Pau D Arco Tea

[collgwg]

does anyone drink this tea i thought i would see with all of you if it would be safe for me to drink

im being treated for candidia and leaky gut and i might as well talk to the dog for as much info i can get from my dr's so im hoping you all have suggestions on this tea

thanks

[collgwg]

i have tryed peppermint, green tea,Chamomile tea, decaf tetly tea and chai tea

all seem to burn my guts

i would love something soothing and gentle on the guts

any suggestions ?

[IrishHeart]

The Pau d'arco tea is used to detox the body and is considered a more gentle, natural anti-yeast detoxifying agent than say, prescription anti-fungals. Opinions vary as to whether or not it works.

I used it for a few weeks a few years ago upon the suggestion of an ND and an integrative MD. I was so sick and in burning pain from my mouth down---so all it did was make me feel worse. BUT that was MY experience.

It may stir up some yucky feelings while you use it. Before I was DXed, they had me trying every darn herbal remedy there is, but quite frankly, in a ravaged gut, this can sometimes be counterproductive--as it was for me.

Other people on here report great success with this approach to healing their leaky guts and I wish it had worked for me too.

In the end, despite trying thousands of dollars' worth of remedies and supplements and getting NO relief, once I removed gluten from my diet, the gut calmed down. However, it took me many months as I was an UnDXed celiac for MANY years.

All you can do is try it and see.

Here is a link that explains what the tea is and what it is used for.

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May I ask you something--you seem to be having a really bad time with your gut, hon--have you had all the testing done and this is what they determined? candida? leaky gut? An MD or a ND? Just curious and I feel really bad for you that you are not getting relief.

I was in your shoes for 3 years. It's awful, I know. ((hugs))

[collgwg]

i have not really had much testing done i have had a barrium swallow drink the white chalky stuff i had routien blood work and dr tested a while a go for celiac and said the numbers were not showing much and there is no need to test further so why can i not tolorate any grains heck i can not tolorate anything

all my allergist says is yeast free lactose free wheat free no root vegies can not digest red meat i pritty much eat chicken some green beans bit of romaine leaf lettuce lactose free milk rice chex sea salt black pepper

anything else im having a ton of reactions

and cause its the season and what girl can not resist chocolate lol i had a couple ohhhh bad idea that was burning guts hives muscle akes headake dizzy oh good grif this is awful

i tryed basmiti brown rice i was in bed for 2 days im still sore from it i could have had a sandwich and have it taste better and get the same results lol

i can not seem to get any dr to figure out what is wrong with me so i came here to the pc to see what i can find

leaky gut and candidia seems to fit but usually can you not tolorate some foods on these diets

i have now lost 53 lbs yea i look good but omg i cant find anything to eat that is soothing filling and good or get any relif from anything

oh and when i eat something like the rice or even try a diffrent food of any kind i get in trouble from both allergy dr and GP for not following the diet properly i feel like im going in circles and not getting any where i have been of work for a year due to this

i have also noticed once i do go to the bathroom my food is not getting digested i have told the dr this and she just said chew your food better i cant find another dr around here they are not taking patients

another reason why im here for advice no one else is willing to help

thank you irishheart hugs back

[IrishHeart]

If someone already suggested this to you, forgive me for repeating it.

Have you tried probiotics??? they worked wonders in straightening out my gut and replenishing the good bacteria that leaky guts need.

Just a suggestion.

[collgwg]

i took one yesterday and it seemed to burn my guts i have not had one to day guts are too burney and sore

i tryed to eat oatmeal today and that scraped and it burning

i ate rice chex and lf milk i had agave on the oatmeal and i think that is causeing burn as well other than that i have not eaten anything else too burney

im taking nystead i think that is how you spell it its antifungal the allergist put me on it i see him in 2 weeks its every 2 weeks i see him and give the food journal

[IrishHeart]

You are on Nystatin, then. Oral lozenge or powder? Ok, Yes, I am familiar with this drug. My good friend with yeast outbreaks takes this.

Hon, do you see a gastro doctor??

You need to drink a LOT of water with a probiotic. I would suggest you keep taking it, but you can ask your doctor first if you are not sure. But they should NOT hurt you; they are beneficial.

How long have you had this burning GI tract? How long has he been treating you?

I am not being nosy, honest, I am trying to help you, but I do not know how long you've been treating this leaky gut.

[collgwg]

i do not mind the questions at all and love the help

for the Nystatin its liquid i take 5 ml morning and night for 30 days

as for the gastro dr no im not seeing anyone my GP put in a request a while ago and was denied not suvere enough

it all started back in feb with suvere diareah and ended up in hosp in april and have been omiting lots of foods fir it was lactose then wheat then when looking for a milk i turned to soy and found out i have a suvere reaction to it

GP sent me to see an allergist got tested with the skin test and reacted to lactose choc wheat soy grass ragweed birch hay weeds dust trees cats maple

and all the related foods

i did have a colonoscpy and they took biopseys of the inflamed area tested for parisites chrons celiac and something else i cant remember all tests were neg at that time that was april 2nd

thanks for trying to help i don't mind answering any questions

[IrishHeart]

You poor babe. This is a bit baffling, but maybe we can at least get the D under control. Do you still have that?

If you are constantly having D, you are surely dehydrated. Drink a LOT of water.

How did this allergist determine it was a YEAST infection? Unless you have a raging one you can SEE?

Honestly, the best thing for the diarrhea is probiotics.

Works for everyone I know. Worked for me.

Can you try them again? Keep taking them every day.

Try Culturelle--just get the dairy free ones.

So, for 8 months, you have been treating all this as if they are allergies and a leaky gut, right?

What else are you taking right now?

[GFinDC]

Pro-biotics are a good idea. I'd also avoid sugar in any form, in case it is candida, and starch also. Oats are a no no for me and 10 to 15% of celiacs. Are you taking anything that blocks or decreases stomach acid? That can be bad as it lets all comers into your system. If you can try some Betaine HCL every few days to see if it helps.

Mastic gum is something I have just started trying but it seems to help my stomach pain. Thanks to advice from Burdee. It helps with h.pylori and is antibacterial.

Just some ideas of things to try. I hope you get better soon!

[collgwg]

i tryed to eat eggs today i burned and hurt going down once it got there terrible gut pain until i ended up pukeing it was awful

now my guts are killing me burning it feels like i have little sores all through my intestine wall and stomach

im so hungry up set crying depressed i had to go to a pot luck and there was nothing at all i could eat

i ate rice chex lactose free milk and that is burning scraping going down

i have been eating oatmeal lately and as hungry as i am now i do not think that would even be a wize idea i feel as if it would hurt and scrape going down

i am not having D unless i consume gluten lactose and god knows what else

yes i have been dealing with this since feb 28th my gp just sent me to an allergist and i have been deleting foods ever since to where i am here today unable to eat anything

i plan on having butter nut squash green beans and homemade cranberries with agave and gravy and mabe a sweet potato but im not sure i ill be able to do that

gp gave me a rx for zantac for the stomach acid and that just caused D rash all over my arms and legs and it really hurt burned

i have not had a yeast infection in a long time but he insists i take the anti fungal and go on this diet wich to me is not a diet im starving and i have no idea what to choose to eat

thank you so much for all your help as im jsut at my wits end here

oh and merry christmas to you all

[Bubba's Mom]

i tryed to eat eggs today i burned and hurt going down once it got there terrible gut pain until i ended up pukeing it was awful

now my guts are killing me burning it feels like i have little sores all through my intestine wall and stomach

im so hungry up set crying depressed i had to go to a pot luck and there was nothing at all i could eat

i ate rice chex lactose free milk and that is burning scraping going down

i have been eating oatmeal lately and as hungry as i am now i do not think that would even be a wize idea i feel as if it would hurt and scrape going down

i am not having D unless i consume gluten lactose and god knows what else

yes i have been dealing with this since feb 28th my gp just sent me to an allergist and i have been deleting foods ever since to where i am here today unable to eat anything

i plan on having butter nut squash green beans and homemade cranberries with agave and gravy and mabe a sweet potato but im not sure i ill be able to do that

gp gave me a rx for zantac for the stomach acid and that just caused D rash all over my arms and legs and it really hurt burned

i have not had a yeast infection in a long time but he insists i take the anti fungal and go on this diet wich to me is not a diet im starving and i have no idea what to choose to eat

thank you so much for all your help as im jsut at my wits end here

oh and merry christmas to you all

Oh sweetie...I feel so bad for you! I'm still having trouble too, and trying to sort it all out. If they are suspecting a yeast overgrowth any grains, starchy foods, or sugars would feed it, so should be avoided. Your oatmeal may have CC and the Rice Chex have soy I think? I had to quit eating them. If you were reacting badly to soy..eating anything with even a small bit will keep you inflamed and miserable...for days. Check any supplements you may be taking for it. Look for tocopherol in your vitamins too. It can be made from wheat or soy.

Culturelle probiotics are your friend. You can take them a couple of times a day.

This is an awful way to be feeling at holiday time. Next year will be *our year* right?

Some brands of chicken or beef broth are gluten-free and soy free. Get some and warm it in the microwave and sip on it as often as you like. It's healing to your body.

Also I thought I'd mention..sometimes as you are being treated for yeast they emit a toxin as they die off. That alone can have you feeling poorly.

Drink lots of water..it helps flush everything through.

[collgwg]

thanks i was not sure about the probiotics seeing as there is not much food in there and when to take them both doc's say they are not sure if they work you can try them and see what happens

so the probiotic is wellquest kind acidophilus 6billion active cells naturally sourced no art colors flavours prervatives no wheat

when should i take this

for the multi vit its called multifactors women's vit mineral vegarian cap

when would be a good time to take this

there is none of this tocopherol in the vit's there are a huge list of stuff including digestive enzymes

i did make some chicken the other day and put the liquid in a canning jar it sealed and i put it in the fridge after my last post i went and got some and heated it up and i think it did sooth my guts down some

and i just took a probiotic i tryed some yogurt and it burned and hurt

im going to go sip on some chicken broth and go lay down for a while

big hugs to you all thank you so much for helping me god bless you all

[Bubba's Mom]

The probiotics are to populate your intestines with *good* bacteria..the kind that helps digestion. You can take it any time during the day..with or without food.

It's important for the good bacteria to repopulate the area when the yeast is dying off, rather than have *bad* bacteria take over the turf.

I think that most multi-vitamins should be taken with some food? Some of the B vitamins can upset your tummy if taken without food.

Sipping on broth can be helpful to sooth your system and promote healing. Nibbling on things rather than loading up on a heavy meal is good too.

Best wishes to you.

(((hugs)))

[IrishHeart]

You may want to lay off the yogurt for a while, hon. Dairy is dairy. Try no milk at all, even the "lactose-free" stuff because it may be the casein in the dairy (which is the protein) that is bothering you.

I'd be interested in knowing how an allergist diagnosed a lactose "allergy"--as I have never heard of that.

Can you use So Delicious Coconut milk? It gives me no grief whatsoever. There is no soy in it.

Please try to take the probiotic daily, okay? Acidophillus is only ONE type of probiotic. You need a MULTI-STRAIN probiotic. Please, just try the CULTURELLE Dairy and gluten- free probiotic for one month. Get them at any drug store.

MY GI DOC highly recommends them and they are backed by peer-reviewed research.

Any doctor who is helping you heal a leaky gut SHOULD know about the benefits of probiotics!!!

I really, honestly think it will help crowd out the bad bacteria and put a stop to that burning, churning. My GI tract burned horribly from my mouth, down my throat to my intestines to my rectum. It was agony for 2 YEARS! I replenished my gut with probiotics after my DX for several months and now, I am FINE!!

I wonder about taking the Nystatin. Those anti-fungals do a number on the gut. Unless you absolutely need it because you have a VISIBLE raging yeast infection??--I do not know why this doctor tells you to stay on it when you are obviously having severe gut reactions while taking them?? (that is one of the side effects)

This is my humble opinion, but sweetie, if you have been treated since April for "just a leaky gut", you would be feeling better by now. This is why I suggest them to you.

Most of us have LOW stomach acid,not too much, so taking ZANTAC could be making things worse. They sure did for me!!

I am not sure these docs know what's best for you. IMHO

No dairy for awhile and see if that helps.

Take the probiotics.

Lots of water and beef or chicken broth.

Eat small portions of any food you can tolerate throughout the day.

Also, Digestive enzymes are VERY beneficial. Check to see they are Gluten and dairy free. Take them BEFORE you eat.

Keep me posted. IH

[kareng]

Wait a minute! You said you had a colonoscopy. Did you have an endoscopy? That's the one that starts in the mouth and goes done thru the stomach & into the intestines? The colonoscopy come up thru the back end.

Have they looked for an ulcer? I ask because my mom has been having burning and pain when she swallowed. She couldn't tell if it was stomach or throat. They did an endoscopy, turns out she has an ulcer all the way around her esophagus just above the stomach. They are giving her something that coats and numbs before she eats. This helps a little.

[IrishHeart]

Wait a minute! You said you had a colonoscopy. Did you have an endoscopy? That's the one that starts in the mouth and goes done thru the stomach & into the intestines? The colonoscopy come up thru the back end.

Have they looked for an ulcer? I ask because my mom has been having burning and pain when she swallowed. She couldn't tell if it was stomach or throat. They did an endoscopy, turns out she has an ulcer all the way around her esophagus just above the stomach. They are giving her something that coats and numbs before she eats. This helps a little.

Excellent point, Karen!! I am so focused on trying to get this poor girl out of the burning pain, I failed to see that part. However, she did have the upper GI series with the barium drink which would have shown any abnormalities of the tract. But does it pick up ulcers?

She said the doctor said her problem was "not severe enough" to warrant a GI doctor...?? This is crazy how much she suffers.

[collgwg]

im not quite sure how the allergist came up with all of the intolorances

he just did the skin prick test and from reading my journals he put me on this diet and started treating me for candidia

i agree no yogurt

yes coconut milk is delish i love it but only get it once in a while as its just so expencieve for my budget what is your best usage for coconut milk?

all of these foods are quite forgien to me i have to do reserch to figure out how to use alot of these foods like agave nectar never heard of it until now lol

ill look for that probiotic on thursday when dh gets payed

the nystain now not too sure why the allergist put me on it as i do not even have a yeast infection but i did get very itchy down there when i was eating spelt bread but once i stoped eating it i felt better i eat no grains no flours of any kind i have tryed rice flour i have tryed gluten free flour and ended up creating a new kind of plastic or kitchen spounge lol my baking sucks big time when it comes to gluten free and everything free lol

im not sure these docs know what is the best either i think they are just saying here try this here take that here go on this diet and hope the hell something works

other than dairy in the yogurt omited that back in feb

i took the probiotics today

thank you so very much for helping me

[IrishHeart]

The So Delicious Coconut milk is in the dairy section in a red carton and it is not much more expensive than cow's milk. If you just use it on your gluten-free cereal, it lasts a week.

There is a major difference between allergies and intolerances which is why I am so perplexed. If he did a skin prick test, those are allergies. There is no way he can determine a food intolerance from skin testing.

What kind of symptoms did you have??

If spelt gave you the itchies, then you are gluten intolerant for sure.

If you are not showing any signs of a yeast infection, I do not understand why you are taking a powerful anti-fungal. This is my opinion, and I am not a doctor and you should do what's best for you. But if I were being treated for 8 months by someone and I still had that awful burning pain you have, I would look for help elsewhere. Hon, you are obviously in distress.

I wasted too much time myself listening to doctors when all along, I had celiac.

As far as gluten-free baking goes, it is tricky as first, but we make a gluten-free sandwich bread that comes out "squishy" I can send you the recipe in a PM if you want?

[IrishHeart]

I just reread everything you wrote here and the chocolate probably had soy lecithin and sugar in it and that may be why you had a reaction.

Try to avoid chocolate and sugar for a few weeks, okay?

The oats may NOT be gluten-free....check the label and tell me what kind it is.

Maybe we can get to the bottom of this. The few foods you are eating may not be nourishing enough.

A leaky gut protocol calls for:

Probiotics and digestive enzymes.

Do you have any of those enzymes? Take one before each meal.

Can you tolerate rice at all?

Why did he tell you to avoid root veggies?????

[collgwg]

i started with the probiotics and the vitimian with the digestive enz

and i did not react like i did in the past

and the burning has calmed down

mabe it was the die off what ever it was im feeling much better that i have in a long time

i was even able to tolorate spelt that i used in the gravy

i also made a huge pot of turkey broth i simmered the bones all day and kept testing it yum best i have made in a long time

i agree the dr's im seeing are not helping or doing much thank god for this fourm or i would prob be in hosp

thank you all for your advice expecially irish heart

[IrishHeart]

i started with the probiotics and the vitimian with the digestive enz

and i did not react like i did in the past

and the burning has calmed down

mabe it was the die off what ever it was im feeling much better that i have in a long time

i was even able to tolorate spelt that i used in the gravy

i also made a huge pot of turkey broth i simmered the bones all day and kept testing it yum best i have made in a long time

i agree the dr's im seeing are not helping or doing much thank god for this fourm or i would prob be in hosp

thank you all for your advice expecially irish heart

Oh honey ---- Spelt is wheat!!! I would avoid spelt!!

But I am very happy to hear you are feeling better!!! YAAY!!!

Okay, stay on the probiotics, drink lots of water and enjoy your turkey soup!

Keep me posted!!