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Extreme Depression caused by micro-traces of gluten?

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Hi,

 

my history is the following:

I used to eat a lot of foods with gluten & cheese together.

They would make me seriously happy and and I was extremely content just eating a pizza and bread with cheese and things like this...

Now obviously I'd have cycles... where I eat tons of gluten/cheese foods in combination... feel super content and thats it...

Then the effects would wear off and I had to start a diet.. where I'd do modified versions of fasting or so for a few weeks...

During that phase I'd get very depressed... but after a few weeks of no-gluten... I'd eat bread with cheese again and I felt like I was in heaven.

I'd get extremely high from this stuff... like seriously I'd feel amazing... (I guess it's the morphine like effects of this foods)

 but after some when I hit age 22 or so I started to get serious trouble...

....

 

I started getting serious neurological issues from it... like I could't put my words together... I'd have paranoia & feel like everything is unreal... I've been diagnosed with numerus psychiatric issues since then...

My main problem right now is that my brain isn't functioning...

I can't comprehend what people are saying and when I want to say something my words don't come easily... Like if I am in a conversation for a longer time this issues is barely noticable at all...

But if I wake up... and I try to talk... there's no way.. if I haven't talked for a while it's like you could ask me and I couldn't comprehend what you say and couldn't put my words together in the way I'd like to...

I feel kinda stupid sometimes... because I know I'm rather smart but when I have a conversation my speech seems very unsophisticated...

---

I tried to change my diet.. with varying success... like I would feel great in the morning and feel completely depressed in the evening for no apparent reason whatsoever... at all!

And I feel I can attribute this to traces of gluten which feels like this:

 

----

When I have traces of gluten inadvertently...

I suddenly feel like everything is kind of unreal around me... I feel depressed in a "opiate withdrawal" kind of way...

I don't know how to explain it... it's just painful in the sense that I can't just enjoy having a conversation... like I have a conversation but I don't feel "the thrill"... everything is totally bland and I just feel depressed in the background... like I don't want to do anything and no matter what I do.. it feels completely pointless because I can't comprehend why I suddenly feel this way...

 

 And it's not like I feel this way 24/7... that's the thing... it comes and goes and comes and goes... sometimes I feel completely fine in the morning or even for 2 days or so.... and then I feel completely like s$#& and devoid off all satisfaction for 3 days where I feel I'm going completely crazy & I can't talk.. can't comprehend... feel super weird when talking to people... and then the next days I just feel suddenly "normal"... like this relaxed and easy-going feeling in your body and wanting to be social and to communicate and just have fun... but then... when I eat some food and I feel it has gluten.. it hits me in a subtle way... where I suddenly loose all joy in life for days... and then it just dissapears... I've been struggling with this for years now and I can't seem to comprehend or get on top of this issue...

Do some of you guys have similar experiences?

 

 

 

 

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Sounds like gluten ataxia, or the form of celiac I have where it also attacks my nervous system and brain. I would get a celiac test if I was you, you have to be eating at least half a slice of bread or a few crackers for 12 weeks before hand and go to your doctor and ask for a full celiac panel. From there you need to be eating it for still and get a endoscope with biopsies to check for intestinal damage. Now to help with the mental issues I will tell your right now a good b-vitamin supplement will help you with the fog and depression a bit. I suggest Liquid Health Stress & Energy and the Neurological support one. Take 1 tbsp each 3 times a day. You will notice a huge difference in it. Being liquid it is easier absorbed by your body, if you have celaic then your intestines will also be damaged making where getting these nutrients is more difficult for you body.

NOW as to the cheesy bread I hear you on that. I love eating Juilans bakery toasted read with dayia cheese on it.... I was using hte provolone for awhile but am now using the almond bread with daiya dairy free swiss. Love a good cheesy toast and egg white open sandwich with some avocado myself. I also posted a recipe in the baking section where you melt the daiya dairy free cheese shreds and mix them in with the flour blend I use that is gluten-free and make cheesy bread rolls out of them. I have a garlic and cheddar one.....you name just inspired the idea of using a bit of turkey bacon in the cheddar biscuit version.....would be epic

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On 5/27/2017 at 4:25 PM, Glutenfreebacon said:

Hi,

 

my history is the following:

I used to eat a lot of foods with gluten & cheese together.

They would make me seriously happy and and I was extremely content just eating a pizza and bread with cheese and things like this...

Now obviously I'd have cycles... where I eat tons of gluten/cheese foods in combination... feel super content and thats it...

Then the effects would wear off and I had to start a diet.. where I'd do modified versions of fasting or so for a few weeks...

During that phase I'd get very depressed... but after a few weeks of no-gluten... I'd eat bread with cheese again and I felt like I was in heaven.

I'd get extremely high from this stuff... like seriously I'd feel amazing... (I guess it's the morphine like effects of this foods)

 but after some when I hit age 22 or so I started to get serious trouble...

....

 

I started getting serious neurological issues from it... like I could't put my words together... I'd have paranoia & feel like everything is unreal... I've been diagnosed with numerus psychiatric issues since then...

My main problem right now is that my brain isn't functioning...

I can't comprehend what people are saying and when I want to say something my words don't come easily... Like if I am in a conversation for a longer time this issues is barely noticable at all...

But if I wake up... and I try to talk... there's no way.. if I haven't talked for a while it's like you could ask me and I couldn't comprehend what you say and couldn't put my words together in the way I'd like to...

I feel kinda stupid sometimes... because I know I'm rather smart but when I have a conversation my speech seems very unsophisticated...

---

I tried to change my diet.. with varying success... like I would feel great in the morning and feel completely depressed in the evening for no apparent reason whatsoever... at all!

And I feel I can attribute this to traces of gluten which feels like this:

 

----

When I have traces of gluten inadvertently...

I suddenly feel like everything is kind of unreal around me... I feel depressed in a "opiate withdrawal" kind of way...

I don't know how to explain it... it's just painful in the sense that I can't just enjoy having a conversation... like I have a conversation but I don't feel "the thrill"... everything is totally bland and I just feel depressed in the background... like I don't want to do anything and no matter what I do.. it feels completely pointless because I can't comprehend why I suddenly feel this way...

 

 And it's not like I feel this way 24/7... that's the thing... it comes and goes and comes and goes... sometimes I feel completely fine in the morning or even for 2 days or so.... and then I feel completely like s$#& and devoid off all satisfaction for 3 days where I feel I'm going completely crazy & I can't talk.. can't comprehend... feel super weird when talking to people... and then the next days I just feel suddenly "normal"... like this relaxed and easy-going feeling in your body and wanting to be social and to communicate and just have fun... but then... when I eat some food and I feel it has gluten.. it hits me in a subtle way... where I suddenly loose all joy in life for days... and then it just dissapears... I've been struggling with this for years now and I can't seem to comprehend or get on top of this issue...

Do some of you guys have similar experiences?

 

 

 

 

Do you still consume gluten and/or dairy? If so, I highly recommend that you eliminate both entirely. That includes anything with the ingredients; whey powder, casein, "lactose free" can be misleading as well. I also recommend taking a good probiotic regularly. 

http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2016/03/01/10-best-probiotics-for-depression-anxiety-gut-brain-axis-modification/ 

I use Garden of Life brand for Mood. I buy it in the refrigerated section at Whole Foods. I also recommend double doses of B vitamin for a stint.

However, you should have a full work up done by a neurologist, if you haven't already. Assuming everything comes  back negative then I highly recommend trying these few things. 

I hope you can find answers and start feeling healthy again.

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Hello, Glutenfreebacon.  I'm sorry to hear you're having such disturbing problems.  The problems thinking and trying to have a conversation that you described sounds very similar to what I experienced when I was severely deficient in B complex vitamins.  

Deficiency of many B vitamins can cause changes in mental health.  B 12, thiamine, and niacin deficiencies often have alterations in thinking associated with them, as in pellagra and wernicke's syndrome.  

The B vitamins are water soluble.  They aren't stored in the body very long.  Most will run out within two weeks, so they need to be replenished daily.  

I hypothesize that your binges on cheese and bread supply you with B vitamins, but then your fasting and dieting quickly deplete them.  Perhaps you get some B vitamins from your diet, but they are used up fairly quickly, hence your symptoms coming and going.  

I strongly suggest you get the possibility of vitamin deficiencies (B vitamins and vitamin D) checked by a doctor.  If not corrected, some deficiencies may lead to permanent damage.  Celiac Disease causes malabsorption which results in malnutrition.  Doctors often fail to recognize malnutrition symptoms outside of alcoholism.  

Here's a couple of articles for you.

This one is about the opioid effect of dairy and gluten.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4809873/#!po=18.2432

This one's about vitamin deficiency symptoms and mental health.

http://www.mdedge.com/currentpsychiatry/article/64985/depression/vitamin-deficiencies-and-mental-health-how-are-they

Please get checked for deficiencies of B12, thiamine, niacin, and vitamin D.  The B vitamins all work together and should all be supplemented if deficient.  Vitamin D and omega 3 fats  are required for optimal brain function. 

I hope you feel better soon. Hope this helps.

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