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The Great Gnocchi Debacle Of 2012


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#1 lpellegr

 
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 04:16 PM

I can usually hand-make anything I crave and it comes out okay, but I just had a specTACular failure! I am both disappointed and amused by how hard it failed. I combined ricotta, thawed and squeezed chopped spinach, an egg, parmesan cheese, and a bunch of Bette Hagman's original flour blend. That flour does a great job thickening things, so I figured it would hold the gnocchi together. No xanthan gum. I didn't want them to get too dense, so maybe I used less flour than I should, but they were a bit too sticky to roll out into the traditional rope for cutting into individual gnocchi, so I rolled spoonsful into balls and then flattened them with a fork, froze them on a tray, then bagged them for the freezer. Tonight I boiled water, dropped them in, and watched them mostly dissolve into white soup full of spinach bits. I managed to fish out a bowl full of enough blobs to make a dinner of, but something obviously went wrong. I recall making successful potato gnocchi (as long as I didn't cook them too long), so anybody have ideas for me? Should I have used xanthan gum? More or different flour? Cooked fresh and not attempted to freeze? These were gnot the gnocchi I gneeded.
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 05:27 PM

I can usually hand-make anything I crave and it comes out okay, but I just had a specTACular failure! I am both disappointed and amused by how hard it failed. I combined ricotta, thawed and squeezed chopped spinach, an egg, parmesan cheese, and a bunch of Bette Hagman's original flour blend. That flour does a great job thickening things, so I figured it would hold the gnocchi together. No xanthan gum. I didn't want them to get too dense, so maybe I used less flour than I should, but they were a bit too sticky to roll out into the traditional rope for cutting into individual gnocchi, so I rolled spoonsful into balls and then flattened them with a fork, froze them on a tray, then bagged them for the freezer. Tonight I boiled water, dropped them in, and watched them mostly dissolve into white soup full of spinach bits. I managed to fish out a bowl full of enough blobs to make a dinner of, but something obviously went wrong. I recall making successful potato gnocchi (as long as I didn't cook them too long), so anybody have ideas for me? Should I have used xanthan gum? More or different flour? Cooked fresh and not attempted to freeze? These were gnot the gnocchi I gneeded.

Interesting. How much flour did you put in, do you know? You had the ingredients right. I definitely would NOT use xanthan gum. I used to make gluten gnocchi all the time and did not use it then. I still do not use it for gluten-free gnocchi. What does Hagman's blend include? Freezing them is completely fine. Just curious about the blend and how much you used in relation to everything else.

Ricotta gnocchi is far more delicate and pillowy soft than potato gnocchi which is evident when you are making it.

You're right - gnot the gnocchi you gneaded!
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 06:23 PM

Here's a recipe I found for gnocchi - been meaning to try it. Don't know if it will help or not.

http://m.examiner.co...-gnocchi-recipe

I have a bookmark somewhere for a blogger who went round and round with it and finally came up with something. I specifically remember the "dissolving" part. If I find it I'll post it.
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 07:41 PM

The flour mix was white rice, tapioca, cornstarch, and potato starch (I forget the proportions at the moment), typical of the earliest blends before people started going for higher protein flours. I didn't measure - just kept adding and mixing, since I was using leftover ricotta and didn't measure it. I was aiming for slightly sticky, not completely dry, but I think I stopped too soon. I was adapting loosely from Lydia Bastianich's recipe for ricotta gnocchi.
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 08:14 PM

Here it is.

http://www.manifestv...n-free-gnocchi/
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 08:21 PM

And another:

http://cupcakekitteh...nocchi.html?m=1
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 05:19 AM

I would guess you need a tougher flour, maybe Amaranth or Sorghum .
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 04:58 PM

Thanks for the recipes - these have potato, but I was trying for ricotta gnocchi to use up my lasagna leftover. One is also pan-fried instead of boiled, so that would solve the falling-apart-in-boiling-water problem. I'll have to keep trying. I know I have had success with potato gnocchi, but maybe ricotta needs more magic.
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 05:03 PM

Thanks for the recipes - these have potato, but I was trying for ricotta gnocchi to use up my lasagna leftover. One is also pan-fried instead of boiled, so that would solve the falling-apart-in-boiling-water problem. I'll have to keep trying. I know I have had success with potato gnocchi, but maybe ricotta needs more magic.


I haven't found one using ricotta. Oddly enough, most of the bloggers attempting it are Vegan. I did notice they talked about adding more flour. Repeatedly.
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 05:06 PM

Thanks for the recipes - these have potato, but I was trying for ricotta gnocchi to use up my lasagna leftover. One is also pan-fried instead of boiled, so that would solve the falling-apart-in-boiling-water problem. I'll have to keep trying. I know I have had success with potato gnocchi, but maybe ricotta needs more magic.

I make my own ricotta for my ricotta gnocchi. I think you may need to add more flour to keep them together in the water. They are worth re-trying as they are so incredibly light and gorgeous! I don't really use a recipe otherwise I would post. Have you tried sweet potato or butternut squash gnocchi? Wonderful!
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Posted 30 March 2012 - 06:50 AM

Another question for you - did you squeeze the daylights out of the ricotta? It must be firm with absolutely no liquid. Even a little can make a difference. I strain mine overnight then squeeze using a cloth.
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Posted 30 March 2012 - 03:33 PM

OP, I love gnocchi but haven't tried boiling the ricotta gluten-free gnocchi (only the potato kind). If you want to use up leftover lasagne filling you can use this receipe, which i've posted before and love. Now I'm craving it and have to have it for dinner:

I am part Italian and I loved Italian pasta, ate it all the time. But even gluten-free pasta is not good for me and I've reduced my refined carbs. However, I can't give up my Italian food so I'm always on the look-out for fun dishes. This one has the benefit of not only being gluten-free and low grain AND it's also quicker than lasagne. One caveat is that it is not low fat and would be hard to convert to dairy-free but now that my CF/DF son has gone to college I get free rein.

The recipe calls for homemade pasta sauce but I used jarred.

It is a really pretty dish with the Italian Flag colors - red, green and white. Would be good for a dinner party or potluck. Enjoy!

Baked Spinach Dumplings
Malfatti gratinati (sometimes called gnocchi gnudi or ravioli gnudi, nude gnocchi and nude ravioli)
Adapted from Twelve: A Tuscan Cookbook and this blog http://newfinmysoup....-tradition.html

Serves 6-8 (about 30 dumplings)
1 quantity of Bchamel Sauce (recipe below)
2 cups Simple Tomato Sauce (about the quantity of the recipe below)
2 lb, 10 oz fresh spinach (1 lb, 2 oz cooked spinach) Note: If using frozen spinach, use 2 lb frozen Chopped Baby Spinach
1 lb, 2 oz fresh ricotta cheese
2 eggs, lightly beaten
1 cup freshly grated Parmesan cheese
Freshly grated nutmeg
Salt and pepper
Butter for greasing baking dish
cup gluten-free flour (I used a blend but rice or garbanzo would work)

Prepare the fresh tomato sauce, and set aside.

Cook the spinach according to the package directions, drain, and let cool. When it has cooled, squeeze out the water with your hands (this is important, as extra water will make it difficult for the dumplings to hold their shape).
In a medium bowl, combine the spinach, ricotta cheese, eggs, half the Parmesan cheese and a grating of nutmeg. Season with salt and pepper, and mix with a wooden spoon to make a soft mass. Set aside.

Preheat the oven to 350 degrees F.

While the oven is preheating, prepare the bchamel sauce.

Liberally butter a large baking dish (I used 9 x 12 dish). Spoon a little of the bchamel sauce onto the bottom of the dish to just cover it.

Put the flour on to a flat plate and pat your hands in the flour. Using a tablespoon and your hands, form dumplings the size of a small egg, slightly elongated (about 2 inches long by 1 inches wide). Dust them very lightly in the flour and put them onto the bchamel in neat rows. Cover with the remaining bchamel. Splash the surface with the tomato sauce and sprinkle with the remaining Parmesan cheese. Bake for 30 minutes, or until the top is lightly golden. Serve hot.
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Besciamella
Bchamel Sauce
Makes 4 cups
7 tablespoons unsalted butter
cup gluten-free flour (I used a blend but rice or garbanzo would work)
2 tablespoons corn starch
4 cups whole milk
Salt and pepper
Freshly grated nutmeg

Add cornstarch to milk and mix. Heat the milk in a saucepan or microwave. In a separate medium saucepan, melt the butter, and then add the flour. Stir with a wooden spoon and cook for a minute or two until it is lightly golden. Add a ladleful of the warm milk and stir well so it does not form lumps. Continue adding the milk in ladlefuls and stirring constantly until all the milk has been incorporated. Season with salt and pepper, and a generous grating of nutmeg. Continue cooking and stirring on low heat for another 10 minutes to thicken. It should be very smooth. Remove from the heat. Just before using, give it a good whisking.
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Simple Tomato Sauce
Pomarola Semplice
Makes about 4 cups
4 garlic cloves, peeled and lightly crushed with the flat of a large knife
6 tablespoons olive oil
3 lb ripe, fresh tomatoes, skinned and chopped (or two, 28-ounce cans of San Marzano whole, peeled tomatoes with juice)
Salt and pepper
12 fresh basil leaves, roughly torn

If using canned tomatoes, dump tomatoes and juice into a bowl and break up the tomatoes with your hands. Put the garlic and olive oil into a saucepan over medium heat. When the garlic begins to sizzle, add the tomatoes. Season with salt and pepper. Cook, stirring occasionally, about 20-25 minutes, until the tomatoes have melted into a thick, smooth sauce (if using canned tomatoes, the cooking time is slightly less, about 15 minutes from when the tomatoes begin to boil). Add the basil and turn off the heat.
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#13 lpellegr

 
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Posted 31 March 2012 - 02:06 AM

Thanks, all. That recipe for baked spinach dumplings sounds like what I made, but not boiled, so maybe that's the key. I made regular flour ricotta gnocchi back in my wheat-eating days without draining, so I thought that would work, but maybe not with gluten-free flour. At any rate, I think with all these suggestions I will have a good way to use up my leftover ricotta before it turns brown and yicky from neglect (and believe me, this is really gross).
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Posted 31 March 2012 - 01:09 PM

I can't remember if I've posted this here before...yummy. No modifications needed to make it gluten-free - it's naturally gluten-free.

Eggplant Parmesan Rolls with Swiss Chard and Fresh Mint from Bon Appetit Mag

I've made it with spinach instead of chard and basil or oregano instead of mint.

Read More http://www.epicuriou...4#ixzz1qjNH3Dfg

The Original: Breaded, fried eggplant with a thick oregano-flavored tomato sauce. Our Version: Broiled slices of eggplant wrapped around a mint-and chard-flecked ricotta filling


2 medium eggplants (about 2 1/4 pounds total), trimmed, cut lengthwise into 1/4-inch-thick slices
Coarse kosher salt
Extra-virgin olive oil
1 1-pound bunch Swiss chard, center ribs removed
2 large eggs
1 15-ounce container whole-milk ricotta cheese
1 1/4 cups finely grated Parmesan cheese, divided
2 tablespoons chopped fresh mint
3/4 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper
1 15- to 16-ounce can tomato sauce
1 8-ounce ball fresh water-packed mozzarella,* drained, thinly sliced

Cover bottom and sides of each of 2 large colanders with 1 layer of eggplant slices; sprinkle generously with coarse salt. Continue layering eggplant slices in each colander, sprinkling each layer with coarse salt, until all eggplant slices are used. Place each colander over large bowl; let stand at least 30 minutes and up to 1 hour. Rinse eggplant slices to remove excess salt; dry thoroughly with paper towels.

Position oven rack 5 to 6 inches from heat source and preheat broiler. Line 3 large rimmed baking sheets with parchment paper. Arrange eggplant slices in single layer on prepared baking sheets. Brush both sides of eggplant slices with olive oil. Broil 1 sheet at a time until eggplant slices are tender and beginning to brown, watching closely and removing eggplant slices as needed if cooking too quickly, 3 to 4 minutes per side. Remove baking sheet from oven and cool eggplant while preparing filling.

Bring large pot of salted water to boil. Add chard to pot and boil just until tender, about 2 minutes. Drain; rinse with cold water. Squeeze chard very dry, then chop coarsely. Squeeze chard dry again between paper towels. Whisk eggs and pinch of coarse salt in medium bowl. Stir in chopped chard, ricotta cheese, 1 cup Parmesan, mint, and black pepper.

Lightly oil 15 x 10 x 2-inch glass baking dish. Spread half of tomato sauce evenly over bottom of dish. Divide chard-ricotta filling among eggplant slices, placing about 1 heaping tablespoon filling in center of each. Starting at 1 short end of each, loosely roll up eggplant slices, enclosing filling. Arrange rolls, seam side down, atop sauce in baking dish. Spoon remaining tomato sauce over. Place mozzarella slices in single layer over rolls. Sprinkle with remaining 1/4 cup Parmesan cheese. DO AHEAD: Can be made 1 day ahead. Cover with foil and chill.

Preheat oven to 350F. Bake eggplant Parmesan rolls, covered with foil, until heated through, about 30 minutes if freshly made or 40 minutes if refrigerated. Uncover and bake until brown in spots and sauce is bubbling, 15 to 20 minutes. Serve hot.

* Available at many supermarkets and at specialty foods stores and Italian markets. Regular mozzarella can be substituted.
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Diagnosed by biopsy 2/12/07. Negative blood tests. Gluten-free (except for accidents) since 2/15/07. DQ2.5 (HLA DQA1*05:DQB1*0201)

Son, age 18, previously delayed growth 3rd percentile weight, 25th percentile height (5'3" at age 15). Negative blood work. Endoscopy declined. Enterolab positive 3/12/08. Gene results: HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 1 0201 HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 2 0503 Serologic equivalent: HLA-DQ 2,1(Subtype 2,5) Went gluten-free, casein-free 3/15/08. Now 6'2" (Over six feet!) and doing great.

"Great difficulties may be surmounted by patience and perseverance." Abigail Adams (1744-1818) 2nd First Lady of the United States

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 10:43 AM

That would be a great recipe if I actually liked eating chard and eggplant. I can force myself, but eggplant is most edible when heavily breaded, thoroughly fried (while absorbing absurd amounts of olive oil), and drowned in mozzarella and red sauce! But thanks anyway.
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