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Itching, But Not Eczema, Or Dh, Or Shingles,....
#16
Posted 30 December 2012 - 06:06 PM
My very celiac-savvy GI doctor said:
"There are many kinds of celiac rashes and they are not all full-blown DH. The burning was possibly a pre-cursor of the blistering rash of DH and your skin was affected"
All I know is I was bright red from head to toe and felt like I was on fire for 3 years.
DH manifests for YEARS in the skin layers.
but, yes, this intense itching could very well could be a part of celiac.
There are many skin conditions associated with celiac disease:
Chronic Urticaria (Hives) and Keratosis Pilaris for example.
http://celiacdisease...-Many-Forms.htm
and yes, it could be dry skin. But is it Flaky? if not, that's not it.
I get itching and burning sensations any time I get glutened.
By all means, have yourself tested for allergies, just in case.
Shingles is neuropathic pain and you would be crying and in agony if you had that.
"Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It's the way it is. The way we cope with it makes the difference." Virginia Satir
"It isn't for the moment you are struck that you need courage, but for the long uphill climb back to sanity, faith and security." Anne Morrow Lindbergh
"Kindness in words creates confidence. Kindness in thinking creates profoundness. Kindness in giving creates love."
Lao Tzu
"The strongest of all warriors are these two - time and patience." Leo Tolstoy
Misdiagnosed for 25+ years; finally DXed on 11/01/10. I figured it out myself. Double DQ2 genes. This thing tried to kill me. I view Celiac as a fire breathing dragon --and I have run my sword right through his throat.
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#17
Posted 30 December 2012 - 06:13 PM
Thanks Squirmy!
I never said "it is" only "if it is".
YVW. And I totally understood what you said. You make yourself clear when you post. Just as I said it's possible it is; not *it is* but some people don't understand what they read.
Gluten free Dec. 2011
Soy free Dec. 2011
Hubs self diagnosed dh March 30, 2012
Hubs gluten free March 30, 2012
#18
Posted 30 December 2012 - 08:24 PM
I don't think its a part of Celiac, but maybe in association of a compromised system, or
DH itself. Liver enzymes can be out of wack due to Celiac. It can be very common with a diagnosis (some can itch, others not). Meds, could also be a cause. Blood pressure meds or cholesteral meds could also be a player. Simply easy scratching can leave whelps. Add a cool compress to the agitated area.
My DH manifested as intense itching beyond anything I ever imaged before the rash appeared. I do not know if this is normal or not, but it is what happened to me. Best of luck with the doctor.
I blew through about half a bottle a day, and didn't find that it relieved the itching completely but I did find that Calamine lotion helped take the edge off enough that I wasn't driven criminally insane. It must be pink and not clear. Have you tried Benadryl? I don't know if it will help or not, but I don't see how it can hurt.
Multiple other causes for itching do exist. But with a confirmed diagnosis of celiac disease it would be reasonable to connect the dots and think that that Dermatitis Herpetiformis, a manifestation of celiac disease that presents in the skin, would be the cause.It is possible that there may be other causes for itching?
I understand that there is a common theme here connecting DH with Celiac, but there are others causes,too. I am currently undergoing a variety of options, as I stated earlier.
Diagnosis by biopsy of practically non-existent villi; gluten-free since July 2000.
Type 1 (autoimmune) diabetes diagnosed in March 1986
Markham, Ontario (borders on Toronto)
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#19
Posted 31 December 2012 - 09:19 PM
For me - soaking in a tub of epsom salt and baking soda calms the itch to tolerable levels.
My first thought was low magnesium. It can cause itching. That would explain why your epsom salt baths help. Epsom salts are magnesium sulfate.
#20
Posted 01 January 2013 - 06:20 AM
My first thought was low magnesium. It can cause itching. That would explain why your epsom salt baths help. Epsom salts are magnesium sulfate.
The epsom is for sore joints and muscles - the baking soda is for the itchies.
-Lisa
Undiagnosed Celiac Disease ~ 43 years
3/26/09 gluten-free - dignosed celiac - blood 3/3/09, biopsy 3/26/09, double DQ2 / single DQ8 positive
10/27/09 diagnosed fibromyalgia - supplemented with amino acids - improvement followed by substantial deterioration
maybe one good hour per day for ~17 months
8/10/11 - Elimination Diet for Autoimmune Disease - incredible improvement along with clear reactions to most high lectin foods
only remaining symptom - severe heat intolerance / reaction to heat, humidity and exercise
Tomato, Pepper, Potato, Peanut, Soy, Bean, Pea, Citrus, Pineapple, Avocado, Shellfish, Dairy, Grain, Nut and Seed FREE
3/1/12 - Horrible flare -- same ol' symptoms but worse ~ 7/1/12 - Endo: Active Celiac 3+ years - as gluten-free as humanly possible.
11/15/12 - Improving once again - Almonds back - Eggs gone
12/1/12 - Histamine containing and inducing foods FREE - finally the last piece of the puzzle (I hope) -- the cause of my heat/exercise "allergy"...
...this was one of my earliest symptoms as a child -- the enzyme (DAO) needed to regulate histamine is created in the small intestine.
6/1/13 - Slowly trialing a few of the items above - haven't gotten any back, but some reactions have been less severe ![]()
If you have read this far - hang in there - obtaining health with any AI is a marathon, not a sprint!
This stubbornly tenacious feisty optimist is vertical once again.
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#21
Posted 02 January 2013 - 03:17 PM
The epsom is for sore joints and muscles - the baking soda is for the itchies.
Sorry 'bout that. I was pretty tired when I wrote that. I didn't mean for the statement to be definitive, more speculative. Meaning that the epsom salts MAY have helped some IF your magnesium was low.
#22
Posted 02 January 2013 - 04:30 PM
Sorry 'bout that. I was pretty tired when I wrote that. I didn't mean for the statement to be definitive, more speculative. Meaning that the epsom salts MAY have helped some IF your magnesium was low.
No worries...it is a valid thought -- most of us are low on many nutrients
-Lisa
Undiagnosed Celiac Disease ~ 43 years
3/26/09 gluten-free - dignosed celiac - blood 3/3/09, biopsy 3/26/09, double DQ2 / single DQ8 positive
10/27/09 diagnosed fibromyalgia - supplemented with amino acids - improvement followed by substantial deterioration
maybe one good hour per day for ~17 months
8/10/11 - Elimination Diet for Autoimmune Disease - incredible improvement along with clear reactions to most high lectin foods
only remaining symptom - severe heat intolerance / reaction to heat, humidity and exercise
Tomato, Pepper, Potato, Peanut, Soy, Bean, Pea, Citrus, Pineapple, Avocado, Shellfish, Dairy, Grain, Nut and Seed FREE
3/1/12 - Horrible flare -- same ol' symptoms but worse ~ 7/1/12 - Endo: Active Celiac 3+ years - as gluten-free as humanly possible.
11/15/12 - Improving once again - Almonds back - Eggs gone
12/1/12 - Histamine containing and inducing foods FREE - finally the last piece of the puzzle (I hope) -- the cause of my heat/exercise "allergy"...
...this was one of my earliest symptoms as a child -- the enzyme (DAO) needed to regulate histamine is created in the small intestine.
6/1/13 - Slowly trialing a few of the items above - haven't gotten any back, but some reactions have been less severe ![]()
If you have read this far - hang in there - obtaining health with any AI is a marathon, not a sprint!
This stubbornly tenacious feisty optimist is vertical once again.
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#23
Posted 03 January 2013 - 03:24 AM
Misdiagnosed DH symptoms for 30 years in the form of blisters on shoulders, scalp, sole of foot and lower back.
Type II Diabetes 1995 / Fatty liver biopsy 2001
Diagnosed with NH Lymphoma in 2007 metastasized to bones & Stage IV by 2008 - Chemotherapy in 2008
Breakout of rash from scalp to sole of feet. February 28, 2012
Iron deficiency anemia - July of 2012 / Osteoarthritis from shoulders down diagnosis. September 2012
2012 Rash was diagnosed as Eczema, Grover's Disease, Folliculitis per biopsies of the lesions. September 2012
PCP prescribed Dapsone and Gluten-Free diet on October 20, 2012 ~ Diagnosis of Celiac/Dermatitis Herpetiformis
Fifth Dermatologist seen noted DH on my chart per relief from Dapsone and diet. February 18, 2013
~Lyn~
#24
Posted 03 January 2013 - 05:23 AM
He was surely an unDxed celiac, given his many symptoms of severe anemia
requiring transfusions, GI problems, etc.......
but he also went into renal failure near the end of his life and one of the complications is insanely itchy skin.
No topicals worked for him at all. Poor guy.
"Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It's the way it is. The way we cope with it makes the difference." Virginia Satir
"It isn't for the moment you are struck that you need courage, but for the long uphill climb back to sanity, faith and security." Anne Morrow Lindbergh
"Kindness in words creates confidence. Kindness in thinking creates profoundness. Kindness in giving creates love."
Lao Tzu
"The strongest of all warriors are these two - time and patience." Leo Tolstoy
Misdiagnosed for 25+ years; finally DXed on 11/01/10. I figured it out myself. Double DQ2 genes. This thing tried to kill me. I view Celiac as a fire breathing dragon --and I have run my sword right through his throat.
I. Win. ![]()
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#25
Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:11 AM
My folks have a new washing machine that they do not wish to use their old supply of liquid tide, so I brought it home to use it up.
We use inexpensive Kirkland powdered detergent -- just under a week ago I put sheets on my bed that I had washed in the liquid detergent -- DOH!! Hoping a sheet change and re-washing a couple loads will remove the incessant itching -- I'm tired of baking soda baths!
Here is an interesting article with regard to itch & pain:
http://www.hopkinsme...aters_explained
-Lisa
Undiagnosed Celiac Disease ~ 43 years
3/26/09 gluten-free - dignosed celiac - blood 3/3/09, biopsy 3/26/09, double DQ2 / single DQ8 positive
10/27/09 diagnosed fibromyalgia - supplemented with amino acids - improvement followed by substantial deterioration
maybe one good hour per day for ~17 months
8/10/11 - Elimination Diet for Autoimmune Disease - incredible improvement along with clear reactions to most high lectin foods
only remaining symptom - severe heat intolerance / reaction to heat, humidity and exercise
Tomato, Pepper, Potato, Peanut, Soy, Bean, Pea, Citrus, Pineapple, Avocado, Shellfish, Dairy, Grain, Nut and Seed FREE
3/1/12 - Horrible flare -- same ol' symptoms but worse ~ 7/1/12 - Endo: Active Celiac 3+ years - as gluten-free as humanly possible.
11/15/12 - Improving once again - Almonds back - Eggs gone
12/1/12 - Histamine containing and inducing foods FREE - finally the last piece of the puzzle (I hope) -- the cause of my heat/exercise "allergy"...
...this was one of my earliest symptoms as a child -- the enzyme (DAO) needed to regulate histamine is created in the small intestine.
6/1/13 - Slowly trialing a few of the items above - haven't gotten any back, but some reactions have been less severe ![]()
If you have read this far - hang in there - obtaining health with any AI is a marathon, not a sprint!
This stubbornly tenacious feisty optimist is vertical once again.
Celiac.com - Celiac Disease Board Moderator
#26
Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:14 PM
And our OP said she was going to the doc on Wednesday. Today's Thursday. Any news OP? How are you doing?
Gluten free Dec. 2011
Soy free Dec. 2011
Hubs self diagnosed dh March 30, 2012
Hubs gluten free March 30, 2012
#27
Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:48 PM
The only medications I take are asthma meds. I have no other conditions that require prescription medicine.
I take a variety of vitamin supplements, all labelled as gluten-free.
I have an appointment to see a dermatologist in a couple of weeks.
The nurse practitioner prescribed (a corticosteroid) mometasone furoate cream, which (naturally) has a positively horrifying list of adverse reactions, not to mention ingredients that give me pause.... but I am giving it a try, having applied the second dose (one application a day). My legs still itch, but I have discovered that gently rubbing them makes them feel better for a few minutes at a time.
But I am trying to not touch the affected area too much.
I have found all of your replies interesting and somewhat helpful.... thank you all. I will return with more information as the condition changes.
I miss bread! But I love Kinnikinnick gluten free pizza crust.
Diagnosed celiac disease: November 2011 (biopsy and endoscopy)
other conditions: asthma, arthritis
#28
Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:06 AM
1. Well, you already saw someone and a rash has developed, but if you feel bad otherwise, getting your liver checked out isn't a bad idea.
2. I don't have any DH per se, but I get itchy mildly skin especially during the winter. So far this year (first year being gluten-free), it's much better. I do get occasional itchy bumps on my forearms, but only ever 1 at a time, and happens maybe once a month. That has developed over the past few years.
3. My sister has had serious eczema most of her life. She knows a few things that have pretty immediate effects on it; yellow food dies (tartrazine for sure, maybe others) and oats are things which come to mind. You may have other food allergies/intolerances causing it.
June 2012 positive visual of celiac disease from gastroscopy
#29
Posted 15 January 2013 - 06:04 PM
I have an appointment with a dermatologist, later in January.
This started as severe itching on my stomach, above the belly button. Then it switched to the lower legs, not exactly 'symmetrical', but my lower legs are where the red 'rash' appeared and both legs are still very pink, but not itching at all at this time.
The only medications I take are for asthma, I am not on any kind of cholesterol meds, no thyroid problems at all (ever), no diabetes, the only conditions I am aware of as of this writing are the asthma and the celiac disease.
I miss bread! But I love Kinnikinnick gluten free pizza crust.
Diagnosed celiac disease: November 2011 (biopsy and endoscopy)
other conditions: asthma, arthritis
#30
Posted 15 January 2013 - 06:18 PM
"Everything that can be counted does not necessarily count; everything that counts cannot necessarily be counted." - Albert Einstein
"Life is not weathering the storm; it is learning to dance in the rain"
"Whatever the question, the answer is always chocolate." Nigella Lawson
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Caffeine free 1973
Lactose free 1990
(Mis)diagnosed IBS, fibromyalgia '80's and '90's
Diagnosed psoriatic arthritis 2004
Self-diagnosed gluten intolerant, gluten-free Nov. 2007
Soy free March 2008
Nightshade free Feb 2009
Citric acid free June 2009
Potato starch free July 2009
(Totally) corn free Nov. 2009
Legume free March 2010
Now tolerant of lactose
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