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#1 leo.the.bunny

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 04:29 PM

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I have been having symptoms of leaky gut for about 2 months now after getting better from a gluten free diet. Since it started I have switched to a whole foods diet and removed all dairy, corn, soy, eggs, rice, nightshades, nuts, legumes and grains and also coconuts, bananas and avocados. Since I have been trying to prevent weight loss while on this diet I had been eating A LOT of peanut butter, but then became intolerant to it after a while and decided to cut it out. I then switched to almond butter, but became intolerant to that too not long after. Because of this I decided to just cut out all nuts and legumes, but I'm wondering if that is necessary. If i have a reaction to almonds does that mean I'll have reactions to other nuts? Same with grains, I recently cut out white rice, so does that mean I should avoid all other grains like brown rice, quinoa amaranth etc. I'm just wondering because after 2 weeks of not eating banana after suspecting I was intolerant I decided to try eating one and got a pretty severe reaction, then the next day when I ate an avocado I had just as bad a reaction to that when I had been fine with them before. I'm pretty scared of experimenting with food that I'm not too sure of so I would just like some advice first from anyone who has any experience with this :)

Also I'm just wondering is it possible to have leaky gut without anything else like parasites or candida? My symptoms aren't too severe I just have fatigue, pretty bad swelling in my stomach and increasing intolerances that make me feel very sick for a day or 2. My stomach pain and gas went away after I dropped corn and milk, but I know I haven't improved much because other intolerances keep popping up

I would really appreciate any advice!
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 06:49 PM

Basically you have to stop eating a lot of anything because that never goes well (I would know) and try to add some variety. Pick up some new foods, or foods you haven't tested yet and try to see what works for you. Also pay attention to the things you can have small amounts of... I introduced to my diet things I could only eat a little of to make it more diversified and have no problems with it insofar.

I'm not sure about leaky gut without parasites, though... I know that I got none because I got my stools tested and it came all clear. I've read celiac disease causes leaky gut so I suppose that might be your case. Either way talk to your doctor and get tested.
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 10:54 PM

i'm on a sort of rotation diet. I cannot do, for example, sweet potatos more than two times a week without issues. Likewise with pasta (corn and quinoa), though i've fine daily for corn.

Your body needs to have some sort balance and rotation. To much of anything is bad.
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 12:27 AM

Hi

I have been having symptoms of leaky gut for about 2 months now after getting better from a gluten free diet. Since it started I have switched to a whole foods diet and removed all dairy, corn, soy, eggs, rice, nightshades, nuts, legumes and grains and also coconuts, bananas and avocados. Since I have been trying to prevent weight loss while on this diet I had been eating A LOT of peanut butter, but then became intolerant to it after a while and decided to cut it out. I then switched to almond butter, but became intolerant to that too not long after. Because of this I decided to just cut out all nuts and legumes, but I'm wondering if that is necessary. If i have a reaction to almonds does that mean I'll have reactions to other nuts? Same with grains, I recently cut out white rice, so does that mean I should avoid all other grains like brown rice, quinoa amaranth etc. I'm just wondering because after 2 weeks of not eating banana after suspecting I was intolerant I decided to try eating one and got a pretty severe reaction, then the next day when I ate an avocado I had just as bad a reaction to that when I had been fine with them before. I'm pretty scared of experimenting with food that I'm not too sure of so I would just like some advice first from anyone who has any experience with this :)

Also I'm just wondering is it possible to have leaky gut without anything else like parasites or candida? My symptoms aren't too severe I just have fatigue, pretty bad swelling in my stomach and increasing intolerances that make me feel very sick for a day or 2. My stomach pain and gas went away after I dropped corn and milk, but I know I haven't improved much because other intolerances keep popping up

I would really appreciate any advice!

quinoa and amaranth are not grains,, they are seeds
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 02:03 AM

quinoa and amaranth are not grains,, they are seeds

Actually, according to Wiki :P - I know, not necessarily a world-leading authority but serves the purpose -. they are pseudocereal grains:

Pseudocereal grains

Starchy grains from broadleaf (dicot) plant families:

amaranth (Amaranth family)
quinoa (Goosefoot family)
buckwheat (Smartweed family)

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Food_grain


I think for our purposes here it probably does not make much difference whether you classify them as grains or seeds, they are our substitute grains. And I have as many problems with amaranth and quinoa as I have with corn, a grain, whether monocot, dicot, or how many cot. But no problems with buckwheat. Tremendous problems with millet, which is a grain, too. So there is something they all have in common somewhere. My hunch is lectins; again, just my hunch, and one I operate on to keep me safe.

Cookbooks call these 'gluten-free flours' and they all serve as grains in our baking. I believe this is the sense in which the OP was using the word 'grains'.

And obviously, from my personal experience, it does not make much difference how they are classified, you have to try each one yourself to see if you are okay with, because what works for me will not necessarily work for you or anyone else.

If you (the OP) find you keep 'losing' (being unable to tolerate) additional foods, you have to stop and do something. And in my book that is heal your leaky gut. Go back to basics, things like lamb, applesauce, maybe sweet potato, things you can establish as not bothering your gut. Find as many of these as you can, and then introduce one additional food each week (keeping a food and symtom diary) and gauge your reaction. Immediatly drop anything that gives you a negative reaction. Do not eat anything you have been adversely reacting to, and vary what you eat as much as possible (I know, hard to do on a limited diet, but if you find things that work rotate those around as much as possible.

And while you are doing this, take a real good quality probiotic with multiple billions of good flora with which to repopulate your gut, take digestive enzymes with every meal to help out your gut in the digestive process (your pancreas is probably not functioning very well and needs some help in breaking down your food into short chain fatty acids), and take something like L-glutamine, or get an anti-inflammatory product from a naturopath, so that you can stop your gut from leaking because it is allowing foods to cross the barrier into the bloodstream in a partially digested state and activating the antibodies and causing you to lose additional foods because your immune system is confused.
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#6 leo.the.bunny

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 03:04 AM

Thanks a lot guys I really appreciate the help. I'm also avoiding lectins at the moment because most of the food I've become intolerant to have high amounts of lectins and I'm scared to try anything else that does! I'm finding it very difficult to find things to eat for breakfast and having to rotate is making it much harder... I can barely even think of one thing!

Just wondering is it bad to eat things more than once in a day? Like can I eat chicken for lunch and dinner and then avoid it for the next few days and then eat it again or is that still too much? And is it possible to become intolerant of stuff like salt, pepper and oils? I use olive oil in almost everything but will I have to rotate that too? Sorry for all the questions I just really want to get better soon so I can have a normal life back and stop struggling with uni!! ><
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 11:11 AM

Hi

I have been having symptoms of leaky gut for about 2 months now after getting better from a gluten free diet. Since it started I have switched to a whole foods diet and removed all dairy, corn, soy, eggs, rice, nightshades, nuts, legumes and grains and also coconuts, bananas and avocados. Since I have been trying to prevent weight loss while on this diet I had been eating A LOT of peanut butter, but then became intolerant to it after a while and decided to cut it out. I then switched to almond butter, but became intolerant to that too not long after. Because of this I decided to just cut out all nuts and legumes, but I'm wondering if that is necessary. If i have a reaction to almonds does that mean I'll have reactions to other nuts? Same with grains, I recently cut out white rice, so does that mean I should avoid all other grains like brown rice, quinoa amaranth etc.


No. It is not necessary to cut all legumes or all grains because you have developed an intolerance to some. What happens when you have a leaky gut, is large particles of food can escape the digestion and enter the bloodstream. So if you are eating a food very often this will cause a large amount of the said food to circulate in your bloodstream. Now the immune system seeing these particles as foreign proteins, develops anti-bodies against the food protein, and the next time you consume it your body will mount an immune response against it.

I can say from experience, I am currently intolerant to almonds (from over-eating them), yet I can eat cashews no problem so long I as I rotate it.

I'm just wondering because after 2 weeks of not eating banana after suspecting I was intolerant I decided to try eating one and got a pretty severe reaction, then the next day when I ate an avocado I had just as bad a reaction to that when I had been fine with them before. I'm pretty scared of experimenting with food that I'm not too sure of so I would just like some advice first from anyone who has any experience with this :)


Are you sure you are not experiencing a delayed reaction to another food, and you are wrongly blaming it on banana or avocado? The reason I ask, is I noticed when I react to a food, it could take a day to begin to see a reaction, and the reaction gets progressively worse over the next few days before it subsides. So it could be you are reacting to a different food without knowing it. I would recommend keeping a daily log of your food intake and symptoms, this way over time you can notice patterns and find the true culprits.

I can say from my experience, the foods I most often became intolerant to where foods with a high protein content. And foods like apples and bananas, even when I was eating them every day, I did not become reactive to them. Im not saying that is the case with you, but its something to consider.

Also I'm just wondering is it possible to have leaky gut without anything else like parasites or candida? My symptoms aren't too severe I just have
atigue, pretty bad swelling in my stomach and increasing intolerances that make me feel very sick for a day or 2. My stomach pain and gas went away after I dropped corn and milk, but I know I haven't improved much because other intolerances keep popping up


Yes. It most definitely is possible. I have no parasites or candida issue, but I am fairly certain I have a leaky gut.

Are you currently doing a rotation diet? If not, I would suggest immediately starting a 4 day rotation diet, as that will prevent you from developing further intolerance's, as well as help you discover current intolerance's. When you have a leaky gut, you can become intolerant to any food you eat too often. In my case I became intolerant to salmon, brown rice, almonds, sweet potatoes, ground beef and more.

Here are a few good links on the 4 day rotation diet:

http://img705.images...961/allergy.png
http://www.ehcd.com/...naldietinfo.PDF
http://www.wish4life...tation_diet.pdf

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 11:41 AM

Thanks a lot guys I really appreciate the help. I'm also avoiding lectins at the moment because most of the food I've become intolerant to have high amounts of lectins and I'm scared to try anything else that does! I'm finding it very difficult to find things to eat for breakfast and having to rotate is making it much harder... I can barely even think of one thing!


For breakfast how about a bunch of different fruits? There are a wide variety of fruits you can probably eat. Here are some good ones which are high calorie and will help you maintain your weight: dates, mango, figs, bananas, grapes.

Just wondering is it bad to eat things more than once in a day? Like can I eat chicken for lunch and dinner and then avoid it for the next few days and then eat it again or is that still too much? And is it possible to become intolerant of stuff like salt, pepper and oils? I use olive oil in almost everything but will I have to rotate that too? Sorry for all the questions I just really want to get better soon so I can have a normal life back and stop struggling with uni!! ><


Look into the 4 day rotation diet. With regards to spices and oils, I can speak from my experience, initially I rotated my spices and oils, but I soon realized I could eat them every day no problem. (i believe this is because they have no protein, and food sensitivities are caused by the body reacting to the protein in a food).

I feel you. It sucks to have to deal with a rotation diet, food logging and all that jazz. But you gotta attack the situation head on if you wanna resolve it. Perhaps you can find a local doctor who is familiar with the rotation diet who can help guide you?
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 01:53 AM

Thanks a lot Stri8ed your advice helps a lot. I'm not sure if I would be having delayed reactions because every time i cut out the food that I ate right before the reaction happened I seem to get better even if everything else I'm eating is the same so it seems like my reactions are pretty instant.

I am trying to do a rotation diet now, but I'm not having much success yet... I started the diet yesterday and didn't notice any stomach upsets, my stomach is always bloated but is slightly flatter if i don't eat anything bad so it was fine yesterday. But this morning i decided to eat just mango and grapes for breakfast and almost immediately my stomach got extremely swollen and full... I didn't feel like I was having any other digestive issues like I usually do when I discover a new intolerance, just really really bloated. I've been eating fruit throughout the week and haven't really noticed this happening and I haven't eaten mangos or grapes much at all so I don't think I would've become overexposed... I am just so confused with all of this I can't work it out. I am trying my best to not bother my stomach anymore, but the most random things cause problems it is so frustrating! I honestly can't believe how easy it used to be to eat food... Is being bloated from fruit a common thing or do I have another thing I need to avoid?
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