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#1 Melissa Palomo

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 02:43 PM

Ok, I've done a little bit of research and come up empty handed on this. Last year I started seeing a chiropractor - it only lasted a few sessions before I realized we didn't mesh. In addition to chiropractic medicine, he also is into holistic care. I have a wrist issue, not the best posture, celiac disease, and thyroid issues so I figured I would love to see what this guy says and to see if I can start feeling better (primarily with my neck/wrist issues.)

The Dr was reluctant to even take me as a client because I told him that I did not believe he could cure my Celiac disease. He suggested that it would be possible with the right diet to start, and the right supplements, and he said that he had another Celiac patient that had been cured. Of course, my scientific mind said "I'd like to see an "before & after" endoscopy as proof of that." To which he responded "Well if she's feeling better, isn't that enough proof?" Eh, not really. I mean, I would be shocked if I started feeling better eating gluten - but it doesn't mean that it isn't still doing long term damage and perhaps the short term effects are just being masked now?

Anyway - a friend of mine also told me her child no longer suffers the "gluten battle" after being treated by a chiropractor (after a confirmed Celiac diagnosis.) Where is this information coming from? Does anyone have any study references that suggest either side? (I'll sit firmly in the "I can't be cured by a chiropractor" camp for now - but I am always open minded to read scientific studies.) I am of course worried that people are being led off track by people peddling their supplements and making choices that can harm them in the long run - particularly when I see *no* proof otherwise. And if there were real proof, wouldn't people be screaming from the rooftops?

I mean, I know I would be thrilled to eat a cinnabon again so heck yes, if I could find a real & legitimate cure I wouldn't be opposed to it! I'm just skeptical, and I think for good reason. ;)
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 03:52 PM

I would be very cautious before accepting that a chiropractor (or anyone) can "cure" celiac disease. Any medical evidence I have seen states that the only effective treatment is a total gluten-free diet. And any variation to that - even when symptoms don't arise - will contribute to long-term damage to the intestinal villi which are required to function properly for nutrient absorption. I'm afraid Cinnabon is not in your future, until a true medical cure is found :(
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#3 Melissa Palomo

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 04:56 PM

Oh I know - as mentioned it's not a belief that I subscribe to and I don't see this chiropractor any longer. I was looking for thoughts & perhaps others that have found evidence whether for or directly against this?? :)
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 05:10 PM

Well, I'm curious. What would this Chiro do to cure someone?

Btw, no I don't think a cure is possible with what is currently known and available. If he really had a cure I think he'd be rather famous, don't you?
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 05:28 PM

I too would be cautious about trusting that a chiropractor can "cure" celiac disease. I know quite a bit about chiropractic as I worked in the marketing department of a chiropractic college for 5 1/2 years, and they are not taught that they can "cure" anything at all.

I go to a chiropractor regularly and have for years and years now because I know it helps keep me healthy -- keeps my seasonal allergies in control for one thing, keeps my immune system healthy so I can usually fight off colds, etc. But even going to her regularly did not keep me from being diagnosed with celiac a couple months ago. But my chiropractor has been a bigger help in helping me understand it, advising me on gluten-free food choices and just providing better info and someone who really takes the time to listen and help than my gastroenterologist has.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 05:36 PM

Celiac is an autoimmune disease.
Like all other AI diseases, there is no known cure. There is a proven treatment that brings about remission of symptoms which is achieved through strict dietary compliance on a gluten free diet.

That's it.

There is no magic bullet. Chiropractic, reiki, special "gluten ease" enzymes, salt water cleanses, magic potions, supplements and homeopathy--THESE do NOT cure celiac disease. Sorry.

I keep saying this to people who suggest this is possible, but I will say it again:

IF THERE WERE A KNOWN CURE FOR CELIAC DISEASE, IT WOULD BE FRONT PAGE NEWS!!!

... AND THE PERSON WHO DISCOVERED THIS CURE WOULD WIN THE NOBEL PRIZE IN MEDICINE.

Anyone who tells you he can "cure your celiac disease" by selling you supplements or drugs or manipulating your spine....is LYING and stealing your money.

There is NO scientific or medical evidence to support these claims.
None, zip, nada.
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#7 Melissa Palomo

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 06:06 PM

Well, I'm curious. What would this Chiro do to cure someone?

Btw, no I don't think a cure is possible with what is currently known and available. If he really had a cure I think he'd be rather famous, don't you?


Well - his belief is that if you have Celiac disease, it will right itself after the rest of your body is in order. You take supplements (I forget the names of the two he suggested to me - that I would buy through him, of course!), get adjustments, and get your mind back in a healthy state blah blah blah and the rest of your body will fix itself. Don't get me wrong, I believe that chiropractic care can fix quite a bit (hence why I was going for my neck/wrist!)... I just didn't believe the rest. BUT because I had heard twice in a short time that people had been "fixed" and one from a trustworthy friend, my interest was piqued - not that I believe her son was truly cured of Celiac, but obviously they don't believe he's suffering from noticeable effects anymore and that had me curious as to what it is that makes these folks believe they're cured. Not that any of them have had a followup endoscopy, which I believe would be imperative to check for long term damage IMO.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 06:08 PM

Celiac is an autoimmune disease.
Like all other AI diseases, there is no known cure. There is a proven treatment that brings about remission of symptoms which is achieved through strict dietary compliance on a gluten free diet.

That's it.

There is no magic bullet. Chiropractic, reiki, special "gluten ease" enzymes, salt water cleanses, magic potions, supplements and homeopathy--THESE do NOT cure celiac disease. Sorry.

I keep saying this to people who suggest this is possible, but I will say it again:

IF THERE WERE A KNOWN CURE FOR CELIAC DISEASE, IT WOULD BE FRONT PAGE NEWS!!!

... AND THE PERSON WHO DISCOVERED THIS CURE WOULD WIN THE NOBEL PRIZE IN MEDICINE.

Anyone who tells you he can "cure your celiac disease" by selling you supplements or drugs or manipulating your spine....is LYING and stealing your money.

There is NO scientific or medical evidence to support these claims.
None, zip, nada.


I totally agree - I sit in your camp. BUT I figured I'd ask as perhaps maybe someone had scientific info (even info AGAINST) as it seems to be an idea that's growing in popularity. ;) I do think that this chiropractor firmly believes I can be cured with supplements & adjustments... which is primarily why I quit seeing him. And I do believe that my friend thinks her son is cured. I'll be interested to touch base with her in a few years and see how he is doing.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 06:12 PM

I would want to know if the people he cured we're dx'ed by blood work/endoscopy and if the remission was confirmed the same way and if he's monitoring them.

And by cured, do they mean they now eat a gluten filled diet?

It used to be thought that Celiac was a childhood disease that could be cured, or that they outgrew it after being on a gluten-free diet. Those same kids are showing up as adults with Celiac. Again.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 06:15 PM

I totally agree - I sit in your camp. BUT I figured I'd ask as perhaps maybe someone had scientific info (even info AGAINST) as it seems to be an idea that's growing in popularity. ;) I do think that this chiropractor firmly believes I can be cured with supplements & adjustments... which is primarily why I quit seeing him. And I do believe that my friend thinks her son is cured. I'll be interested to touch base with her in a few years and see how he is doing.


ALL the medical literature says what I told you, hon.

IF her son is a diagnosed celiac--

and he continues to consume gluten?--

there is no doubt he will be have villous atrophy, develop more AI diseases or lymphoma.

She is endangering the welfare of her child and slowly killing him.


From the Univ. of Maryland Center for Celiac Research:

"Untreated celiac disease can be life threatening. Celiacs are more likely to be afflicted with problems relating to malabsorption, including osteoporosis, tooth enamel defects, central and peripheral nervous system disease, pancreatic disease, internal hemorrhaging, organ disorders (gall bladder, liver, and spleen), and gynecological disorders. Untreated celiac disease has also been linked an increased risk of certain types of cancer, especially intestinal lymphoma.

There are no drugs to treat celiac disease and there is no cure. But celiacs can lead normal, healthy lives by following a gluten free diet. This means avoiding all products derived from wheat, rye, and barley.

You will not outgrow the disease since celiac disease is now considered to be an autoimmune disorder like diabetes and rheumatoid arthritis.

Celiac Disease is not a food allergy; rather it is an autoimmune disease. Food allergies, including wheat allergy, are conditions that people can grow out of. This is not the case with celiac disease.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 06:33 PM

If its a minor child, I would consider caling the Dept of Family Services or whatever it's called where you live. Depends on where you live, but some will prosecute for medical negligence. It is medical negligence in most states if the parent refuses to follow medical advice ( not a chiropractor). Not trying to slam chiros, but as CeeCee said, they are not able to cure things like this. Most of them are honest people.

I am a bit surprised you would even bring this up as you seemed so reasonable & knowledgable in previous posts. For your medical evidence, google Celiac Centers. There are several. Read thier info.
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#12 Melissa Palomo

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:55 PM

Karen I am trying not to read in to what you posted but I'll admit I'm almost a bit offended at the suggestion that this makes me seem unreasonable and stupid - perhaps my post came off as though I was believing that this was true? I thought I made that quite clear - that I sit in the camp that I believe it can't be cured. (Was the "mmmhmm" in my post title not taken as a "rolling of the eyes" style comment like it was intended?)

My curiosity is more on what it is that makes people believe they are cured - that is what i want to read on. And hard facts against it. As I mentioned - without an endoscopy I wouldn't believe it. I was wondering if anyone had any studies handy that proved exactly what my theories were - that perhaps people "feel" cured but an endoscopy showed otherwise.

I thought it to be an interesting topic to think about, I guess it's not interesting to discuss theories at all for some people - for me, it is. And my theory is that perhaps people feel better but are being harmed without realizing it since they're not "proving" that they are cured medically and instead are using anecdotal evidence of "feeling better" and translating that as cured. I was hoping to find information along those lines.

And I think if anyone would say that they wouldn't be happy for a cure one day - that's silly. I am always open to the fact that one day, Celiac *may* find a cure. Call me an optimist. I'm hopeful that one day my husband's type 1 diabetes will be cured, too. And cancer. I'd hope that my optimism that one day things may be different for people with health issues isn't taken as weakness or me being unreasonable. ETA - note I am a total realist and cynic. I don't think we'll ever see a cure, at least not in my lifetime. But it doesn't mean I don't have hope that it could happen still.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:58 PM

I would want to know if the people he cured we're dx'ed by blood work/endoscopy and if the remission was confirmed the same way and if he's monitoring them.

And by cured, do they mean they now eat a gluten filled diet?

It used to be thought that Celiac was a childhood disease that could be cured, or that they outgrew it after being on a gluten-free diet. Those same kids are showing up as adults with Celiac. Again.


That's precisely the type of information/studies I was looking for - the claims of those who have been "cured" because as far as I can see - there aren't any. Any obviously I wouldn't expect to see any medical studies showing someone having been officially cured - but I am curious as to the chiropractor claims of being cured - what does that mean to them? For my DR it meant that they felt better. And I told him that feeling better isn't a sign of being cured, it's just a sign of no symptoms.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 03:47 AM

From http://spectrum.diab...t/15/3/197.full


In some patients, ingestion of small amounts of gluten will not produce overt symptoms. Some patients experience a reduction in response to gluten during their teensthe so-called honeymoon period. Unfortunately, despite the lack of perceived symptoms, biopsies of the small intestine in these patients demonstrate ongoing mucosal injury associated with gluten ingestion. It is believed that this persistent recurrent injury to the intestine is the factor that predisposes these patients to lymphoma. Thus, absence of symptomatic response to gluten ingestion should not be construed as indicating that gluten intake is safe.


I was trying to find you a real study where the "no symptoms" still led to biopsies that showed damage. This was the closest I came in the short time I had this morning.

I did want to point out that especially in children/teens, there is a known "honey-moon" phase that they may go through . . . which is why they use to think children could outgrow it. I'm concerned that your friend's son may be in that catagory. There are many references to it . . . maybe someone can pull up an actual study that has real numbers.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 03:49 AM

My curiosity is more on what it is that makes people believe they are cured - that is what i want to read on. And hard facts against it. As I mentioned - without an endoscopy I wouldn't believe it. I was wondering if anyone had any studies handy that proved exactly what my theories were - that perhaps people "feel" cured but an endoscopy showed otherwise.

I thought it to be an interesting topic to think about, I guess it's not interesting to discuss theories at all for some people - for me, it is. And my theory is that perhaps people feel better but are being harmed without realizing it since they're not "proving" that they are cured medically and instead are using anecdotal evidence of "feeling better" and translating that as cured. I was hoping to find information along those lines.

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For proof of the cure, the chiros who say they are curing people should be asked to prove it. I agree, a cure would be great but if there was one, don't you think we would all hear about it? Its hard to give you studies that have never been done by reputable medical facilities. I'm sure you can get the " studies" these websites publish themselves. Keeping us "sick" doesn't make money for the medical community or the pharmaceuticals. They could make lots of money on a true cure.

We get a lot of people on here who are new & have no guidance except the Internet. Suggesting that there are Chiropracters or magic pills that would cure them, and asking about them, will get a lot of us emphatically posting against this.

Research a little to find out about how you can have damage & not feel it. It will eventually catch up with these " cured" people.

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