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A Miracle?!? - Change In My Reaction To Gluten


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#31 IrishHeart

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 12:44 PM

my teachers do not let us take information from wikipedia. guess there was a problem with their site not always being completely truthful. anyways- celiacs disease can go away in a child. ive interviewed 26 adults who have had celiacs disease as a child and it has disappeared around age 16-25 and has not come back so far. 1 woman, however, has had her celiacs disease reappear at age 28. the rest are living fine. the body is a mystery and anything can happen to it. it can magically heal its self if it wants. you can believe what you want of course but i will continue to study this disease from numerous different sources. i have looked on the internet of course but i rather interview actual gi specialists and nutritionists who actually deal with it on almost a daily basis. not wikipedia lol


I look forward to reading your published studies/interviews someday! It will be interesting to read them.

When you say that Celiac Disease has disappeared, do you mean they can consume gluten with no villous atrophy? This is AMAZING and you may want to write this up for the Celiac Sprue Foundation or GIG. I am serious. Send it to Dr. Fasano. These Celiac Specialists really need to know that people diagnosed with Celiac Disease (considered a treatable, but permanent autoimmune disease you do not "outgrow") are able to consume gluten without intestinal damage.

As to the body magically healing itself, well, gosh, I have hoped for that for myself and so many others who suffer terribly.

We need someone to do the research, so please, continue your studies!

Please see my previous post regarding why I posted from wikipedia.
I wish you well.
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#32 Jestgar

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 02:02 PM

And, BTW, you never did answer Irish's question about where you are in med school. And I'm a bit surprised that you are 21 and already in med school. Most people haven't even finished a Bachelor's degree by that age...

Do some Googling. There are med schools that do a combined program of BA/BS MD, accepting kids out of high school. Most programs are 6-8 years. I can't really find any details on how they choose who to weed out over time, so it's a little curious.

It is, however, my expectation that anyone fully in the medical portion would be able to use capitalization, punctuation, grammar, and know the difference between their, they're, and there.

And someone professing to study the disease ought to know that it is celiac disease, not the plural form.
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 02:23 PM

It is, however, my expectation that anyone fully in the medical portion would be able to use capitalization, punctuation, grammar, and know the difference between their, they're, and there.

And someone professing to study the disease ought to know that it is celiac disease, not the plural form.

My own grouchy thoughts are pretty much the same as that.
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 02:26 PM

It is, however, my expectation that anyone fully in the medical portion would be able to use capitalization, punctuation, grammar, and know the difference between their, they're, and there.

And someone professing to study the disease ought to know that it is celiac disease, not the plural form.



I will say Heidi, that I find some of your posts very hard to read. Our English doesn't need to be perfect here, but some punctuation, capitalization, paragraphs and full sentances make it easier to get a point across. Also, better grammer gives you more credibility.
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 02:32 PM

so i decided to do my own research since i am in medical school and resources are alot easier to get in my schools medical library.

Feel free to post your sources. I'm at a university with a med school and have online (and paper) access to pretty much all reputable journals and books. Be sure to post them in the order you thought of questions so I can follow your train of thought.
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 02:41 PM

Do some Googling. There are med schools that do a combined program of BA/BS MD, accepting kids out of high school. Most programs are 6-8 years. I can't really find any details on how they choose who to weed out over time, so it's a little curious.

It is, however, my expectation that anyone fully in the medical portion would be able to use capitalization, punctuation, grammar, and know the difference between their, they're, and there.

And someone professing to study the disease ought to know that it is celiac disease, not the plural form.



Whew--thanks for bringing this up. :) I dared not say anything since I was already placed in a position of defending myself. I could kick myself for trotting out the wiki article. (what WAS I thinking? :rolleyes: )

I hope that by providing other sources that concur with the brief history of celiac that I have redeemed myself :rolleyes:
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 02:45 PM

Whew--thanks for bringing this up. :) I dared not say anything since I was already placed in a position of defending myself. I could kick myself for trotting out the wiki article. (what WAS I thinking? :rolleyes: )

I hope that by providing other sources that concur with the brief history of celiac that I have redeemed myself :rolleyes:

I really had to control my impulse to get out my red pen, though. :lol:


I think Wiki is a good place to get some starting info. Then you can validate it. Or it gives you an idea of where else to look for info.
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 02:45 PM

My own grouchy thoughts are pretty much the same as that.



:lol: thanks for the giggle...you made my day!
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"Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It's the way it is. The way we cope with it makes the difference." Virginia Satir

"The strongest of all warriors are these two - time and patience." Leo Tolstoy

"If you want to lift yourself up, lift up someone else" Booker T. Washington

“If idiots could fly, the sky would be like an airport.”― Laura Davenport 

"Do or do not. There is no try. "-  Yoda.

"LTES"  Gem 2014

 

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 02:51 PM

Whew--thanks for bringing this up. :) I dared not say anything since I was already placed in a position of defending myself.

If she is in one of these programs now is as good a time as any to start embracing good communication. Adhering to proper written form is important, as is documenting your sources and providing them for others. The internet and ease of access to information has taken us way beyond the stage of just believing what someone tells you - you have to be able to prove it.*


*The preceding is my opinion and not a documented study. :)
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 02:52 PM

I think Wiki is a good place to get some starting info. Then you can validate it. Or it gives you an idea of where else to look for info.


While I would not accept a wiki article as valid in a research paper from students, the articles FROM OTHER SOURCES that I provided for Heidi to read are reliable/valid and say the exact same thing.

ALL OF THE facts in the summary have been cited and referenced and appear to be "legit".

I just thought the brief history of how a DX of celiac evolved might intrigue her.

The point is lost now anyway. :rolleyes:

Believe me, I have TONS of medical articles bookmarked and could have easily "gone there"; I was being lazy and silly me, trying to be helpful...Ah well, dinner is ready. ;) Cheers, all!

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"Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It's the way it is. The way we cope with it makes the difference." Virginia Satir

"The strongest of all warriors are these two - time and patience." Leo Tolstoy

"If you want to lift yourself up, lift up someone else" Booker T. Washington

“If idiots could fly, the sky would be like an airport.”― Laura Davenport 

"Do or do not. There is no try. "-  Yoda.

"LTES"  Gem 2014

 

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 03:02 PM

*The preceding is my opinion and not a documented study. :)



:lol: :lol: :lol: perfect
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"Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It's the way it is. The way we cope with it makes the difference." Virginia Satir

"The strongest of all warriors are these two - time and patience." Leo Tolstoy

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“If idiots could fly, the sky would be like an airport.”― Laura Davenport 

"Do or do not. There is no try. "-  Yoda.

"LTES"  Gem 2014

 

Misdiagnosed for 25+ years; Finally Diagnosed with Celiac  11/01/10.  Double DQ2 genes. This thing tried to kill me. I view Celiac as a fire breathing dragon --and I have run my sword right through his throat.
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 02:28 PM

One of the unfortunate things about this thread is that "celiac disease" is being conflated with "gluten intolerance". What Heidi G. says is true: "theres a difference between celiacs disease and gluten intolerence." That's well-established. The best explanation of this that I've seen comes from Dr. Shelia Crowe here:

http://consults.blog...ods-like-pasta/

A second unfortunate thing about this thread is how disrespectful it's become. I'm not used to that on the celiac board, and it's very off putting. Discussion of the issue(s) has veered off into attacks on a 21-year-old's use of grammar. C'mon, really? All 21 year olds talk like this online; it's quickly written and effective enough.

Heidi G. got her point across pretty clearly actually. And what she says lines up with the points of Dr. Shelia Crowe I refer to above (on gluten intolerance) and with those of a working research biologist who took the time to post links to current research in reputable journals (on celiac), so I have no issue respecting what she says.
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 03:16 PM

Skylark, do you have any stats on remission in Celiacs? I'd be interested in reading it, as far as I'm aware it is so rare its not even considered worth trying. But if you have a peer reviewed study that refutes that I'd like to read it. Not that I'd think it was worth it anyway - surely by the time you have worked out you aren't one of the lucky few you would have done damage???

Also - for celiacs to go back to eating gluten - its just so dangerous. Forget the cancer rate for a second. But I guarantee you that developing other autoimmune diseases as a result of undiagnosed celiac is common. I now have 3 ad there are plenty of people on this site that have more, and believe me - celiac is the least of my worries.

And depending on which studies you read gluten consuming celiacs have between 9 and 39 times the rate of stomach cancer- not sure about you guys. But I think I'd err on the side of caution.
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 03:52 PM

my teachers do not let us take information from wikipedia. guess there was a problem with their site not always being completely truthful. anyways- celiacs disease can go away in a child. ive interviewed 26 adults who have had celiacs disease as a child and it has disappeared around age 16-25 and has not come back so far. 1 woman, however, has had her celiacs disease reappear at age 28. the rest are living fine. the body is a mystery and anything can happen to it. it can magically heal its self if it wants. you can believe what you want of course but i will continue to study this disease from numerous different sources. i have looked on the internet of course but i rather interview actual gi specialists and nutritionists who actually deal with it on almost a daily basis. not wikipedia lol


This is interesting actually, only because I (and lots of people on here) have read more peer reviewed articles on Celiac disease than we care to remember and for myself, I have never come across one that correlates with your study. It will be peer reviewed of course? You can't just expect people to take your word for it. I'm not trying to be mean but it is true. Ever other medical study states the exact opposite of what you have just said, can you please explain that to us?
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 04:09 PM

my teachers do not let us take information from wikipedia. guess there was a problem with their site not always being completely truthful.


Dear oh dear, this! Sorry, but the first thing anyone is told in any Uni course over here is that you aren't allowed to get any information off the internet, not just wikipedia, is that not the case where you are?
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