Cypressmyst

There is just no valid medical science behind this line of thought.

My Dearest Gemini I do beg to differ on this point.

Soy Protein in Chicken Eggs

The above is a link to a study on the Soy Protein being found in the egg yolks of chickens fed a soy based diet. If the Soy Protein can get there then it isn't that big of a stretch to think that the Gluten Protein could get there and I can tell you from personal experience with my own chickens that there is something to this. I feed them a grain/soy free diet and can eat as many of their eggs as I want without getting brain fogged or a stomach ache. I have a limit of 3 store bought (organic free range/cage free) eggs every few days otherwise.

So if chickens are what they eat, and humans are what we eat, then why is it such a stretch to think that plants are what they eat? And if what they are eating is the gluten protein then...

I also had a first hand experience with something similar in my tomato garden this year. I spread jalapeno juice at the base of the plants to keep the bunnies away. It worked wonderfully but to my surprise my cherry tomatoes had a spicey taste to them, at least the first few handfuls that I harvested. It was interesting and quite tasty.  

Let's make sure that we are keeping all of this science and logic based and not just in the realm of wishful thinking.   Doing so does a disservice to the people of this forum and is a good way to keep people unnecessarily sick.

Of course it is possible that the internet and my tastebuds are "all in my head."  

That is wonderful!   I know you have worked really, really hard at it!

Did they check your leaky gut too? Is that healed up or just the villi at this point?

You are an inspiration T.H!  

Testing? It seems to me you have your answer without the $ and pain. Avoid gluten for life. I'd stop eating it if I were you. No need to torture yourself any further.  

I will tell a person once and then don't bring it up again unless they ask. My conscious is clear and I have better things to do then try to convince someone who isn't ready to hear it. But the next time it comes up they will likely be more receptive so I like to think that it does make a difference...even if it isn't immediate.

15 people around me have gone gluten free in the past year. Of those 15 every single one has seen a miraculous improvement in their health and well being. We won't be the minority for very much longer.

Oh for the day when CC is no longer a problem!  

I wonder how many gluten intolerant patients psychiatrists have???

The short answer: Every single one.

Not a single human on this planet can digest this stuff properly.

Just wanted to say that I have ordered here a few times with no problems. The raw almond butter does not upset my stomach though the brazil nuts do a bit. Not sure if it is an issue with me and how messed up my gut is or a CC issue somewhere along the line. But overall I trust them and continue ordering (save for the brazil nuts). Fast and tastey!

Current testing methods miss a lot of people both for Celiac and overall Gluten Syndrome. You can get anti-gliadin tests run or find a doctor who will work with Cyrex labs and get the Ten protein test done through them. I am non-celiac gluten sensitive and had positive anti-gliadin anti-bodies when tested. I am also getting the ten protein and autoimmunity test done to see what other proteins I am reacting to in Wheat (there are 70 total).

The best and cheapest test you can do is to try the diet 100% for one month and see how you feel. IBS and feeling like crap in general are very closely linked to gluten as the culprit as are other auto-immune disorders, diabetes, heart disease and cancer.

Your body is the most sensitive test equipment out there. Give it a go and see how you feel. I'd be willing to bet you will see a vast improvement.

:hugs:

Let us know how it goes and please use us as a resource/support along the way!  

I agree. Try dumping all grains. They all have gluten in them, just a different type then what causes the majority of folks problems. Could be your tolerance to them is finally worn down.

I feel so much better off of them. Man was not meant to eat grains.   Paleo is the way to go.

Well put T.H  

I guess I feel like I don't want newbe's to automatically think they have to do that. You know, get the wrong impression from the more extreme posts on this forum. Everyone should do exactly what you did. Try just reading labels, and if that doesn't work try something else.

I get that you don't want folks to throw up their hands in frustration and run screaming into the night away from gluten-free because of how careful some of us end up having to be. I think we can all agree that, no matter how hard this stuff seems at times, we are all better off for having figured out what a problem Gluten is.

I don't want everyone to think all Celiacs are extreme nut-cases. I feel like I'm fighting for some moderation and common sense sometimes. I apologize if I inadvertainly step on some toes along the way. I will try to be more sensitive (no pun intented) to the more sensitive here.

You may want to be more mindful, given that the opening line in this paragraph (that you tell us you are going to try to be more sensitive in by the by) is pretty offensive.

You don't want people to think that all Celiacs are nut-cases... Why would they think that? Because some of us are more sensitive then others? Would you rather they bury their heads in the sand about this VERY real possibility? Stay sick because it can't possibly be the Reeses since there are no gluten ingredients in it? To perpetuate this notion...THAT would be the true nut-casery.


Just out of curiosity do those of you who aren't so sensitive have any other autoimmune disorders? Heart disease? Cancer? Diabetes? etc... I only ask because I'm starting to understand that just because you aren't having symptoms doesn't mean damage isn't occurring somewhere in the body, small intestine or not.

Or perhaps you have already healed your permeable intestine and that may not be allowing CC through? Have you scoped, are your villi healed?

I am sincerely interested in the bigger picture. Why some of us are sensitive and others aren't. Fascinating topic.


Thanks!

I have been glutened enough times by soaps and hand sanitizers that I know it is possible. The reaction starts within a minute and my hands go no where near my mouth. They also start tingling and feeling funny so I usually know something is up within the first ten seconds or so.

From what I understand Gliadin is the only peptide that has been studied and apparently deemed unable to pass the skin barrier. That is great but understand that there are 70 other proteins that may cause an issue and be able to get through the skin, especially if you have leaky skin barriers (not too different from leaky gut).

My Doctor also sees non DH skin reactions in his patients from time to time. So it happens for sure, we just don't understand the why of it.

They are really starting to take a hard look at distilled alchohol and whether or not it is true that the proteins are broken down. There are 70 some proteins in wheat that can cause an issue. It may be that gliadin is broken down but some people are reacting to Beta gliadin instead or some such.

Your body is the best indicator as Muffy has already figured out.

I think I'll be staying away from all grain based alchohols from now on. Homemade Hard Cider here I come!  

Oh I know how you feel. Believe me. There are days when I want my childhood back. I was sick all the time, had the same doctor for 4 years and he never once bothered to do his job. Just kept saying "eat more fiber." or yelling at me to stop throwing my Metamucil down the drain when my Mom wasn't looking.  

He's dead now or I'd have more than a few choice words for him I can tell you.

MS is caused by gluten. As are all auto-immune disorders as near as I can tell from my many, many months of arduous research. I can only conclude that Doctors don't want to hear it because it isn't a pill and it goes against the mantra of wheat being the staff of life.

Don't give up on the MS community! If you were active go there and spread the word about how they can get well. Tell them your story and help to get them off the drugs and the poison!

Check out this blog by the Gluten Doctors for more on this.

And here she postulates as to why it is so commonly overlooked.

I really think gluten is poisoning all of us, some just take longer to show symptoms than others. Depends on how stressed the body is and your genetics. Cancer and Heart Disease are now being linked to this stuff too.

Congrats on figuring out gluten was killing you. Now for the fun part of watching yourself age backwards.   Pretty nifty.

I know you're only 48, but I really don't think you have enough years left

Mushroom that cracked me up.

The healing process is painful sometimes, depends on your body and how much damage has been done.

That being said it is also possible that you are getting glutened someplace. Are you careful about CC? New pots and pans etc...? Have you checked your hand soaps, shampoos and the like?

Do you work in and around gluten or do you live in a house with a gluten eater?

All these things can cause reactions too.

I go ahead and tell most folks if I see a connection. They all have one symptom or another. Let them think I'm a crackpot I really don't care, but my conscious is clear then. And maybe the next time they hear it it won't be as "new" anymore and they will listen.

Oooh! I really like this thread. It shows the positive side of this whole gluten fiasco.

There are seven people in my life who are gluten free because of me. And that is just in the last few months. Many more folks are starting to open their eyes to this poison.

It is the best feeling in the world to see them getting healthy, to see smiles on their faces and brain fog beginning to clear.  


My Dog and cats would make 3 more. The dog was Grain Free from the start. After switching the cats they are doing great, very little to no shedding! White teeth! They are all on the Raw diet.

No one can digest this stuff! It's not fit for man nor beast!