Jump to content
  • You are not alone. Join Celiac.com for trusted gluten-free answers and forum support.



  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):

Can food allergies like milk and soy flatten villi?


Matt13

Recommended Posts

knitty kitty Grand Master
(edited)

Some people react to the Casein in dairy the same as to gluten, like me.  I avoid dairy avidly because I get ataxia so bad.

Some Celiac people produce tTg 6 antibodies in response to gluten or casein.  tTg 2 antibodies are what blood tests for Celiac measure.  tTg 6 antibodies are also found in Alzheimer's and Parkinson's diseases, contributing to ataxia.  Have you been checked for tTg 6 antibodies?  

P. S.  Can you share your B vitamin test results?

Edited by knitty kitty
Added Post Script

Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



Lotte18 Enthusiast

I have never been tested for tTg 6 antibodies but I will certainly do that next time I'm at the doc's.  Maybe there's a home test kit for that?  I drink lactose free milk and seem to be ok so I'm probably not a casein case but...who knows?!

knitty kitty Grand Master

Pancreatic elastase is a digestive enzyme that requires Thiamine Vitamin B 1 to be produced.  Thiamine is needed to make insulin, too.  Thiamine, Niacin B 3, and Pyridoxine B6 are needed to make digestive enzymes and turn carbohydrates, fats and proteins into energy for the body, and for repair and healing of the body.  The Gluten free diet can be low in the eight essential B vitamins.  Gluten free processed foods are not enriched with vitamins and minerals like their gluten containing counterparts.  Supplementing with the water soluble B vitamins can ensure you're absorbing sufficient amounts of B vitamins to keep the body healthy.  Benfotiamine is a form of thiamin that helps heal the digestive tract.  Benfotiamine and Vitamin D help to reduce inflammation and calm immune responses, so if you are accidentally exposed, your autoimmune response might not be so bad.

Supplementing with the B Complex vitamins is beneficial while healing.  Have you talked to a nutritionist?

Deanne jones Newbie

Hi Kitty, thank you for your e mail,  I have seen a nutritionist who seemed to be happy with the food diary I had been keeping and nothing was mentioned about extra vitamins, and I’m still using milk etc .


The steroids seem to be working and everything is functioning as it should
however,  the course of tablets finish at the end of February and I have an appointment with the consultant early April probably followed by another endoscopy, as far as I’m aware I have not been tested for vitamin B and will definitely discuss it with the doctor on my next visit.

 


 

 

Matt13 Explorer

Hi knitty kitty, Scott and all,

Thanks for kind words and asking!I will def. talk about histamine intolerance  on my next visit to gastro doc.
My doc.gastro says that lactose or casein is very unlikely to create marsh 3b histology like gluten in adults in intestines. (that was previous question for Scott)
Regarding my last EGD the villy was OK so refractory is out of the question based on my talk with dr.
If Scott is right and there are so many intolerance in food for celiac what is left to eat?? And now histamine?
I mean what should i eat?

Maybe gastritis is doing all this trouble?

Thanks

Kind regard
 

 

Scott Adams Grand Master

I agree with your gastro, the most likely culprit is gluten causing your Marsh 3b damage. 

Keeping a detailed food diary and eliminating foods like oats, milk/casein, soy, corn, etc., one at a time, then adding them back after a few weeks might help you pin down additional food intolerance issues. Again, depending on how long you've been gluten-free some additional food intolerance issues may go away after your gut heals, but not always.

knitty kitty Grand Master

@Matt13 

I understand where you're coming from.  Seemed I was reacting to all sorts of foods there for a while, but a low histamine Paleo diet really helps.  

We make histamine in our bodies as a useful  neurotransmitter (causing alertness), and also as a response in the immune system.  Histamine is made and released by Mast Cells.  Mast Cells can become hypersensitive to stimulus and release histamine easily, like having an itchy trigger finger.  Mast Cells need Thiamine Vitamin B 1 Benfotiamine in order to NOT release histamine.  Mast Cells that do not have sufficient Thiamine release histamine easily and at the slightest provocation.  

Plants and other animals make histamine, too.  By removing high histamine foods from the diet, more histamine can be removed from the body.  We need Pyridoxine, Vitamin B 6, Vitamin C, Cobalamine, B12, and Thiamine B1 to make Diamine Oxidase, an enzyme that breaks down histamine.  If we don't make sufficient DAO ourselves, DAO supplements are available over-the-counter.  

Removing Nightshades (tomatoes, potatoes, eggplant and peppers) was very helpful.  Nightshades contain alkaloids that cause Leaky Gut Syndrome wherein large molecules of food can pass through the walls of the intestines into the bloodstream, traveling to other organs and structures where they promote inflammation.  

After a few days on the low histamine Paleo diet, the Autoimmune Protocol diet, I started feeling better.  My diet was really restricted, but I felt so much better, I stuck with it.  Eating foods that were easy to digest and low in histamine allowed time for healing.  After a few weeks, I was ready to add one food at a time (two week period) back into my diet.  I had setbacks when I ran into a food my body didn't like, and had to go back to the start, but it was worth doing.  Celiac is a marathon, not a sprint.  

Blood tests are not accurate measurements for various B vitamin deficiencies.  Vitamin levels in the bloodstream are different from the amount stored inside cells inside organs where they are utilized.  You can have symptoms of a deficiency yet have "normal" blood levels.  The best way to test for a B vitamin deficiency is to take it and look for health improvement.  B vitamins are easily excreted because they are water soluble.  Malabsorption in Celiac can affect all the vitamins and minerals our bodies need, not just one.  Do talk to your doctor and nutritionist about supplementing while healing.  


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - Wheatwacked commented on Scott Adams's article in Diagnosis, Testing & Treatment
      5

      New Study Reveals Hidden Gut Damage in Celiac Disease—Even Without Gluten (+Video)

    2. - Wheatwacked replied to Ginger38's topic in Coping with Celiac Disease
      6

      The Struggle Has Overtaken Me

    3. - cristiana replied to CC90's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      11

      Coeliac or not coeliac

    4. - CC90 replied to CC90's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      11

      Coeliac or not coeliac

    5. - Wheatwacked replied to CC90's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      11

      Coeliac or not coeliac

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      134,196
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      10,442

    Spider2026
    Newest Member
    Spider2026
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.7k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • Wheatwacked
      Hi @Ginger38, By now you know that these things improve without gluten. I once saw an interview with a corporation executive where he proudly declared that his wheat products are more addictive than potato chips. Dr Fuhrman (Eat to Live) said find foods that are friendly to you to be friends with.  
    • cristiana
      Hi @CC90 Ah... that is very interesting.  Although it is very annoying for you to have to go through it all again, I would say that almost sounds like an admission that they didn't look far enough last time?   I could be wrong, but I would not be at all surprised if they find something on the next attempt.  Coeliac damage can be very patchy, as I understand it, so that's why my own gastroenterologist always likes to point out that he's taken lots of samples!  In the kindest possible way (you don't want to upset the person doing the procedure!) I'd be inclined to tell them what happened last time and to ask them in person to take samples lower down, as  if your health system is anything like the one in my country, communication between GPs, consultants and hospitals isn't always very good.  You don't want the same mistake to be made again. You say that your first endoscopy was traumatic?  May I ask, looking at your spelling of coeliac, was this done at an NHS hospital in England?  The reason for the question is that one of my NHS diagnosed friends was not automatically offered a sedative and managed without one.  Inspired by her, I tried to have an endoscopy one time, in a private setting, without one, so that I could recover quicker, but I had to request sedative in the end it was so uncomfortable.    I am sorry that you will have to go through a gluten challenge again but to make things easier, ensure you eat things containing gluten that you will miss should you have to go gluten free one day. 😂 I was told to eat 2 slices of normal wholemeal bread or the equivalent every day in the weeks before , but I also opted for Weetabix and dozens of Penguin chocolate biscuits.  (I had a very tight headache across my temple for days before the procedure, which I thought was interesting as I had that frequently growing up. - must have been a coeliac symptom!)  Anyway, I do hope you soon get the answers you are looking for and do keep us posted. Cristiana  
    • CC90
      Hi Cristiana   Yes I've had the biopsy results showing normal villi and intestinal mucosa.  The repeat endoscopy (requested by the gastro doc) would be to take samples from further into the intestine than the previous endoscopy reached.      
    • Wheatwacked
      Transglutaminase IgA is the gold-standard blood test for celiac disease. Sensitivity of over 90% and specificity of 95–99%. It rarely produces false positives.  An elevated level means your immune system is reacting to gluten.  Non-Celiac Gluten Sensitivity (NCGS) does not typically cause high levels of tTG-IgA. Unfortunately the protocols for a diagnosis of Celiac Disease are aimed at proving you don't have it, leaving you twisting in the wind. Genetic testing and improvement on a trial gluten free diet, also avoiding milk protein, will likely show improvement in short order if it is Celiac; but will that satisfy the medical system for a diagnosis? If you do end up scheduling a repeat endoscopy, be sure to eat up to 10 grams of gluten for 8 - 12 weeks.  You want  to create maximum damage. Not a medical opinion, but my vote is yes.
    • trents
      Cristiana asks a very relevant question. What looks normal to the naked eye may not look normal under the microscope.
×
×
  • Create New...