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#1 VeggieGal

 
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:06 AM

Hi all, I'm soon to be going gluten free and was just wondering how important itis to check for cross contamination?

Is it because of it still being a possible danger for our intestines?

Or/and is it because it can really make us feel sick?

And how far do we go? Have separate toasters etc?

Sorry if this is a daft question, but wonder how careful i'll need to be
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 05:17 AM

It isn't a daft question. It isn't one that anyone can answer either. Different celiacs/gluten intolerants have different levels of sensitivity. My husband can eat any gluten free thing around, and I have to obsess like crazy about the slightest contamination or I get sick. My daughter is somewhere in between. It just depends. The large majority don't have to worry much. To be sure whether or not your intestines are being damaged despite a lack of symptoms, you would need a follow up colonoscopy.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:10 AM

Hi all, I'm soon to be going gluten free and was just wondering how important itis to check for cross contamination?

Is it because of it still being a possible danger for our intestines?

Or/and is it because it can really make us feel sick?

And how far do we go? Have separate toasters etc?

Sorry if this is a daft question, but wonder how careful i'll need to be


Hi VeggieGal!

I think all Celiacs need to be somewhat vigilant about CC.....don't quite agree with different levels of sensitivity. Damage can happen whether you feel it or not. I think most of us who appear very sensitive, like myself, just have the pleasure of really feeling a hit badly when it happens. Other don't but when they had their biopsies done, there was a lot of damage.
You want to be vigilant but not paranoid.

Many mainstream foods are naturally gluten free and most food stores, in the UK also, have a listing of their gluten-free products. I tend to stick with dedicated facilities for bread and things like that because I do react to small amounts but I think it safer to do so. Genius bread, from the UK, is a dedicated company and have some very good products. I do not usually eat from shared facilities but that mostly applies to anything like carbs...bread, crackers...things where there would be a lot of flour flying around. Some companies do a good job of keeping things separate but you may have to call and see how serious they are about that before making a decision.

You will need a dedicated toaster, for sure, and replace any wooden spoons, colanders which may have been used for pasta, and any pots or pans with porous surfaces. Stainless steel or enameled cookware is OK.....hard surfaces and not porous. But cast iron, if not coated, or teflon coated pans that are scratched up, should be replaced. I found there was little I needed replacing so don't panic and think this will cost you a lot of money. It shouldn't. No one else should be using these items for anything but gluten-free food. Ditto for wooden cutting boards. Once you have these basics taken care of, then the rest is just replacing food.

It's Christmas! Ask your family for a gift certificate to a cooking shop where you can have fun picking out some new items. :)

I wanted to ask....do you have a lot of GI problems? Does your gut hurt after eating something with gluten? It definitley makes things easier if you do! Who wants to feel sick to their stomach? :(

I don't think you will need a colonoscopy, either. That's overkill, unless you are having problems after going gluten-free. Most people heal up fine but it can take a while for you to feel much better, depending on your symptoms. Patience really becomes important but I guarantee you, looking back in a couple of years from now, you'll wonder why you didn't do this sooner. The difference can be remarkable.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 10:42 AM

I don't know if you have come across coeliac uk yet. They do a handbook each year of gluten-free foods which is very useful. It covers a very wide range of foods not just specialist ones.
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- Symptoms from 2001, maybe before. Across 20+ years, these have included, vomiting, D, migraines, headaches, recurrent miscarriage, inflammation problems (failure to heal from injuries) brain fog, anxiety and more!
- Elimination diet using Atkins, 2003 – excluded wheat, caffeine, quorn. 2005, excluded sesame, alcohol
- Started diagnosis route April 2012, blood tests, endoscopy – said negative, gluten challenge, clearly something very wrong, had to stop after 3 weeks.
- Gluten Free, August 2012, Corn Free, September 2012. Removed most processed gluten free foods.
- Genetic testing, December 2012 – negative – Diagnosis – Non Celiac Gluten Intolerance (NCGI)
- Elimination diet, January 2013 – all of the above plus dairy, legumes, all grains, sugar, additives, white potatoes, soy. Reintroducing sloooowly now. Health improving.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 11:16 AM

Oh thanks for your replies, its really helpful to have as much info as poss.

Yes Gemini I don't want to get paranoid but do want to be careful. Luckily Its just me and my 11 yr old son so will get him to eat similar things to me to make it easier.

With regards to GI problems, i think ive just got used to the pains over time..i remember many a time scouring medical books and my dad saying i was an hypochondriac and my doctor would put everything down to stress (luckily I have a new gp). I recently went gluten free for about 4 weeks and when I started eating it again for testing, I couldnt believe how ill I felt in comparison ie, stomach gripes, stabbing pains although my mainissues seems to be flu type symptoms, headaches, achey joints and extreme fatigue; oh and i forgot...brain fog :)

I suppose time will tell if and when i eat cross contaminated food and hopefully i will learn from it !!
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 11:32 AM

I don't know if you have come across coeliac uk yet. They do a handbook each year of gluten-free foods which is very useful. It covers a very wide range of foods not just specialist ones.


Thanks CMW I will check it out :)
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 11:40 AM

Oh thanks for your replies, its really helpful to have as much info as poss.

Yes Gemini I don't want to get paranoid but do want to be careful. Luckily Its just me and my 11 yr old son so will get him to eat similar things to me to make it easier.

With regards to GI problems, i think ive just got used to the pains over time..i remember many a time scouring medical books and my dad saying i was an hypocondriact and my doctor would put everything down to stress (luckily I have a new gp). I recently went gluten free for about 4 weeks and when I started eating it again for testing, I couldnt believe how ill I felt in comparison ie, stomach gripes, stabbing pains.

I suppose time will tell if and when i eat cross contaminated food and hopefully i will learn from it !!


You sound like many of us.....I researched things also to find out why I was in such excruciating pain yet no one else seemed to be interested in finding out. The docs will tell you it's either acid reflux or IBS.....NOT! Those are just symptoms of a larger problem and many times it's food related.

Look at the Genius website. They even have just started advertising Indian Naan bread....gluten-free! Makes me want to fly across the Pond for some. :P

After time, if you follow a strict gluten-free diet and then take a gluten hit (this happens to almost everyone in the beginning), the reaction can be more severe. It's just something that happens to many and, I think, a good indicator that you are healing well. Once you cleanse your body of the evil stuff, reactions become more pronounced.

Your son will adjust fine after he realizes there is still much you can eat and the fact he'll be feeling better!
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:37 PM

Well my son is too scared to even have the blood test so I was thinking of trying him gluten free for a while with me and see if he gains energy etc.

Yeah thanks the genius website looks good, I'll give it a try. I did send for a free hamper from Glutafin and was dead impressed with their products..think there was a naan in there too!

Although I think I might find it difficult at first going gluten free, especially for grabbing quick snacks etc.

I've always tried to be abit of an health freak learning about nutrition and my drawers are full of vitamins.... I realise now its because I was lacking in energy etc and was always looking at ways to feel better! Hopefully I now have my answer so im just looking forward to new the challenge :)


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Posted 11 December 2012 - 01:00 PM

Well my son is too scared to even have the blood test so I was thinking of trying him gluten free for a while with me and see if he gains energy etc.

Yeah thanks the genius website looks good, I'll give it a try. I did send for a free hamper from Glutafin and was dead impressed with their products..think there was a naan in there too!

Although I think I might find it difficult at first going gluten free, especially for grabbing quick snacks etc.

I've always tried to be abit of an health freak learning about nutrition and my drawers are full of vitamins.... I realise now its because I was lacking in energy etc and was always looking at ways to feel better! Hopefully I now have my answer so im just looking forward to new the challenge :)


Sounds familiar...... :D

Really.....it isn't all that difficult, if you like to cook. I never had any withdrawal but was so sick at diagnosis, it was a welcome relief to eat food that didn't make me sick. It's a good time to go gluten-free as there are more and more mainstream products to help with the transition. More important for kids because good luck trying to get an 11 year old to eat a whole foods diet. They will rebel if you remove too much. Some cookies or a little treat will show them that this isn't the end of the world. I had a very easy time finding gluten-free stuff in England. People seem to be more aware than in some parts of the US. I think once your son feels better, he'll make the connection and it will be easier for him...especially if Mom is gluten-free too!
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 01:09 PM

My 5 year old had his blood test last week on a paediatric day ward. The nurses were fantastic at dealing with a nervous child. I found it different having nurses well used to dealing with kids.

I thought no way would we be able to do it as he melted down before his skin prick test (nut allergy) 15 minutes before.

It took maybe 4 minutes.

Sounds like you know what you ard doing.

There is some very good gluten-free food available here.

Good luck
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- Symptoms from 2001, maybe before. Across 20+ years, these have included, vomiting, D, migraines, headaches, recurrent miscarriage, inflammation problems (failure to heal from injuries) brain fog, anxiety and more!
- Elimination diet using Atkins, 2003 – excluded wheat, caffeine, quorn. 2005, excluded sesame, alcohol
- Started diagnosis route April 2012, blood tests, endoscopy – said negative, gluten challenge, clearly something very wrong, had to stop after 3 weeks.
- Gluten Free, August 2012, Corn Free, September 2012. Removed most processed gluten free foods.
- Genetic testing, December 2012 – negative – Diagnosis – Non Celiac Gluten Intolerance (NCGI)
- Elimination diet, January 2013 – all of the above plus dairy, legumes, all grains, sugar, additives, white potatoes, soy. Reintroducing sloooowly now. Health improving.
It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer. ~Albert Einstein Posted Image

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 01:25 PM

Ive heard that Sainsburys are pretty good for gluten free altho I wasnt overly impressed with Asda or Tesco.. I think cooking from scratch is the way to go ..might make a good cook of me yet lol.

CMW, well my son has got more nervous as hes got older but I know getting him blood tested at some stage is a necessity. Do kids have to go through a biopsy in the UK? as I was reading somewhere that in the US they might not have to...but then is an 11 year old classed as over the age limit anyway I wonder?
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 03:02 PM

I haven't got to that stage as we are still waiting for blood test results. I am kind of going with staying in denial until we get bloods.

There seems to be a lot of variation everywhere on what is needed for diagnosis. I think to get the prescription gluten-free food you may need to. Maybe someone else can chime in?

I must confess I was sneaky to get my son to do it. He knew we were going for the allergy tests and I mentioned that I would talk to the doctor about my possible celiac, but failed to mention it might involve a blood test or more needles.

He had it done from his hand after a freezing spray. He sat on my lap with his arm behind me and we looked a where's Wally while they took blood from the hand behind so that he never saw the needle. I know that set up wouldn't quite work for an 11 year old but just wanted to give you an idea how good paediatric nurses can be. He was rewarded with a magazine too :)

Edited to add - he will need to be eating gluten to get the blood test and biopsy done, which is a good reason to get it done sooner. It can be hard to reintroduce gluten after being gluten-free even a short while.
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- Symptoms from 2001, maybe before. Across 20+ years, these have included, vomiting, D, migraines, headaches, recurrent miscarriage, inflammation problems (failure to heal from injuries) brain fog, anxiety and more!
- Elimination diet using Atkins, 2003 – excluded wheat, caffeine, quorn. 2005, excluded sesame, alcohol
- Started diagnosis route April 2012, blood tests, endoscopy – said negative, gluten challenge, clearly something very wrong, had to stop after 3 weeks.
- Gluten Free, August 2012, Corn Free, September 2012. Removed most processed gluten free foods.
- Genetic testing, December 2012 – negative – Diagnosis – Non Celiac Gluten Intolerance (NCGI)
- Elimination diet, January 2013 – all of the above plus dairy, legumes, all grains, sugar, additives, white potatoes, soy. Reintroducing sloooowly now. Health improving.
It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer. ~Albert Einstein Posted Image

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 03:32 PM

Hi all, I'm soon to be going gluten free and was just wondering how important itis to check for cross contamination?

Is it because of it still being a possible danger for our intestines?

Or/and is it because it can really make us feel sick?

And how far do we go? Have separate toasters etc?

Sorry if this is a daft question, but wonder how careful i'll need to be


There are no universal answers to these questions.
Yes, at some point, a high enough level of cross contamination WILL cause damage, to just about any celiac. But studies suggest that levels of 20ppm is the threshold for causing damage to most celiacs. But that's a really, really small amount, so, in effect, it's important to check for cross contamination. (If you could see a gluten containing item contaminating your food (a crumb in your peanut butter jar), it is definitely too much.

Whether it will do damage and make you feel sick, or do damage without making you feel sick depends entirely upon your body. Everyone is different.

Separate toasters are an absolute must. Separate condiment jars (or at least avoiding double-dipping) are also a must. Separate preparation areas can be very helpful, and avoiding things that are very difficult to fully clean is important as well. Things like pasta colanders (especially plastic ones) and wooden spoons and cutting boards are VERY difficult to completely clean. Cast iron pans absolutely can't be shared (though you could likely scour down thoroughly and re-season an old one), and even things like non-scratch pans with scratches in them can't be totally cleaned.

Other things to keep in mind are crumbs on counters, and if anyone in your kitchen bakes with wheat based flour - which can get airborne for a while, then settle as a dust on surfaces, and be very difficult to thoroughly clean.

**IMHO, 20ppm is a ridiculous measure. 20ppm is a density, not a quantity. If I eat one million units of food that is contaminated at 20ppm (say, milligrams, so lets say I eat 1kg (2.2lbs) of food) I get 20 units of gluten (in this case, milligrams). But if I'm really hungry that day and eat 4.5lbs of food, I'm going to get 40mg of gluten, even though the food I eat has the same contamination level. I get twice the dose, because I ate twice as much food. So saying what the density of contamination is doesn't actually say anything about what the dosage for damage is, without stating your assumptions about how much is consumed. Very irritating, I think.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 03:36 PM

Cmw...Yes think im going to have to bribe him in some way to get him tested (could be expensive :( !") but will try to keep him on gluten until the blood tests at least
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 04:05 PM

Hi Tarnalberry, thanks for that info... theres alot to think about. Guess i'm going to have to just try my best and take it one step at a time. Sooo much to learn, but I'll get there :)
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