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#932030 Kraft Products ... I'm Shocked!

Posted by bartfull on 04 October 2014 - 07:44 AM

This forum is here to help newbies. "According to my opinion" we DO need to discuss things, and when those of us with years of experience can ease the minds of newbies about the safety of certain products, we have done our job well.


When other newbies come here and try to scare people away from perfectly safe products, they are being counterproductive.


The bottom line is, no matter what YOU think, Kraft is a great company that is extremely celiac friendly for those who are willing to read labels, and their products are available at reasonable prices.


And I must say, I notice you were "diagnosed" by Enterolab. If you had applied the same stringent demands of your "diagnostician" as you do to food companies, you would have learned that Enterolab is a scam. I'm not saying you don't have celiac, but the "test" you had is not recognized by the medical community nor celiac specialists. There are tests available in which the science is solid and has been peer reviewed. I suggest you do better research in the future because when it comes to one's health, shaky science can be dangerous.

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#931988 Kraft Products ... I'm Shocked!

Posted by bartfull on 03 October 2014 - 03:33 PM

Read the law again. They DON'T HAVE TO TEST TO CLAIM SOMETHING IS gluten-free. If enough people complain about a product labeled gluten-free, the FDA can come in and bust them, but until that happens, companies like that coffee substitute and that beer labeled "gluten removed" can continue to claim gluten-free status. So while the new law is a start, it really hasn't changed much for us. We HAVE to read the labels. EVERY TIME.

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#931986 Kraft Products ... I'm Shocked!

Posted by bartfull on 03 October 2014 - 03:29 PM

If you read about the certification process (google it), you will see that it is very costly. That is why cerified gluten-free products cost the consumer about twice (or more) what regular products cost. If I can read a label from a trusted company and see that it is gluten-free, I will buy that product rather than relying on the certified gluten-free label. If I were too lazy to read labels or to do research about which companies to trust for accuracy in labeling, I couldn't afford to eat! I believe it was on the first page of this thread that the list of companies that are trustworthy (Kraft, Unilever, Con-Agra, etc.) was posted. So you don't even need to do the research because it was already done for you!


So rather than demanding that these good companies spend all that money for certification just so you won't have to bother reading the labels, let those of us who DO read labels and DO know which companies to trust, continue to buy these products at a reasonable price.

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#931982 Kraft Products ... I'm Shocked!

Posted by bartfull on 03 October 2014 - 03:14 PM

I agree with SMRI. If they're so great, they should test and get certified and prove it. They're a big enough company with plenty of money.



Fine! Then don't eat their products.

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#931979 Kraft Products ... I'm Shocked!

Posted by bartfull on 03 October 2014 - 03:06 PM

OK, one more time: Many products claim to be gluten-free but if you read the label you will find out otherwise. For example, I just read a thread about a coffee substitute (Dandy somethingorother) that is labeled gluten-free, but it is made with barley.


That's just like that beer folks have mentioned that claims to be gluten-free because the gluten has been "removed", but it has made every celiac who has tried it sick.


The new law does NOT require that companies test their products so there are still companies using the gluten-free claim where they should not. The only thing that is meaningful is something labeled certified gluten-free, because those things ARE tested.


Which leaves us back where we started. We HAVE to read the labels on everything we eat. If we just go by a claim of gluten-free, we might get glutened anyway. So we read the labels. And Kraft products are one of the few we can trust to name any source of gluten.


Not only that but they ALWAYS let us know if one of their products are made in the same facility or on the same equipment that processes gluten. And believe me, that is a voluntary statement that a LOT of companies don't bother with. Every day I read something written by a "supersensitive" that says they got glutened by something with no gluten ingredients, but they found out when they called the company that the stuff was made on the same equipment that processes wheat.


With Kraft, you never have to call the company because it will say so on the label.


Honestly...Kraft is about the most trustworthy company out there for a celiac. Honestly.

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#931969 Kraft Products ... I'm Shocked!

Posted by bartfull on 03 October 2014 - 01:21 PM

SMRI, you've been told and it has been explained to you over and over again. Kraft products are safe. They are one of the best companies out there when it comes to labeling for gluten.


For example, the law says if a product contains wheat it must be on the ingredients label. There is no such law for barley, but Krafte WILL tell us if for example there is malt from BARLEY. Other companies might just say malt and it is up to US to know that the malt they contain is PROBABLY from barley.


If you want to let the CYA statement deter you from eating some of the safest foods on the market, fine. It's your loss. But you really shouldn't trash a company that has been so celiac friendly for years, long before the new law took effect. Kraft is one of the good guys. We "old timers" appreciate them and have complete confidence in them. ALL of us who have told you this have been eating Kraft products for years and have NEVER been glutened by them.


So please, if you don't want to eat Kraft, fine. But you are possibly scaring off some newbies who are having enough of a hard time adjusting to the diet. If they listen to us "old timers" they will know that if it is a Kraft product, they can trust what the label says. That will make their life easier. We are here to help make their lives easier, not to scare them with unfounded accusations.



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#931940 Recovery Happens. Believe It!

Posted by bartfull on 03 October 2014 - 07:46 AM

:D  :D  :D


Squirming, you have been one of the most informed and helpful people here on the board. You may never know how many people you have helped, but they know. You deserve perfect health and it's so good to see you well on the way. :wub: (((((HUGS))))) :wub:

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#931939 Kraft Products ... I'm Shocked!

Posted by bartfull on 03 October 2014 - 07:39 AM

If you read the labels on products you will be safe. That's the bottom line. Wheat in some cheeses? The label will say so. If it does, don't eat it.


And for those of you who insist Kraft products are not safe, just don't buy them. That will leave more for those of us who know better. And by the way, I'm one of those "old timers" who has been glutened exactly ONCE in three and a half years. (And it certainly wasn't by cheese, nor a Kraft product.)

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#931711 Kraft Products ... I'm Shocked!

Posted by bartfull on 30 September 2014 - 03:48 PM

That is a CYA statement. They do it because the lawyers tell them to. In almost three and a half years on this diet I have never, NEVER been glutened by any Kraft product and I trust them completely.

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#931538 How Do You Know You Are gluten-free?

Posted by bartfull on 28 September 2014 - 09:31 AM

You're impatient. We all were. We want to feel better right now. But it usually doesn't happen that way.


It takes a while to heal. And giving up dairy for one week probably isn't enough. Keep a food diary. Try to stick to whole foods only.


And give it time.

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#931475 Did You Diagnose Yourself?

Posted by bartfull on 27 September 2014 - 03:19 PM

My Mom also had celiac. She was diagnosed back in the 1980's. So when I started having problems I knew. I was in denial for a long time but when my psoriasis got so bad that I couldn't play guitar anymore (I run a music store!) I knew I had better do something. With no insurance I decided to skip testing and just went gluten-free. Like Mom, my psoriasis cleared up. My digestive issues (which were mild) cleared up. My insomnia which had been with me all my life cleared up. Lots of other little problems that I never would have associated with celiac cleared up.


Life is good! :D

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#931269 Dh Sometimes Look Like Poison Ivy?

Posted by bartfull on 24 September 2014 - 02:39 PM

DH isn't SIMILAR to celiac, it IS celiac. It's just that DH manifests in the skin rather than the gut. Quite a few folks with DH have no gut symptoms, although some do. Usually if they do, those gut symptoms are milder.


The way to know for sure is to see a dermatologist and have a biopsy of CLEAR skin near an ACTIVE lesion. Read as much as you can in the DH section here. There are some very smart and experienced folks there. Squirming Itch and PricklyPear in particular.

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#930612 Loves To Travel, Are You Ok?

Posted by bartfull on 13 September 2014 - 11:36 AM

I just saw this on the news: http://hosted.ap.org...-09-13-12-46-18


Let us know you're OK.

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#930385 Is There A Program That Weeds Out The Bad Stuff

Posted by bartfull on 11 September 2014 - 09:57 AM

You've already got one. It's called your brain, and the connection is your eyes. :lol:


Seriously, did you read Karen's post? You can go into a store and pick up two identical packages of the same product, but if one came in last week's shipment and the other in this week's, the ingredients might be different. Companies change their "recipes" all the time, depending on price and availability of ingredients. That's why it is vital that we read the ingredients on every package, every time.

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#930224 Goodbye

Posted by bartfull on 10 September 2014 - 07:38 AM

So sorry to hear that. But before you go you should know that untreated celiac can lead to lots of other nasties, from RA to cancer. It might just be (given your family history) that you ALSO have celiac, and perhaps a gluten-free diet will help in your fight with this other problem. Or at least make you feel a little better. (((((HUGS)))))

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