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Does A Gluten Free Diet Actually Cure Celiacs Disease?


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#1 Richterface

 
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 01:30 PM

Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Jerick and I was diagnosed with celiacs disease when I was 16yrs old ( I am currently 22 - Also I haven't seen a digestive dr, or gastrologist in 5 years for follow up for my celiac condition. However I have decided to take control of my health and have scheduled an appointment at a local digestive disease dr in the area).

I haven't been dedicated to my diet and therefore my health has taken a poor turn. I've gained and lost a great deal of weight, I suffer from depression and constipation. In the past I have followed my dietary restrictions by not eating wheat but I haven't been as careful with cross-contamination and hidden gluten ingredients.

I have decided to research my disease and see what steps are necessary for hopefully curing my intestine and living a long life. However since I've taken the time to study up on my condition I have been met with nothing but uncertainty and fear. My question today has to do with an article from chicago medical center for celiacs disease found here. I am particularly upset by the following statement; " While healing may take up to 2 years for many older adults, new research shows that the small intestines of up to 60% of adults never completely heal, especially when adherence to the diet is less than optimal."

From what I understand and have read from various sources celiac's can heal by adhering to a gluten free lifestyle. However studies still show that 60% of people never completely heal therefore the leaky gut condition, and inflammation is still prevalent leading to early death and other autoimmune disorders. So does this mean that the gluten free diet isn't working? Is there anything else that could be done to cure my condition?

The Select Carbohydrate diet states that our bodies are unable to due to the ingredients found in "gluten free foods" based on Corn, Rice, and Tapioca. The listed ingredients are harder for the body to break down therefore causing bacteria to grow which causes the intestines to inflame, leading to negative consequences in Celiacs.

I am writing to everyone today in hopes there is anyone or group of individuals that could help clarify and lend some advice as to how I should approach a gluten free diet. I feel so pulled and frustrated I would just like some peace of mind.

I am willing to adhere to the SCD lifestyle diet however I do not have the funds to purchase all the food processors and blenders necessary.

Thank you for your time!
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 01:44 PM

First - you hardly qualify as an "older adult". :D
Second - It does say when adherence to the diet is not followed

Go to the GI. Maybe get another endoscopy to see where you are. Follow a strict gluten-free diet. That is the only "cure". You could get a repeat endoscopy in 2 years and see if you healed.

The other thing is that you really aren't cured. You will still have Celiac, even if your intestines have healed. You cannot go back to eating gluten after healed. You will just get a damaged intestine again.
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 02:08 PM

I agree with Karen regarding seeing a GI doctor right away and getting serious about your gluten-free diet.

You should understand that Celiac, which is an autoimmune disease, means there is no "cure" (you will always have celiac disease), but there is a treatment (the strict gluten-free diet) which will put the symptoms into remission.

You feel lousy because you are not following the diet, hon --and risking serious complications.

You do not necessarily need to follow the SCD diet to adhere to a safe gluten-free diet.

Just follow a gluten-free diet, which includes NO RYE, BARLEY or any wheat derivatives. Oats MUST BE certified gluten-free. I notice you said you just avoid wheat.

You need some guidance from a GI doctor, some follow up blood work and a better understanding of what a true gluten-free diet is.

You are in the right place!

I suggest you learn about cross contamination and hidden sources of gluten so you can see what steps you need to take.

All this information is in this thread:

http://www.celiac.co...ewbie-info-101/

I hope this will help you get started. Best wishes!
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 05:09 PM

Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Jerick and I was diagnosed with celiacs disease when I was 16yrs old ( I am currently 22 - Also I haven't seen a digestive dr, or gastrologist in 5 years for follow up for my celiac condition. However I have decided to take control of my health and have scheduled an appointment at a local digestive disease dr in the area).

I haven't been dedicated to my diet and therefore my health has taken a poor turn. I've gained and lost a great deal of weight, I suffer from depression and constipation. In the past I have followed my dietary restrictions by not eating wheat but I haven't been as careful with cross-contamination and hidden gluten ingredients.

I have decided to research my disease and see what steps are necessary for hopefully curing my intestine and living a long life. However since I've taken the time to study up on my condition I have been met with nothing but uncertainty and fear. My question today has to do with an article from chicago medical center for celiacs disease found here. I am particularly upset by the following statement; " While healing may take up to 2 years for many older adults, new research shows that the small intestines of up to 60% of adults never completely heal, especially when adherence to the diet is less than optimal."

From what I understand and have read from various sources celiac's can heal by adhering to a gluten free lifestyle. However studies still show that 60% of people never completely heal therefore the leaky gut condition, and inflammation is still prevalent leading to early death and other autoimmune disorders. So does this mean that the gluten free diet isn't working? Is there anything else that could be done to cure my condition?

The Select Carbohydrate diet states that our bodies are unable to due to the ingredients found in "gluten free foods" based on Corn, Rice, and Tapioca. The listed ingredients are harder for the body to break down therefore causing bacteria to grow which causes the intestines to inflame, leading to negative consequences in Celiacs.

I am writing to everyone today in hopes there is anyone or group of individuals that could help clarify and lend some advice as to how I should approach a gluten free diet. I feel so pulled and frustrated I would just like some peace of mind.

I am willing to adhere to the SCD lifestyle diet however I do not have the funds to purchase all the food processors and blenders necessary.

Thank you for your time!


In my opinion, there are too many factors for one to say "just eat a 100% gluten free diet and you will be fine". New studies have shown that corn gluten is absolutely unsafe for gluten sensitive people. Two years ago, i went "gluten-free". Fast forward to the present, i still have many food intolerances, most likely linked to having a leaky gut. And along with my leaky gut, i have an overgrowth of candida. I've been where you are at, looking to this forum for a simple answer. But here lately i've realized there is no simple answer because everyone's situation is different. I've noticed a lot of people with celiac disease will not accept that the studies on this disease are still evolving, and they continue to eat nothing but processed "gluten-free" foods on a daily basis. Ignorance is bliss, and i especially can vouch for that. I lived it.
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 05:43 PM

The corn question is far from absolute. I have been diagnosed for 12 years, and have been eating corn for all that time. I have been retested via biopsy, and found to have normal, undamaged villi. If corn is the same as other gluten, how did I possibly heal? Why am I still very healthy, and symptom-free, after 12 years of eating gluten-free, but consuming corn and rice?

Some people with celiac disease are also intolerant to corn (and other foods), but I seem to prove that this is not universal.
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#6 IrishHeart

 
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 05:45 PM

First of all, neither Karen nor I suggested "nothing but processed gluten free foods on a daily basis".

In fact, I often suggest a whole foods diet to people, until they learn what they can and cannot tolerate.

Your leaky gut, candida overgrowth and other food intolerances are not necessarily what the OP is dealing with.

And not every celiac has issues with corn.

Corn gluten is not harmful to celiacs ---as far as we know.

You are correct in that we do not know all there is to know about this disease process and recovery, but the majority of celiacs do just fine still consuming grains.

This young man has not even followed a true gluten free diet yet, so he has not even begun to heal.

A visit to the GI doctor will reveal what is happening in his gut. He can have a test for SIBO (small intestine bacterial overgrowth) after he finds out if his gut if even healing.

Let's not get him worried about candida or other food intolerances until he knows where he stands.

He's already pretty worried right now.
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 06:24 PM

First of all, neither Karen nor I suggested "nothing but processed gluten free foods on a daily basis".


I did not mention Karen or you at all.
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 06:29 PM

The corn question is far from absolute. I have been diagnosed for 12 years, and have been eating corn for all that time. I have been retested via biopsy, and found to have normal, undamaged villi. If corn is the same as other gluten, how did I possibly heal? Why am I still very healthy, and symptom-free, after 12 years of eating gluten-free, but consuming corn and rice?

Some people with celiac disease are also intolerant to corn (and other foods), but I seem to prove that this is not universal.


I stand corrected. Thank you.
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 06:40 PM

Thank you all for your input and advise. I will wait for further diagnosis. I've decided to go ahead and just stick to a gluten free/SCD. I just hope I haven't caused too much damage. I am pretty ashamed of my lack of knowledge and general care for my health. I have begun to taking L-glutamine for villi health, probiotics as an anti-inflammatory, and a daily vitamin supplement to cover the rest of my bases
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 08:43 PM

Welcome!

No need to be so hard on yourself - you have acknowledged the need to learn about Celiac Disease and are now dedicated to living gluten-free. While this disease can make anyone feel much older than they are, you are still a very young adult. To me, it sounds like you are set to succeed, heal and start feeling young again.

Happy healing to you :)
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My children and I all have multiple copies of the genes for Celiac Disease, along with large variety of symptoms/resolution gluten-free

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Get PROPERLY tested BEFORE REMOVING GLUTEN.

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 05:11 AM

I did not mention Karen or you at all.


Nope, you didn't--you were very general, but since we both had just said "follow a strict gluten free diet" because he admitted he hadn't been--I just wanted it to be clear.

It's all good. :)
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"The strongest of all warriors are these two - time and patience." Leo Tolstoy

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 05:14 AM

Thank you all for your input and advise. I will wait for further diagnosis. I've decided to go ahead and just stick to a gluten free/SCD. I just hope I haven't caused too much damage. I am pretty ashamed of my lack of knowledge and general care for my health. I have begun to taking L-glutamine for villi health, probiotics as an anti-inflammatory, and a daily vitamin supplement to cover the rest of my bases


You're doing all you can, hon! Get yourself a celiac-savvy GI to help you with proper care. Sounds like you're on the right path.

Best wishes, welcome to the forum and I hope you start to feel better soon!
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"Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It's the way it is. The way we cope with it makes the difference." Virginia Satir

"The strongest of all warriors are these two - time and patience." Leo Tolstoy

"If you want to lift yourself up, lift up someone else" Booker T. Washington

“If idiots could fly, the sky would be like an airport.”― Laura Davenport 

"Do or do not. There is no try. "-  Yoda.

"LTES"  Gem 2014

 

Misdiagnosed for 25+ years; Finally Diagnosed with Celiac  11/01/10.  Double DQ2 genes. This thing tried to kill me. I view Celiac as a fire breathing dragon --and I have run my sword right through his throat.
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Posted 02 September 2012 - 05:16 AM

While this disease can make anyone feel much older than they are,



true, true.
oh man, sometimes I have felt 103..... and other days, my perky self of 22 (in my head anyway....) :lol:
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"Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It's the way it is. The way we cope with it makes the difference." Virginia Satir

"The strongest of all warriors are these two - time and patience." Leo Tolstoy

"If you want to lift yourself up, lift up someone else" Booker T. Washington

“If idiots could fly, the sky would be like an airport.”― Laura Davenport 

"Do or do not. There is no try. "-  Yoda.

"LTES"  Gem 2014

 

Misdiagnosed for 25+ years; Finally Diagnosed with Celiac  11/01/10.  Double DQ2 genes. This thing tried to kill me. I view Celiac as a fire breathing dragon --and I have run my sword right through his throat.
I. Win. bliss-smiley-emoticon.gif


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Posted 02 September 2012 - 06:31 AM

@Richterface,

Well neat, I have a neighbor named Richter. He is in the Coat Guard though and older.

It's good you are taking the gluten-free diet and celiac disease seriously now. The damage builds up over time and can suddenly become much worse also. Sometimes people develop other autoimmune disease if they go untreated. But you can avoid all that by sticking to the gluten-free diet. Can you cook your own food? That is a big help in avoiding gluten. Eating out in restraunts is risky. Cooking your own whole foods is a big help in avoiding gluten. It doesn't have to be fancy food, simple whole foods are safer and are good tasting too. I added a bunch of links below that may help you get started.

@BridgeofSighs,

HI,

Corn is definitely a problem for some of us. The whole leaky gut thing does tend to cause various food intolerances in people. There is quite a range of food intolerances among the forum posters. Nightshades, corn, eggs, sals, soy, oats, grapes, carrots and some others too. Basically we can become intolerant to any food. corn doesn't bother me except for corn on the cob, but ground or flour is fine. BuI I have plenty of other intolerances to make up for corn. :) I hope you are feeling better and doing well with your diet. This is all a learning process for us.

Some starting the gluten-free diet tips for the first 6 months:

Get tested before starting the gluten-free diet.
Don't eat in restaurants
Eat only whole foods not processed foods.
Eat only food you cook yourself, think simple foods, not gourmet meals.
Take probiotics.
Take digestive enzymes.
Avoid dairy.
Avoid sugars and starchy foods.
Avoid alcohol.


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Posted 02 September 2012 - 07:02 AM

Hey! Let's not overwhelm the poor guy (?) with all the foods that he could, maybe, find a problem with. Let's get him started being gluten-free for a few months,first! Then, if he is still having problems, go for it! :)

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