbal formula by Gaia called Glucose Support to help even out Blood sugar responses.

So, I'm seriously thinking of trying this- especially the glucose support because I've just about had it with THAT problem. The quest for constant perfect food combos and eating before I get hungry is driving me NUTS. I screwed up this morning and didn't eat before my walk and now I have a burned stomach from acid. I'll deal and it's temporary but I'm just TIRED OF IT right now.

Okay, I had my rant.
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#10 meinelse

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 10:34 AM

I would be very interested in hearing what your neurologist tells you at your appt. I have been dealing with ataxia & vertigo issues for 8 months now. I have had very little help from my docs. I did increase my vit D intake which has helped.


I definitely will. I am skeptical too; the docs where I live don't seem to know anything about celiac/gluten intolerance--sometimes I think I know more than they do. I'm concerned the neuro won't be open to gluten ataxia, even though it's been documented. That's just my experience lately, the docs around here won't take this stuff seriously unless you have the standard blood work/biopsy affirmation, which I did not. Plus, HMO's make it impossible for docs to stay up on the latest stuff. My PCP is on board, but he can only do so much. *sigh* Can you tell I'm a little jaded? ;) But I'll certainly let you know what happens!
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Posted 23 October 2011 - 12:19 AM

I definitely will. I am skeptical too; the docs where I live don't seem to know anything about celiac/gluten intolerance--sometimes I think I know more than they do. I'm concerned the neuro won't be open to gluten ataxia, even though it's been documented. That's just my experience lately, the docs around here won't take this stuff seriously unless you have the standard blood work/biopsy affirmation, which I did not. Plus, HMO's make it impossible for docs to stay up on the latest stuff. My PCP is on board, but he can only do so much. *sigh* Can you tell I'm a little jaded? ;) But I'll certainly let you know what happens!

I'd appreciate that. Good luck with your doc! I go back in 2 weeks to get the results of my MRI and my diabetes test.

I was reading an interesting article last night that links yeast to problems with ataxia also but when I looked at the diet, with the exception of a piece of fruit a day I am eating a fairly yeast-free diet. Have you found any connections to your ataxia issues, what makes it worse or better? I do know alcohol aggrevates my issues so I have really been watching that. The longer I stay away from glutens it also improves and the vit d seems to have helped.
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Miscarriage, Kidney stones, Anemia, Pneumonia, Migraines, Restless leg, Bone fractures, Blurred/Double vision, Extreme fatigue, Bone & Joint Pain, Thyroid nodule, Celiac diagnosed 2011, Spine and leg bone loss, GERD, Vitamin deficiencies, Malabsorbtion, Neuropathy issues, Ataxia, Raynaud's Syndrome. Currently on diet with limited grain and sugar.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 09:36 AM

We are using the GAPS Diet which is aimed at restoring gut health. I've posted a lot about it on this forum and the blog linked from my profile.
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Posted 23 October 2011 - 07:53 PM

I just read up on what can cause ataxia, and it appears that a deficiency in manganese can cause it. I came to believe that I was low in manganese because my tendons had become floppy....so I know it can happen....and now my tendons are healthy again. You might try supplementing with chelated manganese to see if the ataxia improves. When it comes to celiac, I always suspect nutritional deficiencies are causing symptoms.
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#14 meinelse

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 06:30 AM

I'll look into GAPS and maganese. Thanks for the suggestions--I'm thinking I should have a naturpath look over my lab work to tell me what vit deficiencies I really have. I fear the traditional docs look past some of this.

AVR, my ataxia gets worse when I'm gluten-exposed, definitely, although part of that is hypo related (I'm sort of like a zombie in terms of cognition and movement when I've been glutened). Coffee doesn't help either (I know I need to cut it out but really, can't I have a vice? :) But because I'm not very far into the healing process yet, it's difficult to say what makes it better or worse right now. And I just learned about ataxia, and started connecting the dots, so my awareness of symptoms/environment connections is rather new. I should probably do a symptom diary. What about you? Have you discovered any connections? And if you don't mind, what are your ataxia symptoms like? I have muscle weakness/twitching, peripheral neuropathy (primarily escalated by heat exposure), vision issues, balance/vertigo/depth perception, numbness/cold, raynaud's like symptoms, headaches.
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