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#16 Di2011

 
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 01:08 AM

I'm in no way whatsoever a technical person but I do wonder about grain fed animal consumption. I am what I call a "basics realist" - keep real and keep it basic.

Why is there so many claims that pasture feed is better?

"You are what you eat"

If something ate me at the moment with my skin affected gluten induced problems would it be good for them? I wouldn't wish me on them. Something isn't right so I couldn't be good for another animal consumer.

I have yet to read a formal study on the animal consumption who has consumed grains, so if anyone can send me in the right direction I would appreciate it.

If I ditch dairy my bones will get brittle, if I take too much carcinogen I may develop cancers. Why is grains and glutens so less invasive?
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 02:36 AM

I'm in no way whatsoever a technical person but I do wonder about grain fed animal consumption. I am what I call a "basics realist" - keep real and keep it basic.

Why is there so many claims that pasture feed is better?

"You are what you eat"

If something ate me at the moment with my skin affected gluten induced problems would it be good for them? I wouldn't wish me on them. Something isn't right so I couldn't be good for another animal consumer.

I have yet to read a formal study on the animal consumption who has consumed grains, so if anyone can send me in the right direction I would appreciate it.

If I ditch dairy my bones will get brittle, if I take too much carcinogen I may develop cancers. Why is grains and glutens so less invasive?

Unfortunately, most of my bookmarks are on my computer in the U.S., and I have very little here - I will have to import them. I have read studies (mostly on lectins (since that is my area of interest) where corn lectins have been found in the flesh of cattle, lectins being particularly indigestible and not designed particularly for cows' stomachs, but I have no reference for that tonight, and it is too late to try to recreate it. Lectins are pretty ubiquitous - in grasses, legumes - including soy, corn, nightshades, citrus, dairy.... However, you might be interested in this study done on rats by Dr. Freed and his group - it is anecdotal but has some referrences to studies: http://www.drdavidfr...ectingroup.html So yes, we definitely are what we eat and a gluten eating organism may well not be very healthy or health-giving. See if you stilll think grains are less invasive after reading the article. They have done a number on me.

I personally cannot eat feedlot beef, only organic grass-fed. Whether it be the lectins or the antibiotics or the hormones or all of the above, goodness only knows. But it does make one wonder, even though I don't have the same problem with pork. Maybe pigs have digestive systems more suited to grains/lectins than cows.

And incidentally, google calcium sources - there are plenty of other sources besides dairy.
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 06:38 AM

Skylark answered the question for you , but in case you ask about eggs next (because many do :) ) here is a link to FAQ about gluten and if it is "passed through animals into their meat" or absorbed through the skin, etc.
If a packaged meat is marinated or has a spice rub or coating, however, then that's a whole different issue.

http://www.gluten-fr...disease.FAQ.htm


My apologies; it appears the link I provided earlier in the thread was broken.

Source: g f -glutenfree.com


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Q. If I am a celiac, can I eat meat from animals that are fed on a grain diet?

A. All (non- processed) meat is gluten free. If the animal is fed a grain that contains gluten i.e. wheat or barley, the gluten is broken down during the digestive process (within the animal) and is not passed into the body tissues or any products produced by the animal i.e. Milk.

As for any scientific data, well, I'm still looking.
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 08:56 AM

I just had someone here in Poland tell me that I shouldn't eat grain fed meat because it would cause a reaction. I'd never heard that before...and since grass fed meat is oh, gonna be just about impossible to find where I am I'm glad it isn't the case! It was hard enough finding 'organic' which in this case means a little old lady near my daughter's school who raises turkeys and ducks -- I tell her what I want and the day I want it. She then slaughters, plucks and butchers it the morning of the day I want to get it.

So thank you all for posting and answering this question!
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 09:11 AM

I just had someone here in Poland tell me that I shouldn't eat grain fed meat because it would cause a reaction. I'd never heard that before...and since grass fed meat is oh, gonna be just about impossible to find where I am I'm glad it isn't the case! It was hard enough finding 'organic' which in this case means a little old lady near my daughter's school who raises turkeys and ducks -- I tell her what I want and the day I want it. She then slaughters, plucks and butchers it the morning of the day I want to get it.

So thank you all for posting and answering this question!


That's about as fresh as it gets! Must be very tasty! :)

I am still looking for any scientific evidence that gluten can pass into an animal's meat and then affect those gluten intolerants who eat it.

Just so we can put this issue to rest!

If an animal is sick, well, yes, that's a different thing.

If you--or anyone finds anything--please DO TELL. I am interested.

But I am VERY skeptical.

How can so many celiacs recover from flattened villi and be healthy if this were the case? right??
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Posted 19 December 2011 - 06:06 AM

The ultimate proof for me is that the vast majority -- a huge percentage -- of folks with celiac eat any meat they like and are perfectly fine. In fact, on my doctor's orders I ate meat at every meal as I was recovering from undiagnosed celiac that nearly killed me, and yet I made a full and complete recovery after 11 days in the hospital and missing 10 weeks of work. I never once checked the feed status of the meat I consumed.

Anybody who wants to continue to fret about grain-fed meat containing gluten is of course welcome to do so, but any new folks reading this thread should realize that there are other much more important things to worry about.

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 07:04 AM

Anybody who wants to continue to fret about grain-fed meat containing gluten is of course welcome to do so, but any new folks reading this thread should realize that there are other much more important things to worry about.

richard


EXACTLY!!! and amen to that!

I eat lots of meat protein--- as my muscles were severely impacted and I was sick for many years---I am healing just fine. :)
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"Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It's the way it is. The way we cope with it makes the difference." Virginia Satir

"The strongest of all warriors are these two - time and patience." Leo Tolstoy

"If you want to lift yourself up, lift up someone else" Booker T. Washington

“If idiots could fly, the sky would be like an airport.”― Laura Davenport 

"Do or do not. There is no try. "-  Yoda.

"LTES"  Gem 2014

 

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 02:34 PM

As for the rest, it seems to me the fat is important to healing neurological issues. Myelin is made primarily of fat, after all.


Not to mention that fat is our only other source of energy besides glucose. :)

I also had a horrible time kicking sugar and starch - I'd say it took me nearly three months to not feel addicted any more. Staying completely away from it was key for me... as was eating enough fat. When I don't eat fat, I crave sugar.


I have exactly the same issue. My craving for carbs is tied to my fat intake. If I'm getting most of my calories from fat and the remainder from protein then I'm OK. If I drop my fat intake I start craving carbs.
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Undiagnosed for 20 years since first symptoms.
March 2009 - Negative Blood work
April 24, 2009 - Gluten-free
April 29, 2009 - Notably positive response to gluten-free Diet.
May 2, 2009 Dairy Free
May 6, 2009, Soy Free
May 27, 2009 Enterolab Results: Positive Anti-gliadin IgA, tTG IgA, Casein, HLA DQ2.2, HLA DQ8
June 4, 2009 Refined sugar free (except Raw Honey, pure Maple syrup)
June 29, 2009, Dad diagnosed Celiac by GI specialist via blood work and dietary response.
July 2009, Dad's gene test: double DQ8! Thanks Dad - I'll try to get you something nice for Christmas! :)
August 8, 2009 Really Soy free this time - Thanks Blue Diamond for the soy lecithin in the almond milk! :(

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 02:58 PM

Also, not to start a flamewar, but there are a couple interesting (to me) articles listed below that indirectly address this issue and re-opens the question for me if the food of the food we eat really does affect us or not. I do know people who cannot eat poultry fed soy soy fed poultry, or corn fed beef for example.

We incorporate genetic information from the food we eat

RNA from Rice alters gene expression

MicroRNA Cellular Function

When I first started reading about this a couple of things occurred to me. One would obviously be the impact of gluten (and other proteins) in the expression/activation of the gene(s) for Celiac Disease.

The second thing had to do with environmental adaptation (e.g. micro-evolution as opposed to macro evolution). So if scientists have traced the ancestor of the polar bear to a single brown bear from northern Ireland, I found the implied possibility that adaptation is triggered by the food eaten in the region rather than other environmental factors to be fascinating.

*Edited because you don't feed your poultry to your soy. At least I don't! :P

Edited by Korwyn, 19 December 2011 - 03:00 PM.

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Undiagnosed for 20 years since first symptoms.
March 2009 - Negative Blood work
April 24, 2009 - Gluten-free
April 29, 2009 - Notably positive response to gluten-free Diet.
May 2, 2009 Dairy Free
May 6, 2009, Soy Free
May 27, 2009 Enterolab Results: Positive Anti-gliadin IgA, tTG IgA, Casein, HLA DQ2.2, HLA DQ8
June 4, 2009 Refined sugar free (except Raw Honey, pure Maple syrup)
June 29, 2009, Dad diagnosed Celiac by GI specialist via blood work and dietary response.
July 2009, Dad's gene test: double DQ8! Thanks Dad - I'll try to get you something nice for Christmas! :)
August 8, 2009 Really Soy free this time - Thanks Blue Diamond for the soy lecithin in the almond milk! :(

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 03:11 PM

EXACTLY!!! and amen to that!

I eat lots of meat protein--- as my muscles were severely impacted and I was sick for many years---I am healing just fine. :)


Ditto! There are a lot more important things to worry. I'm very sensitive and meat has been essential to my healing. :)

The links I posted above were more for those who are interested in reading up on the subject and my point was more intended to be that there should be more research on the subject and it might not be an entirely closed case for some people.
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Undiagnosed for 20 years since first symptoms.
March 2009 - Negative Blood work
April 24, 2009 - Gluten-free
April 29, 2009 - Notably positive response to gluten-free Diet.
May 2, 2009 Dairy Free
May 6, 2009, Soy Free
May 27, 2009 Enterolab Results: Positive Anti-gliadin IgA, tTG IgA, Casein, HLA DQ2.2, HLA DQ8
June 4, 2009 Refined sugar free (except Raw Honey, pure Maple syrup)
June 29, 2009, Dad diagnosed Celiac by GI specialist via blood work and dietary response.
July 2009, Dad's gene test: double DQ8! Thanks Dad - I'll try to get you something nice for Christmas! :)
August 8, 2009 Really Soy free this time - Thanks Blue Diamond for the soy lecithin in the almond milk! :(

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 10:11 PM

I get sick after eating eggs, and my husband had the idea that if chockens fed a wheat grain diet could affect their eggs. Crazy idea?! Yes. But after doing research on chickens with their diets high in soy, and soy being found in their eggs, it really doesn't seem so crazy after all.

http://celiacdisease...Gluten-Free.htm

If you're like me, if something makes me sick once, twice, I'm definitely not gonna try it again to see if the 3rd times the charm. So, I'm avoiding eating eggs in the "raw", eating them in baked good hasn't affected me, but a friend egg makes me feel like death! -.-
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