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Is It Possible To Get Gluten From The Dishwasher?

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Sounds ok to me W8n4dave! :)

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No worries sweetie , it wasn't you .... I also live in a home where there is gluten eaters. I wash the dishes in the same sink. But I guess some want to "Let it a rest" Or want me to "Let it a rest" So I will say no more.  

 

 

Sorry, but I was only doing my job as a moderator to control the discussion on the thread. Rarely do I do such a thing (as you may have noticed, I am almost always among the first ones to respond to a newbie's cry for help)

Haven't I answered many of your questions, hon?

 

and I in no way was talking about you taking a rest or no longer posting.No need for you to get mad and leave.

 

I meant it as "let's give the topic a rest " because we have discussed it already many times and the answer was given and to keep repeating it and to speculate about it as being harmful

to celiacs in any way serves no purpose.

 

I am sorry if that offended you because I meant nothing personal. I think perhaps you misunderstood

what I meant, but if so, I apologize if It hurt your feelings.

 

I'd also like to add that when someone comments without reading all the posts on a lengthy thread, he or she may not see all the exchanges and may leap to a conclusion, which is often unfair.

 

The discussion about whether a plate would be harmful because of gluten in a dishwasher did in fact become an issue about cleanliness in general.

 

So, please guys--read everything before posting as it can sometimes cause confusion and misunderstandings.

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I guess I took it as a direct hit. because it was quoted in my post. I don't mean to make a big deal out of it. I am over it. I will just watch what I say from now on. I have learned alot in this forum, I have considered quitting but have reconsidered and just decided to quit and get over it! Keep learning and doing the best I can. Thats what life is all about right? And I do not think dish washers are perfect!! but neither am I :) We can all be friends here no matter what our opinion right? 

Are we friends? :)

You are good hun. 

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Sorry, but I was only doing my job as a moderator to control the discussion on the thread. Rarely do I do such a thing (as you may have noticed, I am almost always among the first ones to respond to a newbie's cry for help)

Haven't I answered many of your questions, hon?

 

and I in no way was talking about you taking a rest or no longer posting.No need for you to get mad and leave.

 

I meant it as "let's give the topic a rest " because we have discussed it already many times and the answer was given and to keep repeating it and to speculate about it as being harmful

to celiacs in any way serves no purpose.

 

I am sorry if that offended you because I meant nothing personal. I think perhaps you misunderstood

what I meant, but if so, I apologize if It hurt your feelings.

 

I'd also like to add that when someone comments without reading all the posts on a lengthy thread, he or she may not see all the exchanges and may leap to a conclusion, which is often unfair.

 

The discussion about whether a plate would be harmful because of gluten in a dishwasher did in fact become an issue about cleanliness in general.

 

So, please guys--read everything before posting as it can sometimes cause confusion and misunderstandings.

I understand every thread has to be monitored but honestly I didn't see where it was getting out of hand.  BTW I am not the one that said they were mad n is leaving.  

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Sorry, but I was only doing my job as a moderator to control the discussion on the thread. Rarely do I do such a thing (as you may have noticed, I am almost always among the first ones to respond to a newbie's cry for help)

Haven't I answered many of your questions, hon?

 

and I in no way was talking about you taking a rest or no longer posting.No need for you to get mad and leave.

 

I meant it as "let's give the topic a rest " because we have discussed it already many times and the answer was given and to keep repeating it and to speculate about it as being harmful

to celiacs in any way serves no purpose.

 

I am sorry if that offended you because I meant nothing personal. I think perhaps you misunderstood

what I meant, but if so, I apologize if It hurt your feelings.

 

I'd also like to add that when someone comments without reading all the posts on a lengthy thread, he or she may not see all the exchanges and may leap to a conclusion, which is often unfair.

 

The discussion about whether a plate would be harmful because of gluten in a dishwasher did in fact become an issue about cleanliness in general.

 

So, please guys--read everything before posting as it can sometimes cause confusion and misunderstandings.

Not a lengthily thread. I have read it since. I was not out of line, I did not deserve that. You are a mod. I respect you. But not that... It was not out of hand ....  maby you should consider reading it again .... Please :) And Thank you 

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Not a lengthily thread. I have read it since. I was not out of line, I did not deserve that. You are a mod. I respect you. But not that... It was not out of hand ....  maby you should consider reading it again .... Please :) And Thank you 

what is your deal.

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I thought we all agreed that its gross if food - gluten or not- is stuck to dishes and forks?  Most people have no problems using a dishwasher. 

 

If the thought of gluten and non-gluten dishes bathing together offends your sensibilities, wash them separately, use paper plates, eat out of the pot, wash separately, get the dog to clean the gluten plates first (dog saliva is a great dissolver of food. Got grape juice off of yellow cotton with it), etc.

 

Let's lighten up.  I refuse to fight about cleaning!

 

 

Me doing dishes.  Notice the red sponge for gluten-free food cleanup?

 

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I thought we all agreed that its gross if food - gluten or not- is stuck to dishes and forks?  Most people have no problems using a dishwasher. 

 

If the thought of gluten and non-gluten dishes bathing together offends your sensibilities, wash them separately, use paper plates, eat out of the pot, wash separately, get the dog to clean the gluten plates first (dog saliva is a great dissolver of food. Got grape juice off of yellow cotton with it), etc.

 

Let's lighten up.  I refuse to fight about cleaning!

 

 

Me doing dishes.  Notice the red sponge for gluten-free food cleanup?

 

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Ohhh mama!   Can you come to my house to clean dishes?  :)

 

Really, need help.  The doggies all died years ago and the dishwasher is broke.  Cat just doesn't get them as clean as they otter be.  :)

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Yo DC, you otter give your poor cat a rest.  :wub:

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This is all new to me. Can someone tell me why my dishwasher would not sanitize my cooking utensils? I don't understand why it would be okay for my eating utensils and not cooking. Also I am a diabetic and as I go through this detox stage I'm craving sugar....I think. I'm not sure if its an emotional crutch because this has been a very emotional process for me

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This is all new to me. Can someone tell me why my dishwasher would not sanitize my cooking utensils? I don't understand why it would be okay for my eating utensils and not cooking. Also I am a diabetic and as I go through this detox stage I'm craving sugar....I think. I'm not sure if its an emotional crutch because this has been a very emotional process for me

A few things don't clean well and might have gluten in the cracks. Things like a colander that it is hard to clean each little hole or a wooden spoon which is full of cracks that can hide gluten or germs. If your pots and spoons, etc can clean well...use them.

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Really, need help.  The doggies all died years ago and the dishwasher is broke.  Cat just doesn't get them as clean as they otter be.  :)

At least your cat tries. My won't even lick a plate with chicken or steak on it. She still begs while I cook though, go figure.

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Can someone tell me why my dishwasher would not sanitize my cooking utensils?

The dishwasher will certainly sanitize your utensils, due to the heat. But that means killing microorganisms. Gluten can not be killed, and sanitizing has no effect on it. Gluten must be physically removed as part of the washing process. This is why porous or scratched surfaces are a concern.

It is common for people new to the process to think that alcohol or other sanitizers will neutralize gluten, but that is not the case.

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Yo DC, you otter give your poor cat a rest.  :wub:

 

Ha ha, she gets plenty of rest!  :)

 

At least your cat tries. My won't even lick a plate with chicken or steak on it. She still begs while I cook though, go figure.

 

Same here Raven, she is a processed food only cat.  Won't hardly touch anything besides store bought cat-food.  But the silly cat still seems to think everything I eat is a cat treat of some kind.  Curiosity I guess.

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My German Pinscher and part-time (neighbor's) dog are ready and willing to go help out anyone with finicky cats.

 

Regrettably, neither one of the doggies are very friendly toward cats. 

 

They shovel up the left overs though, even cabbage.  Heidi Ho loves anything with tomato in it.  Arnold will eat positively anything except corn chips.  He vacuums my kitchen floor with his nose every time he pops over.

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I hate to bump an older thread, but I made an account specifically after seeing this post.

I understand the issue of gluten in the dishwasher is a cleanliness issue, so I must share this. I recently used my mom's dishwasher bc my sink was leaking. My house is strictly gluten-free, hers is nowhere near it. The only change that could have triggered my reaction this week was dishes washed in her washer. It is an OLD machine and I forgot to check or rinse the plates before putting them away. I know this must be how I was glutened. I examined a plate on the bottom of the stack and sure enough, there was a thin patch of grime hidden by the design on the plate! The hot water and high pressure just didn't cut it this time.

And just bc you cannot see smudges on your plates doesn't mean they aren't there :( obviously that sounds paranoid, but paranoia is sometimes justified. This could have been avoided if I'd been more careful. I'm extremely, severely sensitive and am still discovering just how serious this is. I don't expect many people will have the issue I've had.. but if you're reacting and you've examined all other possible contaminants, and you still share a dish washer, it is certainly something to consider!

Is there an introductions sub forum?

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I hate to bump an older thread, but I made an account specifically after seeing this post.

I understand the issue of gluten in the dishwasher is a cleanliness issue, so I must share this. I recently used my mom's dishwasher bc my sink was leaking. My house is strictly gluten-free, hers is nowhere near it. The only change that could have triggered my reaction this week was dishes washed in her washer. It is an OLD machine and I forgot to check or rinse the plates before putting them away. I know this must be how I was glutened. I examined a plate on the bottom of the stack and sure enough, there was a thin patch of grime hidden by the design on the plate! The hot water and high pressure just didn't cut it this time.

And just bc you cannot see smudges on your plates doesn't mean they aren't there :( obviously that sounds paranoid, but paranoia is sometimes justified. This could have been avoided if I'd been more careful. I'm extremely, severely sensitive and am still discovering just how serious this is. I don't expect many people will have the issue I've had.. but if you're reacting and you've examined all other possible contaminants, and you still share a dish washer, it is certainly something to consider!

Is there an introductions sub forum?

 

I am also one of the more sensitive ones and I agree with your concerns.  It is difficult to make the less sensitive not obsess over unimportant things while at the same time letting the more sensitive know where their reactions might be coming from.  I spent the first couple of years figuring out all these things.

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Actually, alcohol DOES denature the protein bonds in gluten. 

my dishwasher runs with water lolz  :D  although alcohol is always fun ;)

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Actually, alcohol DOES denature the protein bonds in gluten. 

It has some effect, but it is not enough. After all, if alcohol completely denatured gluten, we could all drink beer.  :o

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It has some effect, but it is not enough. After all, if alcohol completely denatured gluten, we could all drink beer.  :o

 

:lol: Good one Peter.  I shall pray to the Beer gods to make it so...

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Beer contains alcohol/it is not pure alcohol.  IIRC, depending on the beer, the alcohol content can be from 2% to 12%.

 

The alcohol I am speaking of would be pure alcohol.  Rubbing alcohol will denature gluten on cookware.

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You miss my point. Gliadin is soluble in alcohol. It does not break down or become denatured, no matter how pure the alcohol. When the alcohol evaporates, the intact gliadin is still there. If you have proof that this is not true, please provide your evidence for us all to see.

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From my understanding, the alcohol does denature the bonds in the peptides.  I do not remember where I learned that, so I cannot state any source, sorry.

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    • I figured I'd give an update. Shortly after my last post I had a bad sinus infection but was only given prednisone which only made the congestion in my nose go away and some sinus pressure. I continued to feel worse with it pretty much developing into Bronchitis. I called the dr about it and they phone in a z-pac. I thought "well if I have SIBO" which I still wasn't sure of...." this will alleviate the off and on symptoms I had of mushy stools and icky feeling stomach. I would get that feeling whenever I had dairy for the last 9 yrs or so. Sure enough after I was done I felt like my old self. I did take probiotics while I was on the zpac which I hadn't taken for months since it only made things worse.  Everything finally returned to what it was before all this started. I felt so much better and "normal". I tried some aged cheese, brown rice and refried beans over the course of a couple weeks and was able to have those with absolutely no issues. For the next 1.5 months or so I felt great and better than before. I continued to take the probiotics twice a day as I did before and one day had a little stomach issue with some cramping. I then had some trail mix which had soy in it but I didn't really give it much thought and the next day my stomach was hurting pretty bad and worse than before it seemed. This lasted off and on for a week. Now the mushiness has returned and seems to be constant for the last week along with cramping. I'm guessing that the zpac killed off whatever it was I had...SIBO or Candida and now I've relapsed? Not sure but I'm going to call the doctor tomorrow to see if I can get some relief. I've also had some gas return as well.  I stopped taking the pribiotics thinking maybe that's making things bad again too since I wasn't on them before after I stopped gluten and soy and I didnt have this as much as I have now. I do take Gentian with Pepsin when I have protein and that seems to help as I don't have the gas I had way back.  It's so disheartening because I thought I figured out what was going on
    • I was diagnosed almost 3 years ago. I never had any of the usual problems. I had anemia and while trying to find what that was from, my GI found the celiac. I immediately started a gluten free diet, but it has always been a struggle. I am not the healthiest eater and would always seem to get the processed gluten-free items. I am not much for veggies and fruit or fish. So, for the last year it has been very difficult, financially and mentally for me to stick to it, but I did. I hated how I always had to have "special" food at family gatherings. I asked my GI several times what would happen if I stopped. He advised against it of course, but recently I just felt like my quality of life was so diminished. I already have Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Hashimotos, Arthritis, Pre-diabetes, endometriosis, had my gallbladder out recently and many other issues. So, after much decision making, I decided to go back to my "old life". I started today with a couple regular beers and had some crackers. I was expecting to be running to the bathroom like when I first switched to gluten-free, but nothing has happened and it's been almost 8 hours now. Not sure what to think. I know about the dangers of cancer and etc, but I have so many illnesses, I just want to live a semi-normal life again. 
    • In 2004, I complained to my doc of intestinal problems. I had my gallbladder out in 2003, and things hadn't really returned to normal. He did some testing, and told me, "You're not quite celiac, but you definitely have something going on." He never showed me the numbers, and I never asked. We moved shortly afterwards, and I never really thought about it after that. A few years ago, I went on the Atkins diet. I cut out all starchy carbs & bread carbs for three months. I had one cheat day (Wednesday), and broke out in a rash from neck to ankle. It was Thanksgiving weekend (and my birthday), and I couldn't get in to the doc. I ate a piece of birthday cake on Friday, and had insane stomach cramps. I know, I know. I should've gone to the ER. I finally got in to see the doc the following Wednesday, and the rash was clearing up. She told me it was dermatitis herpetiformis, and to stay away from gluten. No talk of being celiac. No other ramifications. So I go home, look it up, and find out about celiac. I ask for testing, and she tells me I'd have to go on a gluten diet for a month in order to get tested. After the pain I had from one piece of cake, I know I can't tolerate it. I stay off gluten, I don't have a rash. I eat something containing gluten (always in small amounts from cross-contamination--never like a donut or something), and I get a rash. That's proof enough for me. Fast forward to today. I got a copy of my medical records from 2004.
      IGA <20, which is negative
      IGG 79, where 30 is considered a moderate to strong positive. Wouldn't this be a "definite celiac", not a "something going on"? I'm a bit frustrated. I should've been gluten-free for 14 years, not 3. 
    • Hopefully the biopsy results will tell the tale as they say.  I am on rx D myself.  You can find info on vitamin D at the vitamin D  council site.  Seeing they just announced higher levels of vitamin D can help prevent colon cancer it's even a better reason to take some.  You can get natural vitamin D from oily fish like mackeral, sardines, salmon and tuna.  Other than that they do add it to milk and some orange juice in the USA.  The sun is another good source but only during certain hours of the day depending on your local latitude.
    • I dropped 30 lbs after going gluten free in a MONTH.  It seemed to be a lot of water flushing out of my body.  Underneath I was underweight and looked emaciated.  I've since built back 10 lbs of good weight in muscle and probably bone, and much healthier.
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