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When referring to a new super strain of flu. I've always wondered are they talking to me? Sadly I get sick all the time mostly from a train carriage full of people :(

Should I get the flu vaccine? It's free in Australia.

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If you get the flu vaccine make sure you know what is in it.  I saw on the website of the Center for Disease Control http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm Thimerosal (mercury) is in it..  They also list fermeldahyde as a possible ingredient in vaccines.    They have a list of each specific vaccine and its contents. 

 

I don't get vaccines  I read the label and consider whether this is for my best health or not.  Just as I would anything I put into my mouth...  I take my health seriously and do follow a careful diet, garden, and exercise. 

 

. You can find literature with each vaccination box.  You Physician should be able to give the list to you as you consider what is in the vaccine.  You may find some surprises if you look carefully into what each ingredient is.

 

 

I found evidence .on the center for Disease Control that abortion materials are  in some vaccines.  I copied the ingredients for Adenovirus. PSAWYER just pointed out that this is not the flu.It is an example of the ingredients in one vaccine:  The adenovirus vaccine.

 

 

sucrose, D-mannose, D-fructose, dextrose, potassium phosphate, plasdone C, anhydrous lactose, micro crystalline cellulose, polacrilin potassium, magnesium stearate, cellulose acetate phthalate, alcohol, acetone, castor oil, FD&C Yellow #6 aluminum lake dye, human serum albumin, fetal bovine serum, sodium bicarbonate, human-diploid fibroblast cell cultures (WI-38), Dulbecco’s Modified Eagle’s Medium

To clarify it is the human-dipoid  cell cultures which I believe are from an aborted fetus.  I have discussed this with a few medical doctors and they did not deny it.

 

Incase you need a to find out what a human diploid cell is I went here to find out about it.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC377233/?page=1  I believe these cells are also called stem cells.

 

I am sorry that I did not fully support this at first.  My wording, I thought, was stronger than it should have been.  I would not have picked this fight here on the forum, but forgot that it was not common knowledge.  I hope that you will forgive this.  I also hope that I have fully supported my position with credible sources.

 

I previously said that there is human ingredients in the vaccine, but I meant some vaccines and now have revised it to be more correct.   I am sorry it was necessary to make this change but my edits have been intended to make the information that I shared more accurate.  I cannot share which vaccines are flu, because I do not know.  I did, however, refer to the CDC for all to check the ingredients.

 

I am perfectly willing to rewrite this with just the link to read the lists of ingredients and a caution to do so if that will be acceptable.  I hesitate to do it now, because some have replied to it and I cannot change those.

 

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If you get the flu vaccine make sure you know what is in it.  I don't get them because they put in mercury, fermeldahide, and materials derived from abortions.  I take my health seriously and do follow a careful diet, garden, and exercise.  One can find out what they contain by visiting (USA) the Center for Disease Control Website.

Can you post a link for this, please?

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If you are continueing to get glutened, which is the impression I got from another of your posts, your body is going to be so busy fighting the gluten that it won't be able to fight off other stuff.  I have worked in schools and with the public for years and I used to catch everything that was going around pre gluten free but very rarely get ill now. That may off course not be the case for you.

Do what you can to prevent picking up these 'bugs'. Wash your hands a lot and keep them away from your face as much as you can. Hopefully your body will be better able to fight off communicable illnesses once it has healed from gluten.

As far as getting a flu shot talk to your doctor about any concerns you have and then make a decision on whether or not to get one.

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If you are continueing to get glutened, which is the impression I got from another of your posts, your body is going to be so busy fighting the gluten that it won't be able to fight off other stuff.  I have worked in schools and with the public for years and I used to catch everything that was going around pre gluten free but very rarely get ill now. That may off course not be the case for you.

Do what you can to prevent picking up these 'bugs'. Wash your hands a lot and keep them away from your face as much as you can. Hopefully your body will be better able to fight off communicable illnesses once it has healed from gluten.

As far as getting a flu shot talk to your doctor about any concerns you have and then make a decision on whether or not to get one.

 

Yeah I am battling never getting Gluten-Free for more than 4 days at the moment so yeah my body is busy battling gluten. I think it's probably wise I get it!

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I won't get into an argument here on the intelligence of mercury in vaccines, but with one exception it is only in multidose vials as a preservative and can be easily avoided by simply requesting a prefilled syringe injection. As for other preservatives, anyone can contact doctors and pharmacies in their area and see which brand is available and if it is prefilled or not and then go look up the ingredients.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/vaccines.htm

 

Only one company uses mammalian cells to make their flu shots, and they use animal cells. Still, it is quite frankly a huge leap forward to have the shot available to people with egg allergies. I did also see that there is a new insect based one that was approved just this year.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/cell-based.htm

http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/21/fda-approves-new-type-of-flu-shot/

 

The shots are safe for us and soon should be more readily available for people with egg allergies also. This is good news. Many of us have been sick for a long time and are frankly sick of being sick. If a simple shot can save me from the flu, I'll do it.

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Yeah I am battling never getting Gluten-Free for more than 4 days at the moment so yeah my body is busy battling gluten. I think it's probably wise I get it!

It sounds like you are one of us for whom gluten is addictive. You have to beat this! Your life and quality of life depend on it. It is hard and you may go through a form of withdrawl. We are here to help in any way we can. You can do it!

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If you get the flu vaccine make sure you know what is in it.  I don't get them because they put in mercury, fermeldahide, and materials derived from abortions.  I take my health seriously and do follow a careful diet, garden, and exercise.  One can find out what they contain by visiting (USA) the Center for Disease Control Website.

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Provide evidence to support this allegation, or withdraw it. Rule 5.

Thank you, I couldn't type, my jaw fell onto the keyboard.

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Pre-existing conditions: Illness disease or treatment that may result in danger from taking the flu vaccine. This changes depending on which vaccine you receive. Go to: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/should-not-vacc.htm and scroll down for each vaccine.

If you have a milder condition, discuss with you doctor the risks of getting vaccinated and weigh those with the risks of getting sick. 36,000 people die each year from the flu.  

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Since going on the gluten-free diet, I find that I don't get AS sick as I used to.  I still seem to catch colds but I don't end up with fevers for days on end or secondary bronchitis or sinus infections. It could just be a coincidence that I don't get as sick now that I'm gluten-free, but I doubt it.

 

If you are having a tough time staying gluten-free, and have found the flu shot works for you in the past, I would get it. It's always good to have that healthy edge.

 

I am one of those people who tends to get sick for a week every time I get the flu shot so I gave up on them; I actually seemed to get sick less when I skip the shot. Instead I use homeopathy flu "vaccines". It works for me, whether it is the placebo affect or not, but I know it's not for everyone.

 

Good luck, and best wishes getting the gluten out of your life.

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Can you post a link for this, please?

.  Sorry, I forgot that this wasn't common knowledge, I have discussed it with several doctors and a person that used to work in a vaccine lab.  Please see my amended post for a link to the Center for Disease Controls ingredients of vaccines lists.  .

 

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm  You can find what ingredients are in these vaccines by visiting this sight.  Look for a list which shows the specifics for each vaccine.  Also, they have a general list of some of the ingredients.

 

 

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First, there is not one "flu shot". It varies from one year to the next depending on which strains of flu are going around. Some years more than one shot is needed if a strain is recognized later than usual.

Then, some vaccines use live virus weakened to a point that can not cause sickness but will cause the body to produce antibodies. Other vaccines do not use live virus. 

Some vaccines are not injections, but tablets or nasal sprays.

Further, people with egg allergy can not take some vaccines but eggs are not used in all vaccines.

All these things are listed on package inserts and can be found on several websites by searching "influenza vaccine package insert".

If anyone decides not to get the flu vaccine, they should avoid contact with people who could be put in danger by the spread of the flu. Unvaccinated persons may be carriers, causing illness or death in "at risk" populations, small children, the elderly, pregnant women, people with compromised immune systems and chronic illnesses to name a few. 

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Provide evidence to support this allegation, or withdraw it. Rule 5.

I failed to support this well at first.  I was rather strong for the audience.  Please forgive this and I did post some links now for people to look into the ingredients for themselves.

 

Get healthy, stay healthy.

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If you get the flu vaccine make sure you know what is in it.  I saw on the website of the Center for Disease Control http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm Thimerosal (mercury) is in it..  They also list fermeldahyde as a possible ingredient in vaccines.    They have a list of each specific vaccine and its contents. 

 

I don't get vaccines  I read the label and consider whether this is for my best health or not.  Just as I would anything I put into my mouth...  I take my health seriously and do follow a careful diet, garden, and exercise. 

 

. You can find literature with each vaccination box.  You Physician should be able to give the list to you as you consider what is in the vaccine.  You may find some surprises if you look carefully into what each ingredient is.

 

 

I found evidence .on the center for Disease Control that abortion materials in the vaccine.  I copied the ingredients for Adenovirus. 

 

 

sucrose, D-mannose, D-fructose, dextrose, potassium phosphate, plasdone C, anhydrous lactose, micro crystalline cellulose, polacrilin potassium, magnesium stearate, cellulose acetate phthalate, alcohol, acetone, castor oil, FD&C Yellow #6 aluminum lake dye, human serum albumin, fetal bovine serum, sodium bicarbonate, human-diploid fibroblast cell cultures (WI-38), Dulbecco’s Modified Eagle’s Medium

To clarify it is the human-dipoid  cell cultures which I believe are from an aborted fetus.  I have discussed this with a few medical doctors and they did not deny it.

 

Incase you need a to find out what a human diploid cell is I went here to find out about it.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC377233/?page=1  I believe these cells are also called stem cells.

 

I am sorry that I did not fully support this at first.  My wording, I thought, was stronger than it should have been.  I would not have picked this fight here on the forum, but forgot that it was not common knowledge.  I hope that you will forgive this.  I also hope that I have fully supported my position with credible sources.

That is interesting about the Adenovirus vaccine, except that the Adenovirus vaccine is NOT a flu vaccine.

 

On that ingredients page there are six Influenza (flu) vaccines listed, none of which contain the materials in question.

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That is interesting about the Adenovirus vaccine, except that the Adenovirus vaccine is NOT a flu vaccine.

 

On that ingredients page there are six Influenza (flu) vaccines listed, none of which contain the materials in question.

I did look up adenovirus and I thought that it was the flu.  I did express it that I believed it was the flu..  My first intent was to discuss what I do about vaccinations in general and other vaccines have this ingredient.  I hadn't considered the flu vaccine in particular since I am not familiar with it having rejected all vaccines.  The question which I thought was asked was if a certain person should get the flu vaccine.  I thought I would voice an opinion for no.  It would had been better if I just encouraged the person to read the ingredients first as I have done in the past..

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Your statement refers to childhood immunizations, measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis A and polio for which another method has yet to be found and the use of two (2) cultures from the 1960-70's still exist. Please understand, these are the only two cultures being used. No abortions are being used to harvest cells, no fibroblasts are being created to harvest cells. No research is being funded to allow harvest of aborted cells or to allow cells created for harvest.

Regarding the two cultures from forty years ago, the statement of position most researched and thoughtful comes from the Vatican:

 http://www.immunize.org/concerns/vaticandocument.htm

Please read this entire article with as much thoughtfulness as was given to it's production. Then please let us know your thoughts. Should we stop protecting against deadly childhood diseases?

 

Again, none of this has to do with yearly influenza vaccines.

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Straying back to Unhappy Coeliacs question for a bit.  UC, if you get sick often maybe it's time you changed your diet.  Half way measures don't work for the gluten-free diet.  You need to make a serious commitment to the gluten-free diet and get the gluten out of your body.  Then your immune system can focus it's efforts on fighting germs and other nasties instead of fighting itself.  That frees up antibodies to do something helpful for you instead of hurting you.  Making yourself sick on purpose is not helpful to your health.  It is not hard to stick to the gluten-free diet if you keep at it for a while.  It gets easier as your habits and expectations adjust.  If you want to get a flu shot that's ok.  But it won't change the fact that you are making yourself sick by consuming gluten on a regular basis.  Personally I don't get flu shots and I rarely get the flu.  Just because you haven't stuck to the gluten-free diet so far doesn't mean you can't do it now.  You can do it, if you decide to.  But that's your choice to make.  I do know that I am much happier and healthier on the gluten-free diet than I was eating gluten.  You may be surprised by how much improvement you can get by sticking to it for 6 months 100%.  Some improvements take time to happen.  But they can be very worthwhile.

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To clarify it is the human-dipoid  cell cultures which I believe are from an aborted fetus.  I have discussed this with a few medical doctors and they did not deny it.

 

Incase you need a to find out what a human diploid cell is I went here to find out about it.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC377233/?page=1  I believe these cells are also called stem cells.

 

 

Your claims that "flu vaccines are made from aborted fetuses" is absurd and unfounded.

 

Human stem cells are not always derived from "aborted fetuses". 

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the OP has received solid advice about flu vaccines being safe for celiacs.

That's enough for a celiac to make a decision about what to do.

 

For the record, I do not get one because my arm swells up like a balloon and is sore for a week.

I taught for 22 years (schools are a breeding ground for this thing) and never contracted the flu. Never.

 

My hubs got the shot this year (he is not a celiac, but he is healthy and is gluten free) and he got the flu anyway.

and then, he gave it to me...

 

soo? what??.

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If you get the flu vaccine make sure you know what is in it.  I saw on the website of the Center for Disease Control http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm Thimerosal (mercury) is in it..  They also list fermeldahyde as a possible ingredient in vaccines.    They have a list of each specific vaccine and its contents. 

 

I don't get vaccines  I read the label and consider whether this is for my best health or not.  Just as I would anything I put into my mouth...  I take my health seriously and do follow a careful diet, garden, and exercise. 

 

. You can find literature with each vaccination box.  You Physician should be able to give the list to you as you consider what is in the vaccine.  You may find some surprises if you look carefully into what each ingredient is.

 

 

I found evidence .on the center for Disease Control that abortion materials are  in some vaccines.  I copied the ingredients for Adenovirus. PSAWYER just pointed out that this is not the flu.It is an example of the ingredients in one vaccine:  The adenovirus vaccine.

 

 

sucrose, D-mannose, D-fructose, dextrose, potassium phosphate, plasdone C, anhydrous lactose, micro crystalline cellulose, polacrilin potassium, magnesium stearate, cellulose acetate phthalate, alcohol, acetone, castor oil, FD&C Yellow #6 aluminum lake dye, human serum albumin, fetal bovine serum, sodium bicarbonate, human-diploid fibroblast cell cultures (WI-38), Dulbecco’s Modified Eagle’s Medium

To clarify it is the human-dipoid  cell cultures which I believe are from an aborted fetus.  I have discussed this with a few medical doctors and they did not deny it.

 

Incase you need a to find out what a human diploid cell is I went here to find out about it.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC377233/?page=1  I believe these cells are also called stem cells.

 

I am sorry that I did not fully support this at first.  My wording, I thought, was stronger than it should have been.  I would not have picked this fight here on the forum, but forgot that it was not common knowledge.  I hope that you will forgive this.  I also hope that I have fully supported my position with credible sources.

 

I previously said that there is human ingredients in the vaccine, but I meant some vaccines and now have revised it to be more correct.   I am sorry it was necessary to make this change but my edits have been intended to make the information that I shared more accurate.  I cannot share which vaccines are flu, because I do not know.  I did, however, refer to the CDC for all to check the ingredients.

 

I am perfectly willing to rewrite this with just the link to read the lists of ingredients and a caution to do so if that will be acceptable.  I hesitate to do it now, because some have replied to it and I cannot change those.

 

Diana

I again quote post #2. It has been edited many times, but the edit window is now closed, and this will be the final version. Nevertheless, I am capturing it (again).

The source cited at the CDC lists 51 vaccines. Of those, six (6) are for Influenza (flu). None of those six contain material from human cells.

Material cultured from human stem cells is used to produce vaccines for Hepatitis-A and Rubella (German measles). Viruses must be grown on live cells, and so far research has not found an alternative host for these two viruses.

The Adenovirus vaccine was mentioned. It is not related to flu, and is not in general use, but is made by one manufacturer under contract to the US Department of Defense. If you are in the US military, it may be of concern to you.

To sum up, and end this discussion:

With regard to the original question, there is no reason for someone with celiac disease to avoid the flu vaccine because of celiac disease.

The flu vaccine does not contain material derived from human stem cells.

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      I avoid most stuff like cabbage, broccoli in all but the smallest amounts (1 leaf or 2-4 sprigs) and cook til mush. I found higher density vitamin greens to be best to avoid wasting the room I had for food, stuff like spinach, kale, butter leaf, romaine all have much higher ratios of vitamin A and K then other greens with less sugar, starches, carbs. So you can cram more in there.

      Soups, during flares, I find using meat and herbs to flavor them best, I got a Pots de Herb blend that is nice from The Spice House, tested gluten free for me. But gentle herbs instead of spices...think of Italian and french cuisines. Bit of oregano, basil, rosemary, thyme, etc. Avoiding peppers, spices, and going very limited to no garlic and onions. Funny fact they make bonito flakes (dried fish) like Eden Foods, that makes a good fish flavoring if you boil them into water. Not now but later you can do this with coconut secret aminos,  wakame, or kambu for a asian fish stock for soups.

      I would seriously suggest trying eggs...they have been my savoir for flares, I just cook them soft with almond milk in them in a microwave so they are moist...and soft.

      I treat myself about once a month with either canned tuna, salmon, or millers crab meat (the real stuff), I found the crab easiest to digest and a super strong flavor in soups or with eggs.

      But again step back and say "I will try this for the first week" "Try this the second week" etc. Step by step on how you will try stuff, I know you want to jump to it and try to see what all you can eat but you have to space it and take it every few days for your testing of yourself to be accurate.

      Simple foods, the fewer ingredients the better, give yourself a low single digit number and stick to it so you do not get overwhelmed.
    • I think turkey would be great!  I am sort of thinking you might just want to do a sort of bland diet - as if you were getting over the stomach virus.  So a simple chicken soup with some cooked veggies like carrots and green beans or peas - you can then put it over rice or rice noodles if you want.  I like your idea of staying away from dairy, etc.  You can do that for a few weeks.   Grill the chicken on the grill or cook with a little olive oil in a pan - you can get a nice brown on the outside that adds a lot of flavor.  then put  little water in the pan and boil it and scrape the bottom and dump that in with the rice or veggies that are cooking.  You can throw that chicken in your soup/ rice.  If you cook fresh spinach in things - it can add a lot of spinach flavor.   I think cooked fruits or veggies are usually the easiest to digest.  But really keep it to a few things for a couple of weeks then add then when you are feeling a bit better.
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