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Mislabeling Medical Illness As Mental Disorder


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#1 sora

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:55 PM

This may be of interest to some. It is from another forum that I read.

http://www.livingwit...mental-disorder
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 09:22 PM

Yikes!!! We really need to rush through our doctor training program :D on celiac disease or any undiagnosed case of celiac disease will carry the SSD diagnosis and will likely never get the testing to get a diagnosis because it is all in their head, worst case scenario :ph34r: And here I though we had gotten past that "all in your head" bit.
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#3 GottaSki

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 10:05 PM

And here I though we had gotten past that "all in your head" bit.


Some Day.

Until then - - we change minds - - one at a time.
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 05:31 AM

This stuff is scary. They gave meds for GERD to my father because he was stressed; he was growing a huge aneurism in his aorta. :blink: They did it with me, too: "there there, it's just anxiety, you're in grad school; here take some meds" - I have a rampant hyperthyroidism which causes me bouts of thyrotoxicosis. WHERE did you get your MD, at Banana Republic School of Medicine?

I wonder, and this is something I see not only in the US, but also in other countries, whether the problems is not ignorance, but money. Tests are more expensive than meds, and I have known of cases in which doctors prescribing too many tests were 'fined.' In many countries (don't know about the US, but fill me in, because it'd be interesting) GPs receive some, ahem, 'support' from pharmaceutical companies, hence more prescriptions are given for pills as opposed to tests. This, or maybe our culture of speed and 'achievement,' creates the craving for a quick fix, so that the above interests find an eager audience.
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 02:55 PM

Here is the original link to the article in Psychology Today by Allen Frances, MD

DSM5 in Distress, the impact on mental health practice and research, mislabeling medical illness as a mental disorder 12/8/2012

http://www.psycholog...mental-disorder

This is about how the American Psychiatric Association (APA) which is working on its 5th version of a new Diagnostic & Statistic Manual, version 5, aka "DSM-5," wants to make it much easier to call patients with undiagnosed, chronic pain "psychosomatic" with broadening the definition of Somatic Symptom Disorder. Also as having "psychogenic pain." In other words, "head cases."

Please read. Thank you, Sora, for the link, I am going to add this to the other thread I have going on how several news magazines are attempting to lump gluten free dieting for gluten intolerance into the "eating disorder" category, and they quoted another National Institutes of Health rheumatologist who has worked for the Veteran's Admin and who also writes for Psychology Today in those articles.

We need to get familiar with what terms these crooks in the "wheat lobbyist" business are using next to attempt to belittle patients who are not being adequately diagnosed and treated, including, but not limited to, a change of diet to avoid that which makes them ill.

quote from the above Psychology Today article:

"The DSM-5 field trials produced results that should have scared off the Work Group. One in six cancer and coronary disease patients met the criteria for DSM-5 'Somatic Symptom Disorder.' Do we really want to burden and stigmatize seriously ill people with an additional diagnosis of mental illness, just because they are worried about being sick and are vigilant about their symptoms? Might patients with life threatening diseases become reluctant to report new symptoms that might be early indicators of recurrence, metastasis or secondary disease – for fear of attracting a diagnosis of 'SSD'?

"The Work Group is not proposing to classify Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Irritable Bowel Syndrome, and Fibromyalgia within the DSM-5 'Somatic Symptom Disorders' section, but these patients and others with conditions like chronic Lyme disease, interstitial cystitis, Gulf War illness and chemical injury will now become particularly vulnerable to misdiagnosis with a DSM-5 mental health disorder. In the field trials, more than one in four of the irritable bowel and chronic widespread pain patients who comprised the 'functional somatic' study group were coded for 'Somatic Symptom Disorder.'

"To meet requirements for Somatization Disorder (300.81) in DSM-IV, a considerably more rigorous criteria set needed to be fulfilled. There had to be a history of many medically unexplained symptoms before the age of thirty, resulting in treatment sought or psychosocial impairment. The diagnostic threshold was set high – a total of eight or more medically unexplained symptoms from four, specified symptom groups, with at least four pain and two gastrointestinal symptoms.

"In DSM-5, the requirement of eight symptoms is dropped to just one. And the requirement of 'medically unexplained' symptoms is replaced by much looser and more subjective 'excessive thoughts, behaviors and feelings' and the clinician's perception of "dysfunctional illness belief' or 'excessive preoccupation' with the bodily symptom.

"That, and a duration of at least six months, is all that is required to tick the box for a bolt-on diagnosis of a mental health disorder – Colorectal cancer + SSD; Angina + SSD; Type 2 diabetes + SSD; IBS + SSD.


(bolding mine to emphasize how this potential definition of "Somatization Disorder" by the APA impacts patients with no formal diagnosis of celiac who still have digestive troubles with the gluten grain family)
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 06:08 PM

I will not tolerate this steady decline backwards, when we have the technology to make so many positive advances in medical diagnosis and testing. :blink:
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 07:15 PM

I will not tolerate this steady decline backwards, when we have the technology to make so many positive advances in medical diagnosis and testing. :blink:


Gotta say I have always thought (in recent years after so many issues/errors/problems that somebody has to be "bottom of their graduating class in medical school" :). I think I have had more than my fair share of those folks! My family thinks I keep picking doctors that are intent on killing me lol. I cannot understand any such motive.... I actually am a nice person lol. BUT I am increasingly assertive with these demiGods in the medical profession.

Sites like this one allow us to be better informed and more collaborative in our medical care. That is a good thing.

Sorry, I do not want to be a doc-basher but seems to me that the best ones retire or get burned out and the rest just keep practicing ('practice' being the operative concept). I had a nice supportive surgeon do my colonoscopy this week and yet he seemed to doubt (without saying so) that a gluten free diet would do much for me. It already is helping.
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 08:25 PM

Takala - moderators - I wonder if that APA article could be made a sticky in the pre-diagnosis forum?

"Excessive preoccupation" - you've gotta be kidding. When did fear and C. cease to be natural survival/feedback mechanisms?

It's not just "wheat lobbyists," though - it is also psychotropic drugs lobbyists: preoccupation should not be part of a functioning human being, therefore we shut it down with drugs, and persuade otherwise mentally healthy that "some people need meds to just function." Yes, some of them do, poor souls - not 10% or more (some say 20%) of the population.

Because if "mental health" drugs are prescribed to address actual (neuro)psychiatric disorders, then the US is the county with the scariest ratio of neurological/psychiatric/cognitive congenital-and-or-acquired damage on the face of the planet. So it's either that, in which case Houston we have a problem when if 1 out of 10 (I am using APA numbers here, so they are not likely to be exaggerating) of the nation's brains is malfunctioning. Or, there are way too many "mental health" drugs prescribed to way too many people.

Now, call it the emigrant's syndrome, but I still love too much this country that adopted me to believe that 1/10 of Americans in mentally challenged. That seems like adding insult to the injury that drug companies and an inept medical system is causing to the country.

Drug companies = Satan. More often than not.
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Hashimoto's thyroiditis and Grave's disease (2011). It must have been a Black Friday.
Intestinal dysbiosis. Suspected damage to my vili (2012). NCGS according to my dermatologist upon seeing my post-wheat rash.

Gluten-free. Sept 2012.
Canola, almonds, soy = evil.

Grain-free, legume-free. December 2012.
No peanuts and tree nuts. February 2013.
Erb-Duchenne palsy from birth trauma.

My body is trying to kill me.


#9 Ninja

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:29 PM

islandmomma: You have to be beyond assertive! I honestly don't understand why doctors are so hesitant to call it celiac? Malabsorption can be assessed a multitude of ways so... malabsorption + careful observation of symptoms + careful observation of the resolution of symptoms and other benefits + reemergence of symptoms with the re-introduction of gluten....???? :blink:

I am actually very disgusted with all of the rumored and proposed changes to the DSM. Seems like another case of trying to simplify where simplification it isn't feasible... and in fact, quite clearly detrimental. Just because some doctors cannot accurately diagnose doesn't mean that the DSM should adapt and broaden the criteria. As for the plethora of other doctors who possess adequate deductive abilities... money money money. I digress... :wacko:
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:55 AM

If I had a dime for every time they failed to diagnose something or incorrectly diagnosed something or gave me a med that worsened the problem or that I shouldn't have been on to begin with, I'd be rich! Alas it can be really tough to sort everything out when you have more than one medical problem like I do.
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#11 sora

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:13 AM

Thanks for that link Takala.
It's all about the money. :(
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 07:27 PM

If I had a dime for every time they failed to diagnose something or incorrectly diagnosed something or gave me a med that worsened the problem or that I shouldn't have been on to begin with, I'd be rich! Alas it can be really tough to sort everything out when you have more than one medical problem like I do.


My dad first, and now my mom are both dead because of these failures. Turns out my mom had not just ONE (multiple myeloma) but TWO (along with severe myelodysplasia) very rare disorders, and on top of that I'm still trying to get the labs out of her doc that will at least tell me her celiac genetics...she may have had celiac as well, judging from her symptoms and nutritional deficits...I battled her docs for FIVE YEARS to get them to take a closer look at mom...they blew me off.

Now, my daughter-in-law is scared to death of these new diagnostic guidelines. She has Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, and severe scoliosis in her spine such that her hips are thrown cockeyed. She suffers a LOT of pain and WILL be in a wheelchair somewhere in her future...now she finds out that she is going to be labeled with a psychological problem and possibly not treated.

It all makes me sick. And they wonder why we are turning to Doctor Internet for help? :huh:
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#13 sora

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:07 AM

http://www.psycholog...ymptom-disorder

After DSM-5 is published in May 2013, you can be tagged with an SSD diagnosis if you are referred to a mental health professional with at least six months of one or more medical symptoms – either diagnosed or unexplained – and you also display what the professional regards as a "disproportionate or maladaptive concern" for your symptoms and the inability of your doctors to help you. Interestingly, SSD (as defined in the May 2012 draft) can also be applied to caregivers and to parents of sick kids if they are perceived as over-involved in the symptoms of those for whom they have caregiver responsibility.

Bolding is mine.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:29 PM

Thanks for pointing this out, Sora!

Whose definition of "disproportionate or maladaptive concern" are we going to be using? Furthermore, what makes "their" (I'm assuming medical personnel) definitions more accurate and applicable to my life than mine? Their schooling does not catapult them into knowing who I am any faster than a person who has not had the same training. Unfortunately for them, they gotta know me before they know my illness.

I very very very much dislike the hierarchical slant this "revision" of the DSM seems to embody.
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#15 sora

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:11 PM

Here is another article on this topic with some more explanation.

http://www.digitaljo.../article/341589

And another from an Autoimmunity Research Foundation some more explanations.

http://mpkb.org/home...e/psychosomatic
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