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Is It Possible To Get Gluten From The Dishwasher?

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Sounds ok to me W8n4dave! :)


Proverbs 25:16 "Hast thou found honey? eat so much as is sufficient for thee, lest thou be filled therewith, and vomit it."

Job 30:27 My bowels boiled, and rested not: the days of affliction prevented me.

Thyroid cyst and nodules, Lactose / casein intolerant. Diet positive, gene test pos, symptoms confirmed by Dr-head. My current bad list is: gluten, dairy, sulfites, coffee (the devil's brew), tea, Bug's Bunnies carrots, garbanzo beans of pain, soy- no joy, terrible turnips, tomatoes, peppers, potatoes, eggplant, celery, strawberries, pistachios, and hard work. Have a good day! 🙂 Paul

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No worries sweetie , it wasn't you .... I also live in a home where there is gluten eaters. I wash the dishes in the same sink. But I guess some want to "Let it a rest" Or want me to "Let it a rest" So I will say no more.  

 

 

Sorry, but I was only doing my job as a moderator to control the discussion on the thread. Rarely do I do such a thing (as you may have noticed, I am almost always among the first ones to respond to a newbie's cry for help)

Haven't I answered many of your questions, hon?

 

and I in no way was talking about you taking a rest or no longer posting.No need for you to get mad and leave.

 

I meant it as "let's give the topic a rest " because we have discussed it already many times and the answer was given and to keep repeating it and to speculate about it as being harmful

to celiacs in any way serves no purpose.

 

I am sorry if that offended you because I meant nothing personal. I think perhaps you misunderstood

what I meant, but if so, I apologize if It hurt your feelings.

 

I'd also like to add that when someone comments without reading all the posts on a lengthy thread, he or she may not see all the exchanges and may leap to a conclusion, which is often unfair.

 

The discussion about whether a plate would be harmful because of gluten in a dishwasher did in fact become an issue about cleanliness in general.

 

So, please guys--read everything before posting as it can sometimes cause confusion and misunderstandings.


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I guess I took it as a direct hit. because it was quoted in my post. I don't mean to make a big deal out of it. I am over it. I will just watch what I say from now on. I have learned alot in this forum, I have considered quitting but have reconsidered and just decided to quit and get over it! Keep learning and doing the best I can. Thats what life is all about right? And I do not think dish washers are perfect!! but neither am I :) We can all be friends here no matter what our opinion right? 

Are we friends? :)

You are good hun. 


Have a Bless Day!  :)

 

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Sorry, but I was only doing my job as a moderator to control the discussion on the thread. Rarely do I do such a thing (as you may have noticed, I am almost always among the first ones to respond to a newbie's cry for help)

Haven't I answered many of your questions, hon?

 

and I in no way was talking about you taking a rest or no longer posting.No need for you to get mad and leave.

 

I meant it as "let's give the topic a rest " because we have discussed it already many times and the answer was given and to keep repeating it and to speculate about it as being harmful

to celiacs in any way serves no purpose.

 

I am sorry if that offended you because I meant nothing personal. I think perhaps you misunderstood

what I meant, but if so, I apologize if It hurt your feelings.

 

I'd also like to add that when someone comments without reading all the posts on a lengthy thread, he or she may not see all the exchanges and may leap to a conclusion, which is often unfair.

 

The discussion about whether a plate would be harmful because of gluten in a dishwasher did in fact become an issue about cleanliness in general.

 

So, please guys--read everything before posting as it can sometimes cause confusion and misunderstandings.

I understand every thread has to be monitored but honestly I didn't see where it was getting out of hand.  BTW I am not the one that said they were mad n is leaving.  


Have a Bless Day!  :)

 

Denise

 

 

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Sorry, but I was only doing my job as a moderator to control the discussion on the thread. Rarely do I do such a thing (as you may have noticed, I am almost always among the first ones to respond to a newbie's cry for help)

Haven't I answered many of your questions, hon?

 

and I in no way was talking about you taking a rest or no longer posting.No need for you to get mad and leave.

 

I meant it as "let's give the topic a rest " because we have discussed it already many times and the answer was given and to keep repeating it and to speculate about it as being harmful

to celiacs in any way serves no purpose.

 

I am sorry if that offended you because I meant nothing personal. I think perhaps you misunderstood

what I meant, but if so, I apologize if It hurt your feelings.

 

I'd also like to add that when someone comments without reading all the posts on a lengthy thread, he or she may not see all the exchanges and may leap to a conclusion, which is often unfair.

 

The discussion about whether a plate would be harmful because of gluten in a dishwasher did in fact become an issue about cleanliness in general.

 

So, please guys--read everything before posting as it can sometimes cause confusion and misunderstandings.

Not a lengthily thread. I have read it since. I was not out of line, I did not deserve that. You are a mod. I respect you. But not that... It was not out of hand ....  maby you should consider reading it again .... Please :) And Thank you 


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Not a lengthily thread. I have read it since. I was not out of line, I did not deserve that. You are a mod. I respect you. But not that... It was not out of hand ....  maby you should consider reading it again .... Please :) And Thank you 

what is your deal.


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just as i was getting my affairs in order to die of malnutrition...
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I thought we all agreed that its gross if food - gluten or not- is stuck to dishes and forks?  Most people have no problems using a dishwasher. 

 

If the thought of gluten and non-gluten dishes bathing together offends your sensibilities, wash them separately, use paper plates, eat out of the pot, wash separately, get the dog to clean the gluten plates first (dog saliva is a great dissolver of food. Got grape juice off of yellow cotton with it), etc.

 

Let's lighten up.  I refuse to fight about cleaning!

 

 

Me doing dishes.  Notice the red sponge for gluten-free food cleanup?

 

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I thought we all agreed that its gross if food - gluten or not- is stuck to dishes and forks?  Most people have no problems using a dishwasher. 

 

If the thought of gluten and non-gluten dishes bathing together offends your sensibilities, wash them separately, use paper plates, eat out of the pot, wash separately, get the dog to clean the gluten plates first (dog saliva is a great dissolver of food. Got grape juice off of yellow cotton with it), etc.

 

Let's lighten up.  I refuse to fight about cleaning!

 

 

Me doing dishes.  Notice the red sponge for gluten-free food cleanup?

 

doing-dishes-smiley-emoticon.gif

 

Ohhh mama!   Can you come to my house to clean dishes?  :)

 

Really, need help.  The doggies all died years ago and the dishwasher is broke.  Cat just doesn't get them as clean as they otter be.  :)


Proverbs 25:16 "Hast thou found honey? eat so much as is sufficient for thee, lest thou be filled therewith, and vomit it."

Job 30:27 My bowels boiled, and rested not: the days of affliction prevented me.

Thyroid cyst and nodules, Lactose / casein intolerant. Diet positive, gene test pos, symptoms confirmed by Dr-head. My current bad list is: gluten, dairy, sulfites, coffee (the devil's brew), tea, Bug's Bunnies carrots, garbanzo beans of pain, soy- no joy, terrible turnips, tomatoes, peppers, potatoes, eggplant, celery, strawberries, pistachios, and hard work. Have a good day! 🙂 Paul

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Yo DC, you otter give your poor cat a rest.  :wub:


Positive improvement from elimination diet. Mother dx'd by Mayo Clinic in late 1980s. Negative blood tests and Upper & Lower GI biopsy. Parathyroidectomy 12/09. Recurring high calcium level 4/10. Gluten-free 4/10. Soy & Dairy Free 6/10. Corn free 7/10. Grain free except rice 8/10. Legume free 6/11. Fighting the battle of the battle within myself, and I'm going to win!

As of 2/12, tolerating dairy, corn, legumes and some soy, but I limit soy to tamari sauce or modest soy additives. Won't ever try quinoa again!

Discoid Lupus from skin biopsy 2011, discovered 2/12 when picking up medical records. Systemic Lupus Dx 6/12. Shingles 10/12.

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This is all new to me. Can someone tell me why my dishwasher would not sanitize my cooking utensils? I don't understand why it would be okay for my eating utensils and not cooking. Also I am a diabetic and as I go through this detox stage I'm craving sugar....I think. I'm not sure if its an emotional crutch because this has been a very emotional process for me

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This is all new to me. Can someone tell me why my dishwasher would not sanitize my cooking utensils? I don't understand why it would be okay for my eating utensils and not cooking. Also I am a diabetic and as I go through this detox stage I'm craving sugar....I think. I'm not sure if its an emotional crutch because this has been a very emotional process for me

A few things don't clean well and might have gluten in the cracks. Things like a colander that it is hard to clean each little hole or a wooden spoon which is full of cracks that can hide gluten or germs. If your pots and spoons, etc can clean well...use them.


 

 

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Really, need help.  The doggies all died years ago and the dishwasher is broke.  Cat just doesn't get them as clean as they otter be.  :)

At least your cat tries. My won't even lick a plate with chicken or steak on it. She still begs while I cook though, go figure.


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Can someone tell me why my dishwasher would not sanitize my cooking utensils?

The dishwasher will certainly sanitize your utensils, due to the heat. But that means killing microorganisms. Gluten can not be killed, and sanitizing has no effect on it. Gluten must be physically removed as part of the washing process. This is why porous or scratched surfaces are a concern.

It is common for people new to the process to think that alcohol or other sanitizers will neutralize gluten, but that is not the case.


Peter

Diagnosis by biopsy of practically non-existent villi; gluten-free since July 2000. I was retested five years later and the biopsy was normal. You can beat this disease!

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Yo DC, you otter give your poor cat a rest.  :wub:

 

Ha ha, she gets plenty of rest!  :)

 

At least your cat tries. My won't even lick a plate with chicken or steak on it. She still begs while I cook though, go figure.

 

Same here Raven, she is a processed food only cat.  Won't hardly touch anything besides store bought cat-food.  But the silly cat still seems to think everything I eat is a cat treat of some kind.  Curiosity I guess.


Proverbs 25:16 "Hast thou found honey? eat so much as is sufficient for thee, lest thou be filled therewith, and vomit it."

Job 30:27 My bowels boiled, and rested not: the days of affliction prevented me.

Thyroid cyst and nodules, Lactose / casein intolerant. Diet positive, gene test pos, symptoms confirmed by Dr-head. My current bad list is: gluten, dairy, sulfites, coffee (the devil's brew), tea, Bug's Bunnies carrots, garbanzo beans of pain, soy- no joy, terrible turnips, tomatoes, peppers, potatoes, eggplant, celery, strawberries, pistachios, and hard work. Have a good day! 🙂 Paul

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My German Pinscher and part-time (neighbor's) dog are ready and willing to go help out anyone with finicky cats.

 

Regrettably, neither one of the doggies are very friendly toward cats. 

 

They shovel up the left overs though, even cabbage.  Heidi Ho loves anything with tomato in it.  Arnold will eat positively anything except corn chips.  He vacuums my kitchen floor with his nose every time he pops over.


Positive improvement from elimination diet. Mother dx'd by Mayo Clinic in late 1980s. Negative blood tests and Upper & Lower GI biopsy. Parathyroidectomy 12/09. Recurring high calcium level 4/10. Gluten-free 4/10. Soy & Dairy Free 6/10. Corn free 7/10. Grain free except rice 8/10. Legume free 6/11. Fighting the battle of the battle within myself, and I'm going to win!

As of 2/12, tolerating dairy, corn, legumes and some soy, but I limit soy to tamari sauce or modest soy additives. Won't ever try quinoa again!

Discoid Lupus from skin biopsy 2011, discovered 2/12 when picking up medical records. Systemic Lupus Dx 6/12. Shingles 10/12.

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I hate to bump an older thread, but I made an account specifically after seeing this post.

I understand the issue of gluten in the dishwasher is a cleanliness issue, so I must share this. I recently used my mom's dishwasher bc my sink was leaking. My house is strictly gluten-free, hers is nowhere near it. The only change that could have triggered my reaction this week was dishes washed in her washer. It is an OLD machine and I forgot to check or rinse the plates before putting them away. I know this must be how I was glutened. I examined a plate on the bottom of the stack and sure enough, there was a thin patch of grime hidden by the design on the plate! The hot water and high pressure just didn't cut it this time.

And just bc you cannot see smudges on your plates doesn't mean they aren't there :( obviously that sounds paranoid, but paranoia is sometimes justified. This could have been avoided if I'd been more careful. I'm extremely, severely sensitive and am still discovering just how serious this is. I don't expect many people will have the issue I've had.. but if you're reacting and you've examined all other possible contaminants, and you still share a dish washer, it is certainly something to consider!

Is there an introductions sub forum?

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I hate to bump an older thread, but I made an account specifically after seeing this post.

I understand the issue of gluten in the dishwasher is a cleanliness issue, so I must share this. I recently used my mom's dishwasher bc my sink was leaking. My house is strictly gluten-free, hers is nowhere near it. The only change that could have triggered my reaction this week was dishes washed in her washer. It is an OLD machine and I forgot to check or rinse the plates before putting them away. I know this must be how I was glutened. I examined a plate on the bottom of the stack and sure enough, there was a thin patch of grime hidden by the design on the plate! The hot water and high pressure just didn't cut it this time.

And just bc you cannot see smudges on your plates doesn't mean they aren't there :( obviously that sounds paranoid, but paranoia is sometimes justified. This could have been avoided if I'd been more careful. I'm extremely, severely sensitive and am still discovering just how serious this is. I don't expect many people will have the issue I've had.. but if you're reacting and you've examined all other possible contaminants, and you still share a dish washer, it is certainly something to consider!

Is there an introductions sub forum?

 

I am also one of the more sensitive ones and I agree with your concerns.  It is difficult to make the less sensitive not obsess over unimportant things while at the same time letting the more sensitive know where their reactions might be coming from.  I spent the first couple of years figuring out all these things.

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Is there an introductions sub forum?

Welcome! :)

 

There is a section called celiac meeting room for introductions.  It's not mandatory to post in it though, some do, some don't.

https://www.celiac.com/forums/forum/47-celiac-meeting-room/


Proverbs 25:16 "Hast thou found honey? eat so much as is sufficient for thee, lest thou be filled therewith, and vomit it."

Job 30:27 My bowels boiled, and rested not: the days of affliction prevented me.

Thyroid cyst and nodules, Lactose / casein intolerant. Diet positive, gene test pos, symptoms confirmed by Dr-head. My current bad list is: gluten, dairy, sulfites, coffee (the devil's brew), tea, Bug's Bunnies carrots, garbanzo beans of pain, soy- no joy, terrible turnips, tomatoes, peppers, potatoes, eggplant, celery, strawberries, pistachios, and hard work. Have a good day! 🙂 Paul

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Actually, alcohol DOES denature the protein bonds in gluten. 

my dishwasher runs with water lolz  :D  although alcohol is always fun ;)


arlene

misdiagnosed for 25 years!
just as i was getting my affairs in order to die of malnutrition...
gluten free 7/2010
blood test negative
celiac confirmed by endoscopy 9/2010

 

only YOU can prevent forest fires - smokey t. bear

 

have a nice day :)

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Actually, alcohol DOES denature the protein bonds in gluten. 

It has some effect, but it is not enough. After all, if alcohol completely denatured gluten, we could all drink beer.  :o


Peter

Diagnosis by biopsy of practically non-existent villi; gluten-free since July 2000. I was retested five years later and the biopsy was normal. You can beat this disease!

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Markham, Ontario (borders on Toronto)

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It has some effect, but it is not enough. After all, if alcohol completely denatured gluten, we could all drink beer.  :o

 

:lol: Good one Peter.  I shall pray to the Beer gods to make it so...


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Beer contains alcohol/it is not pure alcohol.  IIRC, depending on the beer, the alcohol content can be from 2% to 12%.

 

The alcohol I am speaking of would be pure alcohol.  Rubbing alcohol will denature gluten on cookware.

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You miss my point. Gliadin is soluble in alcohol. It does not break down or become denatured, no matter how pure the alcohol. When the alcohol evaporates, the intact gliadin is still there. If you have proof that this is not true, please provide your evidence for us all to see.


Peter

Diagnosis by biopsy of practically non-existent villi; gluten-free since July 2000. I was retested five years later and the biopsy was normal. You can beat this disease!

Type 1 (autoimmune) diabetes diagnosed in March 1986

Markham, Ontario (borders on Toronto)

Celiac.com - Celiac Disease Board Moderator since 2007

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