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brizzo

Member Since 08 Sep 2006
Offline Last Active Sep 19 2011 05:16 AM
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In Topic: Taking Communion At New Church And Dh

07 August 2008 - 03:40 PM

I'm done ... you win!


I can point you to hundreds of posts where they have "gotten off topic" from gluten. This happens to just one of them. I can't count the amount of times the last post in a 3 page thread has had NOTHING to do with the main topic, or even venture off course a bit. Nothing in this thread is any different. It just happens to be about God. I found it to be a very intriguing thread, and in no way a nuisance on here.

After two years as an advanced community member on this board, I will be canceling my account. I can no longer be a part of a group that only enforces moderation of religion.I will be posting my goodbye to all in one last thread, then I will delete my account in several days, after all have had a chance to read it.

Problem solved...

Brizzo

In Topic: Taking Communion At New Church And Dh

07 August 2008 - 02:16 PM

I am having a mature conversation with adults that I happen to respect. There is no "ugliness" here.

What else is off limits here?....... Abortion, politics, talking bad about communist China!

How childish!

Where is this healthy or right.......

Are you a moderator on this forum?.....

In Topic: Taking Communion At New Church And Dh

07 August 2008 - 02:08 PM

I started this thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And you are telling me what I can and can't say. What kind of forum is this??????????

In Topic: Taking Communion At New Church And Dh

07 August 2008 - 01:30 PM

Purple ,,,,,I STAND CORRECTED!!!!!!!! The term communion IS in the bible, I did not select all versions on my search! But I did find some very interesting things. Out of the 19 versions of the bible that I found...4 use the term communion, 15 use blessing or thanks, in the scripture you referenced.
Here they are
I Corinthians 10:16

message version-the cup of blessing
KJV-communion
NIV-thanksgiving
NASB-cup of blessing
Amplified-blessing
Mew Living-Bless/body/blood
ESV-body/blood
contemporary english version-blessing
New KJV-blessing
New century version-blessing
American Standard-communion
young's literal translation-blessing
darby- blessing/communion-both
holman christian standard-blessing
new international-body/blood/thanks
wycliff version-communion/blessing
worldwide english-blessing
NIV-UK-thanksgiving
Today's NIV-thanksgiving

The greek puts it like this
I cointhians 10:16

to pothrion thV eulogiaV o eulogoumen, ouci koinwnia estin tou aimatoV tou cristou; ton arton on klwmen, ouci koinwnia tou swmatoV tou cristou estin;

The word here is koinwnia or koinonia, pronounced (koy-nohn-ee'-ah). 1 Corinthians 10:16 (KJV) use the English word “communion” to represent the Greek word of koinonia. But most all other Biblical translations use the term "blessing" and do not include the term, communion. KJV reads... "The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?" Any common meal certainly could represent a “sharing.” The Greek term koinonia is viewed as much deeper, however, when the meal is associated with a spiritual purpose. Joining in the Lord’s Supper is uniting oneself with other believers in the body and blood of Christ. To "become one" through His body and Blood in the bread and wine.

The word, koinonia, has such a multitude of meanings that no single English word is adequate to express its depth and richness. It is a derivative of "koinos," the word for common . Koinonia is a complex, rich, and thoroughly fascinating Greek approach to building community or teamwork.

The great Theologian , Thomas Aquinas, was quoted as saying,"the Eucharist is the sacrament of the unity of the Church, which results from the fact that many are one in Christ." This was in the 13th century. WAAAAYYYY before Lutheran, Baptist, Pentecostal, King James Version, New Standard Version, The message.....ect.

A matter of fact, this was considered the actual body and blood of Christ by ALL Christians from about 2-300 AD (the early church) untill about the mid 1500's. This was around the first time that it is ever recorded in history as a debate of being only a remberance meal. This was first debated by Luther and Zwingli.

So if what you say is correct, then that means that for 1500 years, ALL CHRISTIANS WERE WRONG! IF this is what you are indeed saying, that is BOLD!!!!!!

People have been taking bread and wine as body and blood for about 2000 yrs back untill Christ's time. The remembrance meal is only 500 years deep in history. Ask yourself, who changed the Biblical meaning of Koin-a-nia!

I do apologize about the no communion comment. I stand corrected. But I don't think that discredits my above argument.

In Topic: Taking Communion At New Church And Dh

07 August 2008 - 10:52 AM

purple, I always reference back to the original language, Greek and Hebrew. This is where we can find the original word of God. I agree with you and your reference that the Bible can be lost in translation. This is why I referenced the original Greek for you. I agree with you on the idea that things can be lost in translation. I believe this is what has happened in the lords supper.

As far as the word "communion". There is no Greek word in the original text for this. This is what the English language has "learned" to call it. Go to biblegateway.com ; here u can search every version of the Bible known to man in all languages in one search. Type the word communion and search ALL versions of the Bible for this word. It's simply not there. I assure u that I am not changing the word of God. Purple, that was a cheap shot. I always good evidence from the Bible. I though we were having a civilized, mature conversation here. I would never accuse u of being a heretic for having a different opinion.