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Amazing Self Administered Gluten / Soy Test


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#1 Tom2

 
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 12:10 PM

Today, my brother Jeff and I were talking about soy and how that may be our problem since being gluten-free for almost 1 year and still having issues. Jeff remembered a strength test that a ND told us about several years ago and in our brain fog minds we forgot. We tried it on each other with several items like different brands of potato chips, corn meal, beans, candy bars, cans of tomatoes, milk, etc. and the ones with wheat or soy got us every time. I tested OK for milk but he didn’t.

The test is a strength test and involves sitting or standing. Hold the product up tight next to your chest with either hand and raise the other hand/arm straight out at 90 degrees and hold it there. Have another person put one hand on your raised arm and try pressing down on it while you are holding it up with your strength. Product can be in a bag or can or other package and doesn't affect the test.

If your body rejects the product, you will not be able to hold your arm up while the other person is pressing down No Matter how hard you try.

If your body accepts the product, you will be able to hold your arm up with little trouble.

We are not Soy free yet but every product we tried with soy but no gluten – we were not able to hold our arms up. This test showed us that we both have serious problems with soy. It also showed he cant tolerate milk but I can.

It really does work and I would like your comments.

Also, a little harder to do, but with practice you can do the same thing with holding up next to your chest and rocking your body back and forth. If your body rocks forward it is OK – but if your body rocks backward it rejects product. I am not as good with this method as the other that takes 2 people.

Hope this helps you, as it was an eye opener for both of us.

I am sure it works with medicine, vitamins, Minerals or Supplements also!!!

ENJOY
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 01:23 PM

That's pretty funny! And a bit sad, if you payed someone for that advice!

I have some pills that will cure any food intolerance. Don't be worried that they look and taste like Skittles! :D
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 01:35 PM

Kareng: Don't laugh till you try it. I challenge you and anyone else to give it a try before thinking it is a snake oil sham. It really does work.
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 01:49 PM

WOW :blink: He's pulling our leg....but then, that might work too! ;)
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 01:51 PM

hmm.....doesn't sound like the kind of thing I'd base my health decisions on....
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 01:53 PM

Actually, I don't think it's such a funny joke anymore. I think he is disrespecting and making fun of the people with very real health issues who read and respond on this site.
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 01:59 PM

It's not making fun, kareng. I've seen this body testing method used in siincerity by many alternative health care practitioners. I'm sure OP didnt make it up to tease people.
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 02:25 PM

Ok. I could see this if the food wasn 't sealed in a can. If they are reacting to anything, it's the can or glue or label. Or the fact that they know what's in the can.

I just see him sitting at home laughing that he got a bunch of people to try this. It's like those games you play at a Girl Scout sleepover.
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 02:32 PM

Ok. I could see this if the food wasn 't sealed in a can. If they are reacting to anything, it's the can or glue or label. Or the fact that they know what's in the can.

I just see him sitting at home laughing that he got a bunch of people to try this. It's like those games you play at a Girl Scout sleepover.



or maybe magic. B)

Seriously, the only way to determine gluten in a product is to simple read the label - no magic at all, just common sense.
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 02:43 PM

There are many people who do believe this, and actually do make food choices based on such testing. My housesitter is one of them, although I am gradually getting her into more scientific choices. :blink: At least she has abandoned the soy that was driving her hypothyroidism to the whackiest levels (once I convinced her to have them tested).

The NAET testing never did show the adverse effects of soy upon her body.

Edited by mushroom, 02 November 2011 - 03:34 PM.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 02:46 PM

I'm putting this idea in the same group as the inexpensive lawyer and the honest politician. Or, as Mr. Roarke would say, "Welcome to Fantasy Island." :ph34r:
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 03:19 PM

This is part of NAET testing.....for many it is a strange concept..Mainly because most believe in only FDA regulated treatment & drugs... They will not look for alternative forms of help. NO I DO NOT in any form believe this practice will cure anything but it is used by a large group of alternative practitioners in the holistic world.....to dx allergies...our forefathers did not have the medical marvels that we see today.. BUt again there was much less illness back in the old days.. today we look for a pill for a cure-all.. Did you ever read all the side effects of these modern day drugs, they can be deadly alone without the illness... I have heard many say the chemo drugs are far worse than the cancer itself.....
So, just my opinion is that if someone can use their own body without drugs to finds a problem & they feel better then no harm done......I actually used to use this method years ago & a practitioner found a serious problem that he turn sent me to my PCP & later to a surgeon... I'm grateful this problem was found & fixed.....the only problem is finding a practitioner who truly understands the body... Way to many Quacks out there so hence the bad raps come...

Just think what did your grandparents use or do for finding things before modern medicine....they had to think outside the box....

some people are just dependent on a drug instead of trying to heal in a more natural way , drugs are like a badge of armour , I guess...
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 04:46 PM

This is part of NAET testing.....for many it is a strange concept..Mainly because most believe in only FDA regulated treatment & drugs... They will not look for alternative forms of help. NO I DO NOT in any form believe this practice will cure anything but it is used by a large group of alternative practitioners in the holistic world.....to dx allergies...our forefathers did not have the medical marvels that we see today.. BUt again there was much less illness back in the old days.. today we look for a pill for a cure-all.. Did you ever read all the side effects of these modern day drugs, they can be deadly alone without the illness... I have heard many say the chemo drugs are far worse than the cancer itself.....
So, just my opinion is that if someone can use their own body without drugs to finds a problem & they feel better then no harm done......I actually used to use this method years ago & a practitioner found a serious problem that he turn sent me to my PCP & later to a surgeon... I'm grateful this problem was found & fixed.....the only problem is finding a practitioner who truly understands the body... Way to many Quacks out there so hence the bad raps come...

Just think what did your grandparents use or do for finding things before modern medicine....they had to think outside the box....

some people are just dependent on a drug instead of trying to heal in a more natural way , drugs are like a badge of armour , I guess...



Mamaw - I highly respect your opinion and expertise. But this is what I am referring to specifically:

"Also, a little harder to do, but with practice you can do the same thing with holding up next to your chest and rocking your body back and forth. If your body rocks forward it is OK – but if your body rocks backward it rejects product. I am not as good with this method as the other that takes 2 people."

I think alternative medicine/theories has it's place after conventional diagnosis has not met a cause, reason and cure.
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 06:06 PM

.....the only problem is finding a practitioner who truly understands the body... Way to many Quacks out there so hence the bad raps come...

This sums up my thinking on a lot of alternative medicine. There's a lot of knowledge and unorthodox science out there, and a lot of ways to fix things that aren't part of western medicine. Sadly, there are far more people who are ignorant of the details and only have some idea of the concept. These are the people who give alternative medicine a bad name.

Maybe it is possible for your body to resist something that's bad for you, or maybe it's just you knowing and controlling your arm. Show me blinded studies - they would be incredibly easy to do - and I'll consider the concept. If it's just your friend or brother handing you something, doesn't count.
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 06:12 PM



Maybe it is possible for your body to resist something that's bad for you, or maybe it's just you knowing and controlling your arm. Show me blinded studies - they would be incredibly easy to do - and I'll consider the concept. If it's just your friend or brother handing you something, doesn't count.


This is what happened with my housesitter and soy. She demonstrated to me that she did not react to soy :ph34r: but then went to a new practitioner in whom she has implicit faith who demonstrated to her that she did.
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Potato starch free July 2009
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Legume free March 2010
Now tolerant of lactose

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