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1 hour ago, mystic said:

So wait guys, is there a specific ingredient in Gluten products which keeps us regular?

Fiber....wheat fiber, whole grain fiber....oddly to simulate the sticky gluten proteins most companies use starches....high glycemic less fibrous grains and gums to simulate it. Our guts break these down more....and less non soluble fiber makes it through the tract as bulk mass for the stool. Why my number one suggestions include insoulable fiber from nuts, seeds in addition to consuming more veggies, and less processed starch breads and foods. Sorta why they tell you not to go gluten free if your not celiac and to watch what your eating. Many gluten free foods cater to taste/texture not the needed fiber/nutritional profile we actually needs. SO you got to do your research, and balance your diet. Another reason we often suggest talking to a nutritionist or dietician.

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17 minutes ago, Ennis_TX said:

Fiber....wheat fiber, whole grain fiber....oddly to simulate the sticky gluten proteins most companies use starches....high glycemic less fibrous grains and gums to simulate it. Our guts break these down more....and less non soluble fiber makes it through the tract as bulk mass for the stool. Why my number one suggestions include insoulable fiber from nuts, seeds in addition to consuming more veggies, and less processed starch breads and foods. Sorta why they tell you not to go gluten free if your not celiac and to watch what your eating. Many gluten free foods cater to taste/texture not the needed fiber/nutritional profile we actually needs. SO you got to do your research, and balance your diet. Another reason we often suggest talking to a nutritionist or dietician.

Breads, cookies, cake  and flour tortillas and such always gave me C. I always envisioned them turning into a thick gummy paste that stopped everything up! So I avoided these things since I was a teenager, decades before I went gluten-free. Always had to eat lots of beans and fruit my entire life. And again, that little quarter cup of prune juice once a week or so acts like liquid plumber for me, lol.

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So eating other acceptable foods with high fibre should work in replacing the fibre in the gluten, is this correct please?

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12 minutes ago, mystic said:

So eating other acceptable foods with high fibre should work in replacing the fibre in the gluten, is this correct please?

To add bulk to the stool yes, if your issue is constipation then you might consider more liquids, and magnesium in addition and the prune juice Victoria suggest if you tolerate it. >.< Prune juice made mine worse I have Ulcerative Colities and the fructose sugars in prunes trigger it, I tried it before finding the magnesium citrate.

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1 hour ago, mystic said:

So eating other acceptable foods with high fibre should work in replacing the fibre in the gluten, is this correct please?

Think about it.  Did the Inuits (Eskimos) have access to wheat in the past?  

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18 minutes ago, mystic said:

What about any of these high fibre cereal options guys?

http://www.fiberguardian.com/high-fiber-gluten-free-cereal/

 

These are awfully high in sugar.  Who would eat just a 1/4 cup?  Eat a bowl and you might as well have eaten a big slice of birthday cake!  Weren’t you worried about diabetes?  

Try baking a sweet potato and add butter and cinnamon.  Yum!  The cereals can be fine for many. If you eat them, start slow, because they have added fiber (like insulin)  that has been known to cause GI issues like gas and bloating. 

 

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38 minutes ago, cyclinglady said:

These are awfully high in sugar.  Who would eat just a 1/4 cup?  Eat a bowl and you might as well have eaten a big slice of birthday cake!  Weren’t you worried about diabetes?  

Correct and thanks. I will heed the advice given previously with adding the prunes and fruit, just looking for any possible workable cereal option to replace the gluten-free Cheerios.

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1 hour ago, mystic said:

Correct and thanks. I will heed the advice given previously with adding the prunes and fruit, just looking for any possible workable cereal option to replace the gluten-free Cheerios.

Pro-Granola from Julian Bakery is grain free and low carb/low sugar, Know Foods makes a kind of cheap cereal from their bread products that is low carb. I make Keto Porridge often by using coconut flour, almond flour, and sometimes adding ground flax/chia/ etc thickening it up...you can stir in a egg while cooking it up also for added protein.

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Hi Mystic,

Part of your issues may be the normal recovery process.  The healing in our guts increases the villi surface area resulting in lots of new territory for bacteria to live.  That can be good if you have all beneficial bacteria in your gut.  But most of us don't, especially after having a digestive disease for  a long time.  So lots more bad bacteria can take over and cause problems.  Probiotics can help that situation in theory.

But IMHO you shouldn't expect normal digestion until some healing time has passed, which could be months for some of us or longer.  It takes time.  In the meantime try to stick to low carb foods and basic, unprocessed foods.  The simpler your diet is the easier it is to isolate foods that cause symptoms to flare.  Think of eating simple, easy to digest foods, not manufactured or restaurant foods.  Fancy foods (complex foods with lots of ingredients) are not your friend right now.

Low carb also means low sugar, and lots of veggies and meats.  Most of your food should be cooked by you at home.  There's plenty of time to get adventurous and eat other foods after you are healed.  But to start it helps to take it easy and give your gut a break.

Your original post asked if symptoms after 2 months is normal.  Two months is just getting started on the gluten-free diet.  I had gut spasms for 6 weeks after going gluten-free.  Getting normal was a much longer process.  The easier you make it on your gut the faster you will recover.

I hope you feel better soon! :)

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16 minutes ago, mystic said:

Thanks. Looking at the Pro-Granola from Julian Bakery, that certainly looks like something I can try, only the 12g Egg White Protein concerns me as I am supposed to be dairy free also.

 

https://julianbakery.com/product/progranola-paleo-cereal/?gclid=Cj0KCQiA4bzSBRDOARIsAHJ1UO6dHKVMYl-at5TzpSc1S3okug41yChx2lmRbu5C7sCPgmVJMhBkussaAooKEALw_wcB

?!?!?!?!? what?! It is dairy free.....EGG WHITES from CHICKENS EGGS, Diary is from COW TITS, completely different species of origin.

PS Diet wise
PALEO is free of GRAINS and DAIRY, and most of the time BEAN FREE. It is a diet based on what cave man ate of Meat, Eggs, Nuts, Seeds, Fruit.  
PRIMAL is a diet that allows Diary but not grains or beans.
KETO means no/low carb with high fat/protein.
PALEO PRIME is a version of Paleo that allows beans but not dairy or grains.
Vegan does not consume ANY animal product
Vegetarian does not consume animal body derived products but is generally accepting of dairy or eggs. THERE are two other variants on this diet that allow for either dairy and the other allows for eggs

 

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So sorry I was supposed to have written "meat"

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18 minutes ago, mystic said:

So sorry I was supposed to have written "meat"

Eggs are neither dairy nor meat

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I had done some research on this and all of the articles on the net were conflicting and I like eggs and miss it but because for Psoriasis reasons I have to very carefully watch my meat consumption and only 2-3 meals with meat is what's recommended, some recommend no meat at all and meat consumption does affect me. So my thinking is to give up eggs if that will add to meat consumption so would you mind leading me a definitive source which shows beong any doubt that eggs are not meat please?

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3 minutes ago, mystic said:

I had done some research on this and all of the articles on the net were conflicting and I like eggs and miss it but because for Psoriasis reasons I have to very carefully watch my meat consumption and only 2-3 meals with meat is what's recommended, some recommend no meat at all and meat consumption does affect me. So my thinking is to give up eggs if that will add to meat consumption so would you mind leading me a definitive source which shows beong any doubt that eggs are not meat please?

I have enzyme issues breaking down egg yolks...but I go through 4-5 cartons of egg whites a week and practically live off them....perhaps the whites might be alright for you? I have found very easy to digest.

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I am not sure if eggs have any negative effect on me at all. as mentioned I only gave it up due to seeing that most articles agree it is meat

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40 minutes ago, mystic said:

I had done some research on this and all of the articles on the net were conflicting and I like eggs and miss it but because for Psoriasis reasons I have to very carefully watch my meat consumption and only 2-3 meals with meat is what's recommended, some recommend no meat at all and meat consumption does affect me. So my thinking is to give up eggs if that will add to meat consumption so would you mind leading me a definitive source which shows beong any doubt that eggs are not meat please?

You can give up eggs if you want , but the definition of meat is the flesh of animals.  Eggs aren't animal " flesh".  Nor are they dairy, as dairy is milk from a mammal ( usually a cow).

as for giving you a " source", usually the person asserting something that isn't a a wisely accepted fact must give the source.......  I am not asking for your reliable  " source" that's  an egg is actually meat (flesh) o from a cow  because, that just isn't possible.

 

 

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Yes we all know the essence of meat is muscle tissue from animals but I think what is confusing scientists is because since it's an animal by-product they don't know how much of that muscle tissue or enzymes in actually in the egg?

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12 minutes ago, mystic said:

Yes we all know the essence of meat is muscle tissue from animals but I think what is confusing scientists is because since it's an animal by-product they don't know how much of that muscle tissue or enzymes in actually in the egg?

Scientists have know since I was in school  ( a long long time ago) what eggs are made of.

perhaps your confusion is the fact that eggs are considered a protein source, like meat? 

Anyway..... I am not going to argue this fact anymore.  Eat the eggs or don't.

 

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I am not arguing, I simply asked if you would provide any conclusive "scientific" source to back up "your opinion" on eggs? Either you can or you can't.

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I just Googled it and an unfertilized egg is a byproduct of the chicken. Not meat, dairy, vegetable or whatever. Avoid the cholesterol and eat more whites but otherwise, an egg is an egg.

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1 hour ago, mystic said:

I am not arguing, I simply asked if you would provide any conclusive "scientific" source to back up "your opinion" on eggs? Either you can or you can't.

I think you misunderstand the rules of the forum.  When a poster comes on and makes claims that are not generally accepted facts, they are supposed to have reliable scientific evidence to support that.  You can find in many high school science books as well a many reputable sites on the internet the chemical composition & a good explanation of an unfertilized chicken egg.  You can find many sources to explain the concept of "bird eggs" in general and their place in the reproductive cycle of life.   Unfertilized chicken eggs are what most would consider an "egg" in a common conversation about human food.

 

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were referring to an egg's place in a diet.  Eggs provide protein and are  often used in place of meat in a meal. 

 

My point in wanting to clarify this is twofold - I want people who may read this to see accurate information.  The second reason was that I did not want you to have to further restrict your diet, if it wasn't necessary.  

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Mystic,

I applaud your efforts to improve your psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis.  I think a good diet can really improve your health.  

As celiac.com members, we know that a gluten diet has scientifically been proven to trigger celiac disease.  There have been plenty of medical studies and dietary guidelines to guide a celiac or one with a gluten sensitivity.  As a group, we know a lot about the gluten free diet and can provide excellent tips.  

 Unfortunately, there is not much dietary support out there for other autoimmune disorders.  Some of us have other existing autoimmune issues and we have tweaked our diets to accommodate them and our leaky guts which is somehow related to celiac disease (zonulin).  But those dietary adjustments are often very specific to each individual.  I would suggest picking one diet that has been recommended by someone with psoriasis and stick to it for a few months.  

I agree that there is conflicting information out there and who can you trust?  Consider consulting with a dietitian who works with autoimmune disorders.  If that is not possible, pick one diet that best suits you (e.g. Dr. Terri Wahls or Whole 30, AIP, Vegan, or whatever).  Do it for 30 days and then make adjustments based on symptom improvement (or not).  Your best bet is to avoid processed foods to keep things simple and to better track reactions to particular foods. 

I hope this helps!  

 

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20 hours ago, cyclinglady said:

Consider consulting with a dietitian who works with autoimmune disorders.  If that is not possible, pick one diet that best suits you (e.g. Dr. Terri Wahls or Whole 30, AIP, Vegan, or whatever).  Do it for 30 days and then make adjustments based on symptom improvement (or not).  Your best bet is to avoid processed foods to keep things simple and to better track reactions to particular foods. 

I hope this helps!  

 

Yes, that is super advice, will do, thanks! Getting back to the eggs issue, I am seeing a lot of people who have P are having issues with it, of course it's an individual thing but I will do some more research on my own from credible sources.

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