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Long Shot - Urinary Tract Issues And Celiac
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I am wondering if anyone has ever experienced urinary tract issues and Celiac. I have never been diagnosed with Celiac. But my mother and 2 of my children have. My mother has also been a type 1 diabetic for 58 yr. Also suspect that dd may have Raynauds Syndrome. So obviously family history of autoimmune issues.

I have no classic Celiac symptoms, other than frequent gas.

But what I do have is unexplained urinary issues. I have had microscopic blood in my urine for several years now. Also the last couple of cytology test have had "atypical cells". I have been assured its not cancer. I have had my kidneys and bladder scoped and scanned. Nothing has been found to cause this. I have to go for another bladder scope in a few weeks. I have been told that the atypical cells can be caused by infection or inflammation. I am just curious if this could be caused by Celiacs. I hate not having and answer. I realize the 2 being related are quite a long shot. But with the family history I figured it was worth asking the question. Thanks!!

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I had terrible bladder pain, spasms, frequency and was tested frequently for UTIs for several years before DX. One time, it was an infection but otherwise, the urogynecologist I saw was stumped.

It was awful and to this day, if I am glutened, I get the pain and urgency back. ugh.

Like you, my friend E and my Mom do not have terrible gastro symptoms from gluten, but suffer bladder pain and have to make several trips to the bathroom. Even then, not much came out. My friend has had blood in her urine as well.

So, IMHO yes, urinary tract issues are related to gluten.

You are obviously very knowledgable about celiac disease since you are raising two kids with it, so I will spare you the genetics lesson :lol: , but I am wondering... you have been tested right?

others have reported this issue, too:

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Indeed there is a relationship. Read here:

http://wellbladder.com/bladder_symptoms__gluten_sensitivity

I come from a family of celiacs and UTI sufferers. My mother, both sisters, me. It is no coincidence. In fact, mine has progressed to the point where it is methycillin resistant and therefore always present, just waiting for a chance to become a nuisance.

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I had terrible bladder pain, spasms, frequency and was tested frequently for UTIs for several years before DX. One time, it was an infection but otherwise, the urogynecologist I saw was stumped.

It was awful and to this day, if I am glutened, I get the pain and urgency back. ugh.

Like you, my friend E and my Mom do not have terrible gastro symptoms from gluten, but suffer bladder pain and have to make several trips to the bathroom. Even then, not much came out. My friend has had blood in her urine as well.

So, IMHO yes, urinary tract issues are related to gluten.

You are obviously very knowledgable about celiac disease since you are raising two kids with it, so I will spare you the genetics lesson :lol: , but I am wondering... you have been tested right?

others have reported this issue, too:

Nope, I have never been tested! I have asked, but been told without gastro symptoms, forget it! I don't have diarrhea, I'm not thin, I'm as far from thin as you can get! LOL So of course I don't have it, despite family history. I should try and find a new GP, but in this area, they all seem to be the same. Not the most progressive, forward thinking part of the country! LOL

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Nope, I have never been tested! I have asked, but been told without gastro symptoms, forget it! I don't have diarrhea, I'm not thin, I'm as far from thin as you can get! LOL So of course I don't have it, despite family history. I should try and find a new GP, but in this area, they all seem to be the same. Not the most progressive, forward thinking part of the country! LOL

This is hogwash...that's the same thinking that kept me from being Dxed. (I was once overweight) and if you have a MOTHER and CHILDREN with celiac disease, you should have been screened right away!

I was "far from thin" as you say-- and then plummeted 90 lbs. and almost died.

I agree with Shroom---print off the info ---and I suggest you demand a celiac panel right away.

Many celiacs do not have overt gastro symptoms ---but other symptoms that are clues.

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I have traced blood in urine for 30+ years. I also had issues with urgency and frequent urination. Almost 6 months ago I went gluten free. I have not been checked yet to see if it has gone away. To be continued. There are other strings on this subject.

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Have any of you with bladder issues been tested for interstitial cystitis? I was diagnosed with it after multiple tests when I was 17 years old (apparently this is quite young for an IC diagnosis). My symptoms were urgency, pain, inability to fully empty bladder, among others. I have been on medication since then and it controls these symptoms except for occasional flares. I am not diagnosed with celiac (yet, I hope) so I don't know if there is a connection at all.

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Urgency and feeling like i'm going to wet myself were to things pre dx that disturbed the heck out of me. It was never a UTI either.

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Have any of you with bladder issues been tested for interstitial cystitis? I was diagnosed with it after multiple tests when I was 17 years old (apparently this is quite young for an IC diagnosis). My symptoms were urgency, pain, inability to fully empty bladder, among others. I have been on medication since then and it controls these symptoms except for occasional flares. I am not diagnosed with celiac (yet, I hope) so I don't know if there is a connection at all.

I was misdiagnosed with Interstitial Cystitis as well. It's what started this whole mess...thought I had a UTI - was put on two rounds of strong antibiotics which of course only made everything worse (Dr. said "I don't see evidence of an infection, but here take these...really???). After that was when I got the diagnosis. Read up about it and certain things never seemed to fit with how I was feeling. Refused the medication that is normally prescribed because of the harsh side effects. Took full strength Aloe which did wonders (found the recommendation on the IC website). Long story short, bc of many other symptoms, I finally hit on celiac and gluten-free. Bc of my trust issues with doctors, I decided to try gluten-free on my own. My bladder symptoms resolved along with a few others. After that, tried to get formal diagnosis, but had been gluten-free for too long. Tried the gluten challenge, but could only handle two weeks before I was so miserable that it wasn't worth it. Only time I have bladder issues now is if I get glutened or if I have too much sugar/carbs which sends my candida out of control (ate two gluten-free cupcakes last night...today I'm miserable). I do realize that IC is a real thing that many actually DO have. I'm just also saying that since there is no definitive test for it, sometimes they will give you that diagnosis when they can't figure out why you have pain with no infection.

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My daughter was diagnosed Celiac at 17 months old. She has had all IC symptoms and numerous UTIs. The doctors are just stumped and they have tried different tests. They now say it is caused by her constant constipation. (The back up in the colon causes sensation of pressure, and the bladder is not fully emptied. The symptoms present when there is not an "infection", or lead to an infection.

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Not a long shot at all. my interstitial cystitis is mostly in remission on a Gluten-free Casein-free diet. My 9 yr old son also had major bladder spasms and pain with no dx- once he was dx celiac and went gluten-free, urinary issues resolved. My celiac daughter had spasms and bedwetting until going Gluten-free Casein-free as well.

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Thanks for the reply's.

I am going to go for the scope tomorrow. I had it 2 years ago and it was fine.

I forgot to mention that before taking my son off gluten, he was running to the bathroom to pee constantly.

I just have such vague issues, microscopic blood and the atypical cells. But no discomfort or burning, unless I drink to much coffee. Or maybe I just haven't gotten to that point yet??

I will see what they say tomorrow. But in the meantime, I have taken myself off gluten. I figure it can't hurt, and it just might help.

Thanks!

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Thanks for the reply's.

I am going to go for the scope tomorrow. I had it 2 years ago and it was fine.

I forgot to mention that before taking my son off gluten, he was running to the bathroom to pee constantly.

I just have such vague issues, microscopic blood and the atypical cells. But no discomfort or burning, unless I drink to much coffee. Or maybe I just haven't gotten to that point yet??

I will see what they say tomorrow. But in the meantime, I have taken myself off gluten. I figure it can't hurt, and it just might help.

Thanks!

IMHO, if you are looking to be tested, you should stay on gluten until the testing is done.

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Yes. If you want celiac testing, you MUST continue eating gluten thru the time of endoscopy or you run a high risk of false negative.

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I'm sorry, but this information is not correct. There are definitive tests to diagnose interstitial cystitis. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/interstitial-cystitis/DS00497/DSECTION=tests-and-diagnosis I had a cystoscopy and a biopsy among other tests. These tests will show damage to the bladder wall if there is interstitial cystitis. If you did not have these tests then there is no way you could be officially diagnosed with IC. If you were diagnosed with IC with no medical tests then some dr was not practicing correctly. I'm not doubting your story but I don't want anyone to believe the interstitial cystitis is simply a diagnosis of exclusion because it isn't.

I was misdiagnosed with Interstitial Cystitis as well. It's what started this whole mess...thought I had a UTI - was put on two rounds of strong antibiotics which of course only made everything worse (Dr. said "I don't see evidence of an infection, but here take these...really???). After that was when I got the diagnosis. Read up about it and certain things never seemed to fit with how I was feeling. Refused the medication that is normally prescribed because of the harsh side effects. Took full strength Aloe which did wonders (found the recommendation on the IC website). Long story short, bc of many other symptoms, I finally hit on celiac and gluten-free. Bc of my trust issues with doctors, I decided to try gluten-free on my own. My bladder symptoms resolved along with a few others. After that, tried to get formal diagnosis, but had been gluten-free for too long. Tried the gluten challenge, but could only handle two weeks before I was so miserable that it wasn't worth it. Only time I have bladder issues now is if I get glutened or if I have too much sugar/carbs which sends my candida out of control (ate two gluten-free cupcakes last night...today I'm miserable). I do realize that IC is a real thing that many actually DO have. I'm just also saying that since there is no definitive test for it, sometimes they will give you that diagnosis when they can't figure out why you have pain with no infection.

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I'm sorry, but this information is not correct. There are definitive tests to diagnose interstitial cystitis. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/interstitial-cystitis/DS00497/DSECTION=tests-and-diagnosis I had a cystoscopy and a biopsy among other tests. These tests will show damage to the bladder wall if there is interstitial cystitis. If you did not have these tests then there is no way you could be officially diagnosed with IC. If you were diagnosed with IC with no medical tests then some dr was not practicing correctly. I'm not doubting your story but I don't want anyone to believe the interstitial cystitis is simply a diagnosis of exclusion because it isn't.

Thank you for that - I wasn't aware. My "diagnosis" came from the NP at my GYN office - she was a self-proclaimed IC "expert" and never preformed any of those tests. Just gave me the Rx and the website and sent me on my way...reading all of the information on the website was what convinced me that she was wrong. I have such sympathy for anyone that truly has the condition - I know how awful I felt at the time and how blessed I feel that I was able to get to the bottom of what was causing such horrible symptoms. Because of all of this, I'm a HUGE fan of second opinions and doing some independent research before taking any prescription medication that was given without testing (most especially antibiotics - I won't take another unless it will actually save my life). Thanks again for the information - one of the many reasons I come here all the time - bunch of smarties :)

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