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1desperateladysaved Proficient

Unless you are a vegetarian. Eat meat for every meal. I just discovered my body is absorbing meat, but practically nothing else. Surprise, the best food for me is meat?! I always thought that grains should be at the base of my diet plan.

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I'm not really familiar with how insulin resistance effects you, but my husband is a type 1 diabetic. I realize that this is far different than people who can manage with diet, even a little, or with pretty much any other type of similar issues, but it does make me very aware of what he eats. For a time he was gluten free (and it looks like he will be again) and the biggest problem he seemed to have was processed gluten free foods. They are pretty much boxes of refined carbs that would spike his sugar out of control high so fast he couldn't control it and then he would crash like someone just turned off his engines. Instead of the refined carbs of "saltines" or "ritz" style crackers, we get crackers made of seeds and whole grains like quinoa. Yes, they're totally different, but when I stopped expecting them to be what they aren't (gluten cracker substitutes) and accepted them for what they are, I began to enjoy them greatly.

I'm not sure if you see an endocrinologist at this point, but my husband's doctor has a nutritionist on staff. At any time a patient can request to see her along with a regular visit without any additional charges. If that is something you have available you may want to take advantage. The one thing the nutritionist told my husband was to always always have protein. Instead of an apple which could spike him, adding peanut butter can help smooth out that spike. She admits that everyone is effected differently but this seems to work for him at least to some extent.

After 11 months, I feel better than a year ago but I certainly far from symptom free. Every person is different, will react differently, heal differently, and eliminate different things. Many eliminate milk, and it is sound advice. But if you don't feel like you want or need to, and it doesn't make you sick, don't go giving up things you aren't ready to give up. Very obviously, gluten makes you sick. Beyond that, give up only what you are ready to and when you are ready to. (And if it makes you sick, you need to be ready!)

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1desperateladysaved Proficient

I am thinking if I ever get my energy back again to go out and give people in this tough spot a hand. To think there was once a thought in my mind that house keeping was an uneeded job! i have sure been shown. Thank God my children are willing to help.

Diana

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HI,

You could look at Paleo/primal diets and see if they work for you. Eating grain free and low carb is not a bad way to go. Lots of meat (protein) in your diet is good as protein reduces the total glycemic index of your meal. Vinegar in a meal is also supposed to slow the conversion to sugar in your meals. So some mustard or rice wine vinager might be helpful in your meals. Alpha-lipoic acid may help too. Smaller meals are probably a good idea, vs big meals.

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sisterlynr Explorer

Yes...I have read so much about Celiac disease. I know it included fatigue, but not aware of the AMOUNT of sleep that would fall into this.

Our lifestyle is a bit strange and I know I have to find a way to change it NOW. Because I am exhausted all of the time and my husband works 40 hours a week and tries to make up at home what I can't do, we do quick stuff..be it very simple shake and bake meals, etc.....I don't even know if I could hack following a recipe at this point in time. We are very strapped for cash being a one-income household. My husband's income dropped when the economy started going into the can...he lost many incentives and bonus opportunities.

I was in Whole Foods Thursday (it is an hour away from us...we don't have one where I am) and I was in awe at all fo the options, HOWEVER, there is no way I could spend $5 for a loaf of bread....or 2.50 for a can of soup......$4 for a microwave meal...etc.

The other option for shopping where I am in Meijer. And Meijer as many things, but they are just as expensive.

I puchased these crackers once made by Diamond thinking they have to be good...it's a company that's known! WRONG. They were hard and horrible and they weren't cheap. SO....that is another thing I face: how do I know what is good and what isn't? Very hard to drop the extra money on the unknown:(

My family isn't gluten free. There are no separate toasters.....dishes.....and I will be straight out and honest: I cannot buy new pots and pans and dishes. A $10 toaster I could probably swing...but not pots and pans.

But, perhaps the biggest obstacle is getting the energy to going to the grocery store PERIOD. Even when I do get up, I have no energy to go to do the store. I rarely leave the house unless it is to take the kids to school or pick them up. I don't even do any of my crafts, anymore. I don't see my friends....and it's depressing me.

I'm not looking to make excuses because,

As I said, I've been gluten free for 2 days now..mainly doing "gluten-free" ordering out from restaurants. So far, I've had no major symptoms like I've had (Gut burning, diarrhea, etc). I am just trying to figure out HOW to do this based on the circumstances given. How do I do this when I am sleeping so much and in pain...at least until I can overcome many of these symptoms?

I am downright scared. I truly am. I miss my kids and they are starting to prefer their dad over me (I've noticed the excessive tiredness for over a year and it's gotten worse since September).

I really do appreciate the input. Without it, I'd be lost!

I see you are insulin resistant and assume you are diabetic. Diabetes alone can cause the fatigue that you are feeling. Are you blood sugars regulated by insulin? I have checked with each of my pharmaceutical companies to be sure that my medication is gluten-free.

I completely understand being in a financial hardship. I am on SS Disability due to cancer but I find buying fresh frozen vegetables, fresh chicken other meats is much cheaper than eating out. I know Miejers has great sales and you can always purchase their special brand of foods.

In my case, I was not aware until just a month ago that I was Celiac. I have had cancer (in remission), diagnosed with PCOS, insulin resistant, Type II Diabetes, Osteoarthritis, low iron, low hemoglobin, come to find out, ALL of these can be caused by Celiac.

Please listen to the above comments by the folks on this forum! I too was sleeping almost round the clock and in just a matter of weeks I have improved immensely! I still have some days that I sleep too much but very infrequent. Prayers and ((hugs))

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I just want to share with you what my husband and I have gone through the last few weeks as well. My husband, God bless him, can be the most stubborn, negative, pessimistic person ever, and so resistant to change! If HE can do this, I have faith that ANYBODY can.

My husband also went in for a colonsocopy/endoscopy, him being 260lbs at 6', who would've even guessed gluten could possibly be at the root of his problems? We got a call saying that his biopsy was suspect for gluten sensitive enteropathy and went and had bloodwork done. We got the bloodwork done at the hospital where I work and decided to grab some breakfast when we were done (I get a discount on the food).

So he wonders around the cafeteria and throws his hands up "I can't eat anything!". Well he is a cereal, biscuits and gravy, waffle, pancake, toast, lets just say he loves his carbs in the morning. But he also loves meat. So I loaded up a plate with scrambled eggs, topped with cheese, bacon, and a fresh fruit cup. As I sat down to eat, he sat down with his water grumbling "I guess I'll just starve"... I start digging in to my food. He tentavly ate a grape from my fruit cup. I then offered him a slice of bacon and a bite of my eggs. He finished my plate.

So then the next day he was home from work and I was at work. (we work 12 hour shifts and alternate weekends so we have days off during the week) and he texted me "Screw this, gluten free is expensive, I'd rather suffer", only his language was much more colorful! lol. He wound up getting some $3.00 steak and eggs and sauteing it with onions and peppers. I just told him to focus on whole foods not substitutes in the beginning

Anyway, we started simple, with basic foods, meat and veggies and beans. I got pot roast buy one get one free and was able to make a delicous beef soup/stew that we ate for two days. Once I realized we could make a lot of food without any of the 'gluten free substitutes" that are expensive Chicken, rice, broccoli, etc. I usually buy meat buy one get one free.

And there are many NORMAL brands that are gluten free already. Chex makes some great cereals. I stocked up on those because my husband loves cereal. Honey nut, chocolate, and cinnamon. Also many mainstream brands are gluten free. I have heinz ketchup (that says gluten free), hellmans mayo. PUBLIX supermarket has gluten-free on many products that are gluten free, There is a big green circle with gluten-free on the price tas. so brands you already know, that aren't any more expensive, are already ok. In this way I bought some barbeque sauce and salad dressings.

Also I looked up brands like kraft and jif peanut butter and it seems like the kraft lite ranch dressing and the jif natural peanut butter I have are ok as well. And I found out my husbands favorite soda's are gluten free as well. Not a healthy choice but it means he doesn't have to feel totall deprived. ( However I did buy some delicous cream soda as a treat, it was 3.99 for four bottles but considering you can pay $1.50 for a 20oz in a store, this was really good with minimal ingredients and sugar instead of corn syrup. )

Now I have ventured into trying some of the gluten free substitutes food. Yes they are expensive and yes we are on a budget too. I have a 3 year old and a 5 year old. So I know it is expensive We just decided that pasta's and breads aren't going to be the basis of our meals anymore, they are going to be TREATS instead of staples. We got a gluten free pancake mix because my husband makes pancakes on sundays when he isn't working. The kids (very picky 3 and 5 year old), LOVED it.

I also tried the DIAMOND crackers, they were HORRIBLE, lol, So I put them in a food processor with some natural potatoe chips and made bread crumbs. My husband seasoned the crumbs and fried up some herb encrusted chicken tenders!

I bought a bread mix from bob's red mill and put it in the bread machine, and my husband loves it. Plus the bread can be frozen and he can get a slice when he wants it. So yes it is expensive but with only him and myself eating it on occasion, not daily.

So I can still keep a regular loaf of bread on hand for the kids and yes I did invest in a separate toaster.

I am slowly starting to experiment with the baking, but little by little because it is expensive. But my husbands health is worth it. I've removed all gluten free food from our home except for a loaf of bread for the kids and I think the chicken nuggest and fish sticks in the freezer, just because they are so picky and need to have something we can give them that's quickand easy . I will just have to be careful and clean whatever I cook them on. (however we are going to have the pediatrician check them as well just to be safe)

I am finding that even when I buy some of the more expensive things that making a homemade gluten free meal is cheaper than even eating fast food! My husband and I both work aprox 48 hours a week ( I worked 60 hours last week) and have two young kids and we still found time to prepare the meals. It wasn't easy but we did. Plus the whole family is fighting a cold right now so we are exhausted as well. We just have to force ourselves to do what needs to be done.

And just to put things in perspective, yesterday my husband ordered naked wings with sauce that he thought would be ok. As an afterthought he asked if he could see the ingredients on the sauce. Well the sauce contained wheat, and he decided since he already paid for the food, he would eat it anyway. He suffered with gas, abd pain, and loose stools the rest of the day. He confessed to me it wasn't worth it to feel that way.

He has lost 5 lbs and I have lost 3. We havn't changed much else except removing the gluten from our diets and I am sticking to the diet too because I FEEL so much better too!

YOU CAN DO IT!!!!!!!!

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I find I spend less on food now than I did before I was diagnosed because I simply don't eat out because I can't trust anywhere. (For instance, I went to BP shortly after my diagnosis, and my gluten-free pizza had a piece of chicken with BBQ sauce on it. I didn't order any chicken on my pizza. If they can't avoid the big things, how on earth can I expect them to avoid crumbs or dustings of flour??)

I find it hard very hard to believe that ordering out from restaurants is going cheaper than that 5$ loaf of bread.

Of course ordering hardly takes any effort, so I totally get why you're doing it.

And I get that many gluten-free products aren't good. Well, that's par for the course. Gluten is the ingredient in flour that makes breads and crakcers etc have a good texture. Bread flour for instance has higher gluten than regular flour because it adds that extra little fluffy factor. The majority of the gluten-free wheat replacement products you'll try won't meet the standards of regular wheat products. Although with that said, most rice crackers are, IMO, the worst type of food ever. They're pretty bad. All of them.

You need to be very, very careful in your own kitchen regarding cross contamination too. If you ever want toast again, you need to invest in a gluten-free toaster. You can't use old, marked cutting boards, mesh colanders, or scratched non-stick frying pans if you're going to be gluten-free.

I know there are many people here who have 'shared kitchens' but I'm not one of them, thankfully. I would go nuts with the amount of cleaniness and caution needed. I strongly suggest that any shared meals in your house are 100% gluten free. Not only will it make the CC in your own house less likely, leftovers are extremely low effort, can be very fulfilling and satisfying, are cheap, and are likely to be healthier or at least more balanced than 'regular' foods anyways. I don't know what I'd do without leftovers.

You mention things like shake'n bake being easy. Well baked chicken without the shake is even easier! Most traditional western food like meat, potatoes and veggies are already gluten-free or very easily made gluten-free.

I don't really know the surprise of being a celiac (I suppose I was a little surprised by it, but I was also desperately hoping I'd find a reason for why I felt so bad), so this probably won't help you much, but I will never go back to eating gluten because I just want to feel better. I've had 12 years of poor health that has over time gotten worse. I don't need any more incentive than good health to be gluten free. It's expensive. It's a hassle. But it's necessary for your health. The only way you will ever feel better is if you follow the diet. You will not ever get better if you don't. And that includes small amounts of gluten from crumbs. The way I see it, you can't afford NOT to be gluten free.

Just to re-hash, you're screwing up your body eating gluten. Mainly, your small intestines are disappearing. 'Flattening' of the villi is a poor term; it would be like saying if my fingers got chopped off that they were flattened. And without that surface area and all the enzymes they make, that's how malabsorption happens. Another thing, because of the immune reaction, the high levels of antibodies in your blood can cause problems with, well, pretty much anything that requires blood. Your kidneys mainly. They have to filter your blood and the excess of antibodies, over prolonged periods of time, is just too much for them to handle and you can start to lose your kidneys too. Then of course there's the increased risk for cancers. I dunno why, but I suspect is has to do with the fact that your intestines aren't being a barrier anymore, so large things that otherwise would never, ever get into your bloodstream are now in there too.

People do die from celiac disease. If you feel like you're dying, it's probably because you are.

I would also be careful about any brand that doesn't specifically say gluten free. For instance, Hellman's specifically told me they couldn't guarantee their mayonnaise was gluten-free when I emailed them.

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nicoleashley Rookie

my bottles of hellman's were labled with the gluten-free green sticker in publix, the only mayo that had that label, and they say "gluten free" on the bottle, again the only mayo I could find that said gluten free.

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I don't care how many hours your husband works (40 is no big deal), he MUST take over things like shopping and making food until you get better. Because you won't get better until you eat right. And on your budget forget about Whole Foods or specialty gluten-free foods. Just eat the stuff that's naturally gluten-free.

I was as bad off physically or worse. I couldn't make anything for myself and was too sick to go to the store. My wife, who was working at least 50 hours a week, had to almost everything for a while, including taking care of two kids.

richard

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Hellman's mayo is most definitely, without question gluten free. In fact, I've never heard of a mayo in the U.S. that isn't gluten-free.

richard

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1desperateladysaved Proficient

I am just wondering how it is going.

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ncdave Apprentice

Hellman's mayo is most definitely, without question gluten free. In fact, I've never heard of a mayo in the U.S. that isn't gluten-free.

richard

Perfect example of expensive gluten free lables, i"ve seen it myself. I bet that jar of mayo cost 2 bucks more than all the rest, how many newbies you think have fell for that trick?

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shadowicewolf Proficient

Hot tip:

Always look up stuff before you leave. It saves time and gives you an idea however be careful as companies can change the formula....

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nicoleashley Rookie

The heinz ketchup and hellman's reduced fat mayo I bought wasn't any more expensive than half the stuff on the shelf. The store brands were a tad bit cheaper, however they had more additives on the label. I also bought the ketchup with sugar instead of high fructose corn syrup. I try to buy food with the least amount of ingredients on the label, and yes sometimes those items are a few cents more expensive, however they are also usually the gluten free options that I see.

I may seem like a newbie and in many ways I am. However being a registered nurse when I was in nursing school 8 years ago I decided to try a gluten free diet and immersed myself into the information. I have also tried to limit the processed food we eat now that I have kids and I ALWAYS read labels.

I know there are issues with cross contamination but I have spoken with a dietician recently who said that it depends on the individuals sensitivity and that is why follow up endoscopy's and colonoscopy's every 5 years are so essential, to ensure that the diet is working and the inflammation is under control.

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gwynanne4life Rookie

I was diagnosed in August via biopsy (total fluke....I went into for a colonoscopy and endo for reflux). I was floored when I was told about celiac disease. Though, for the past few years, I had been been vitamin D deficient and Iron deficient, so it makes sense.

It took nearly a month before I was able to attempt gluten-free...it was very overwhelming. I made it one week gluten-free and I had enough. I was so hungry that I just couldn't hack it.

That was maybe second week of October when I gave it up.

But, my "symptoms" seem to be getting worse and I don't know if this is related to gluten or not...thought I would run it by here.

Problem one: My sleep. This is probably my BIGGEST issue. When I sleep, I never get enough. EVER. Earlier this week, I had slept 16 of 24 hours. SIXTEEN. That is just not acceptable to me. I have an 8 year old and a five year old. :(

This is pretty common for me, though. I have a hard time getting to sleep at night but when I do, I never want to get up. I will drag out and take my kids to school......go back home and sleep until my husband calls to wake me up so I can pick them up. It's impacting every single thing of my life. I don't go anywhere, anymore....I don't even have energy to grocery shop!

Problem two (amongst numerous): I HURT. I can't decide if my leg symptomatic of restless leg or of a siatic nerve, but I need weight on it at night to make it stop feeling weird. On top of that, it is not uncommon for my hands/fingers to be STIFF. My arms (upper arms) will be sore, joints stiff...... my blood tests for rheumatoid issues came back negative (but so did the tests for celiac via blood tests).

Problem 3: dizzy/"out of it"/zombied........ this doesn't happen as frequently, but my aura is just indescribable. today, I was out with my mother and I just had to leave where we were. My head felt funny and it was almost a derealization feeling. My legs felt like they were going to give out underneath me at any moment...they were weak and I just wanted to die.......it's THAT bad.

SO........is this typical of Celiac Disease or are there other things going on? I have got to get to the bottom of this because I am THAT debilitated by all of this....and my kids are suffering. I am missing out on so much.

For the record...I've been gluten-free (again) for two days...but I am eating one meal a day because that is all I can really do given my lack of energy to prepare/shop/etc.

Thanks in advance for any insight:)

I was recently diagnosed in mid-September and have been adhering to a strict gluten-free diet - but here I am all these weeks later - and I have all of these exact same symptoms!!  When will I begin to feel well and have energy.  I am taking vitamins, and all of B12 levels, and D3 and Iron levels were normal. But I feel like I am dying.  Very discouraged. :-9

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1desperateladysaved Proficient

I was recently diagnosed in mid-September and have been adhering to a strict gluten-free diet - but here I am all these weeks later - and I have all of these exact same symptoms!!  When will I begin to feel well and have energy.  I am taking vitamins, and all of B12 levels, and D3 and Iron levels were normal. But I feel like I am dying.  Very discouraged. :-9

I sent you a personal message.  I have felt like I was dying sometimes along the way.  You may want to check with someone to see if you have adrenal fatigue.

 

This is an old thread, perhaps you could start a new one with your story.

 

D

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Our lifestyle is a bit strange and I know I have to find a way to change it NOW. Because I am exhausted all of the time and my husband works 40 hours a week and tries to make up at home what I can't do, we do quick stuff..be it very simple shake and bake meals, etc.....I don't even know if I could hack following a recipe at this point in time. We are very strapped for cash being a one-income household. My husband's income dropped when the economy started going into the can...he lost many incentives and bonus opportunities.

I was in Whole Foods Thursday (it is an hour away from us...we don't have one where I am) and I was in awe at all fo the options, HOWEVER, there is no way I could spend $5 for a loaf of bread....or 2.50 for a can of soup......$4 for a microwave meal...etc.

The other option for shopping where I am in Meijer. And Meijer as many things, but they are just as expensive.

 

Going gluten-free does not have to be expensive - in fact, it can be much cheaper.  Stick to simple, whole food.  Meat, veggies, and simple starches (potatoes, rice, quinoa, buckwheat, starchy veggies).  It's actually very simple to make a very healthy, tasty meal in under 30 minutes.  And once you start feeling better, you'll start only needing 8 hours of sleep a night - imagine how much more time you'll have then.  It also doesn't take very long for your energy to start to improve once you get the poisonous-gluten-cootie-bastards out of your system.

 

You feel like you're going to die because gluten is slowly killing you.

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Going gluten-free does not have to be expensive - in fact, it can be much cheaper.  Stick to simple, whole food.  Meat, veggies, and simple starches (potatoes, rice, quinoa, buckwheat, starchy veggies).  It's actually very simple to make a very healthy, tasty meal in under 30 minutes.  And once you start feeling better, you'll start only needing 8 hours of sleep a night - imagine how much more time you'll have then.  It also doesn't take very long for your energy to start to improve once you get the poisonous-gluten-cootie-bastards out of your system.

 

You feel like you're going to die because gluten is slowly killing you.

 

 

Cooties, you have responded to a member who hasn't been active since December 2012. 

 

Colleen

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Cooties, you have responded to a member who hasn't been active since December 2012. 

 

Colleen

 

I almost made that same mistake. lol. I was wondering if we should continue with the current discussion. ?

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I almost made that same mistake. lol. I was wondering if we should continue with the current discussion. ?

 

The OP on this thread had specific issues to address.  A new topic would be favorable with current members contributing.

 

Colleen

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It may sound harsh, but consider another option ......... with me, it went undiagnosed until I nearly died. My intestines are a total mess. They are incredibly sensitive to almost anything I eat now, and I am pretty much in constant pain. If it wasn't for pills to deal with the ulcers, I certainly would be dead. But what the heck! I am still alive. Harsh reality time. Please be thankful you are alive, and can lead a relatively normal life. If it were not for your diagnosis you would be a lot happier right now, but it wouldn't last. Believe me, you don't want to find out what happens if you keep eating gluten. Chin up solider! It could be worse. :)

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Cooties, you have responded to a member who hasn't been active since December 2012. 

 

Colleen

 

Doh!  Darn it... that's twice now... gotta learn to look at the posting date.  Sorry... and thanks for the head's up! 

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I realize this is a very old thread (or the OP and original responses are old, anyway) but I personally don't mind at all that it was bumped up. I think the OP's dilemma, though old to him/her now, is one many of us face as gluten-free newbs, and the responses have been priceless, at least for me.

 

I have gone back to gluten-free and I am going to do less of the "substitutes" this time, as recommended by several replies to the thread. I too had the same gripes and groans, "gluten-free bread is so expensive," etc. But putting it in such simple terms - meat and veggies and rice aren't "abnormally" expensive, they're just naturally gluten-free items - makes so much sense, it gave me a lightbulb moment.

 

gluten-free needn't be "hard" or involve "weird" foods. There are so very many foods that just don't contain gluten, which are very commonly eaten, and in fact traditional, breakfast, lunch and dinner foods. I have been thinking, "ZOMG, what about my carbs?" Oh please, as several have stated here, it's just food.

 

Another thing that struck me about this post was that the OP's dilemma (wherever she is now) is so similar to mine...I feel like I'm not a mother to my children right now. I can barely function. I have to do it for them even more so than for me. All this time I've been thinking me, me, me, I feel so bad, I'm so sick, I, I, I. But it isn't just me that's being affected by this.

 

I'm grateful to have seen this thread.

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I find I have to do everything in the morning when I am most energetic - I have slow cooker and prepare some stew in it or even chicken with veg and potatoes, soup whilst making breakfast- so that I can take it easy and rest for the day. Also on an energetic day I often cook two meals at once and freeze one (something like bolognaise sauce- make a lot in one go and freeze a couple of portions) So I always have something for the family which is easy and effortless- bags of salad- precook, rice, quinoa, millet and keep them in bags in the freezer so that we c an add them to the salads, soups,etc

In any case, have faith and you must find your body's rhythm and go with it!! We're here to help if you need us!!

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      I made an account just to reply to this topic. My story resembles yours in so many ways that it is truly amazing. I also suddenly became lactose intolerant, went a little under 10 years attributing all my symtoms to different body parts, never thinking it was something systemic until much later. I had the same mental problems - anxiety, depression, fatigue, etc. In fact, the only real difference in our story is that I was never formally diagnosed. When I discovered that my myriad symtoms, that had been continuous and worsening for years, all rapidly subsided upon cessation of consuming gluten, I immediately took it upon myself to cut gluten out of my diet completely. I live in America, and had lost my health insurance within the year prior to my discovery, so I could not get tested, and I will never willingly or knowingly consume gluten again, which I would have to do in order to get tested now that I have insurance again. But that is not the point of this reply. I also had extreme TMJ pain that began within months of getting my wisdom teeth out at - you guessed it - 17 years old. I was in and out of doctors for my various symptoms for about 5 years before I gave up, but during that time I had also kept getting reffered to different kinds of doctors that had their own, different solutions to my TMJ issue, an issue which I only recently discovered was related to my other symptoms. I began with physical therapy, and the physical therapist eventually broke down at me after many months, raising her voice at me and saying that there was nothing she could do for me. After that saga, I saw a plastic surgeon at the request of my GP, who he knew personally. This palstic surgeon began using botox injections to stop my spasming jaw muscles, and he managed to get it covered by my insurace in 2011, which was harder to do back then. This helped the pain tremendously, but did not solve the underlying problem, and I had to get repeat injections every three months. After a couple of years, this began to lose effectiveness, and I needed treatments more often than my insurance would cover. The surgeon did a scan on the joint and saw slight damage to the tissues. He then got approved by insurance to do a small surgery on the massseter (jaw) muscle - making an incision, and then splicing tissue into the muscle to stop the spasming. It worked amazingly, but about three months later it had stopped working. I was on the verge of seeing the top oral surgeon in our city, but instead of operating on me, he referred me to a unique group of dentists who focus on the TMJ and its biomechanical relationship to teeth occlusion (i.e. how the teeth fit together). This is what your dentist did, and what he did to you was boderline if not outright malpractice. There is a dental field that specializes in doing this kind of dental work, and it takes many years of extra schooling (and a lot of money invested into education) to be able to modify teeth occusion in this manner. Just based on the way you describe your dentist doing this, I can tell he was not qualified to do this to you. Dentists who are qualified and engage in this practice take many measurments of your head, mouth, teeth, etc., they take laboratory molds of your teeth, and they then make a complete, life-size model of your skull and teeth to help them guide their work on you. They then have a lab construct, and give you what is called a "bite splint." It looks and feels like a retainer, but its function is entirely different. This is essentially a literal splint for the TMJ that situates on the teeth. The splint is progressively modified once or twice per week, over several months, in order to slowly move the joint to its correct position. The muscles spasm less, stress is taken off the joint, as the joint slowly moves back into its proper position. The pain reduces each month, each week, sometimes even each day you go in for a visit. The joint has to be moved in this manner with the splint BEFORE the modification to the teeth begins. They then add to your tooth structure with small bits of composite, to keep the joint in its proper place after it has been sucessfully repositioned. Subtracting from your teeth, by grinding down bits of your natural tooth structure, is done very conservatively, if they have to do it at all. This process worked for me - after six months, my face, jaw, neck all felt normal, and I had no more pain - a feeling I had not had in a long time. It also made my face look better. I had not realized the true extent that the spasming muscles and the joint derangement had effected the shape of my face. The pain began to return after a few months, but nowhere near where it had been before. This immense reduction in pain lasted for a little over two years. The treatment still ultimately failed, but it is not their fault, and it is still the treatment that has given me the most relief to this day. Later on, I even went about three years with very, very good pain reduction, before the joint severely destabilized again. This field of dentistry is the last line treatment for TMJ issues before oral surgery on the TMJ. There aren't as many denists around who practice this anymore, and the practice is currently shrinking due to dentists opting for less espensive, additional educations in things like professional whitening, which have a broader marketability. Getting this treatment is also very expensive if not covered by insurance (in America at least). My first time was covered by insurance, second time was not, though the dentist took pity on me due to the nature of my case and charged like a quarter of usual pricing. Most cases seen by these dentists are complete successes, and the patient never has to come back again. But occasionally they get a case that is not a success, and I was one of those cases. A little over a year ago, I began seeing the second dentist who keeps my TMJ stable in this manner. The first dentist retired, and then died sadly. A shame too, because he was a truly amazing, knowledgable guy who really wanted to help people. The new dentist began to get suspicious when my joint failed to stay stable after I was finished with the bite splint and his modifications, so he did another scan on me. This is ten years after the first scan (remember, I said the surgeon saw "slight" damage to the tissue on the first scan). This new scan revealed that I now no longer have cartilage in the joint, on both sides - complete degeneration of the soft tissues and some damage to the bone. The dentist sat me down and had a talk with me after these results came in, and said that when he sees damage like this in cases like mine, that the damage to the joint is most likely autoimmune, and that, in his experinece, it is usually autoimmune. He has sent patients with cases like mine to Mayo Clinic. He said he will continue to see me as long as the treatment continues to offer me relief, but also said that I will probably have to see a dentist for this type of treatment for the rest of my life. He is not currently recommending surgery due to my young age and the fact that the treatment he provides manages my symptoms pretty well. I still see this dentist today, and probably will see this kind of dental specialist for the rest of my life, since they have helped with this issue the most. I did not inform him that I am 100% sure that I have celiac disease (due to my complete symptom remission upon gluten cessation). I didn't inform him because I thought it would be inappropriate due to not having a formal diagnosis. I was disappointed, because I had believed I had caught it BEFORE it had done permanent damage to my body. I had never suspected that my TMJ issues may be related to my other symptoms, and that the damage would end up complete and permanent. Luckily, I caught it about 6 months after my other joints started hurting, and they stopped hurting right after I went gluten free, and haven't hurt since. I of course did the necessary research after the results of the second scan, and found out that the TMJ is the most commonly involved joint in autoimmune disease of the intestines, and if mutliple joints are effected, it is usually the first one effected. This makes complete sense, since the TMJ is the most closely related joint to the intestines, and literally controls the opening that allows food passage into your intestines. I am here to tell you, that if anyone says there is no potential relationship between TMJ issues and celiac disease, they are absolutely wrong. Just google TMJ and Celiac disease, and read the scientific articles you find. Research on issues regarding the TMJ is relatively sparse, but you will find the association you're looking for validated.
    • trents
      Welcome to the forum, @SuzanneL! Which tTG was that? tTG-IGA? tTG-IGG? Were there other celiac antibody tests run from that blood draw? Was total IGA measured? By some chance were you already cutting back on gluten by the time the blood draw was taken or just not eating much? For the celiac antibody tests to be accurate a person needs to be eating about 10g of gluten daily which is about 4-6 pieces of bread.
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